No-life zone

[code1211]

You started off with a straw man argument. That straw man argument's assessment is incorrect. Sorry, but the rest of your comment is also incorrect, except for the second part that I highlighted.

Please demonstrate by any non-insane logic that our modern world is NOT based on, powered by and sustained by the blessings provided by fossil fuels.

Your first step will be to type using keys made from Fossil Fuels on a computer made from fossil fuels which is powered by fossil fuels.

Are you seriously as devoid of any sort of knowledge, logic, awareness or intelligence as your post here displays?

 

[redbeer]

In this case, "they" seem to be the additional 7 billion people or so that is enjoying the greatest comfort and wealth that ever blessed the human race in the history of this planet.

That enjoyment is the result of one, single cause: the exploitation and wide use of Fossil Fuels.

We have met the enemy and "they" are are us.

Fossil Fuels Have, and Should Continue to Benefit Humanity

Contrary to assertions made in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) most recent report, it’s time to praise and expand the use of fossil fuels, not restrict them.

www.heartland.org

"Fossil fuels are the foundation of modern economies. People who live in countries that regularly use fossil fuels live longer, more prosperous, healthier lives than people living in countries without consistent access to fossil fuels. CCRIIFF shows access to fossil fuels is responsible for more than doubling the average human lifespan, a vast improvement in human health, a steep decrease in poverty, and the huge increase in global food supplies over the past century.

“There is a strong positive relationship between low energy prices and economic prosperity,” the report states, continuing, “Economic prosperity in turn is crucial to human health and welfare.”


"Fossil fuels are the foundation of modern agriculture. Fossil fuels power the tractors and trucks used to plant and harvest crops and deliver them to market; they serve as the feed stock for the chemical pesticides and fertilizers used to grow ever greater amounts of food on increasingly less land; and they power the refrigeration and dry storage units that allow crops to be safely stored for long periods of time without spoiling. In short, fossil fuels make it possible for farmers to feed the planet’s growing population, while allowing nature to reclaim former fields for wildlife habitat.

Fossil fuels are also the bedrock of modern medicine, which has reduced infant mortality and increased lifespans. Contemporary health care depends on sterile plastics made from fossil fuels, including: IV drip bags and tubing, medical machinery, electronics casings, and syringes.

Hospitals, ambulances, operating rooms, emergency rooms, and clinics open 24 hours per day, seven days per week cannot exist, let alone function, without coal, natural gas, and oil. Medical refrigeration units, CT scanning machines, MRIs, X-rays, laser scalpels, ventilators, incubators, and even lights require reliable electric power, which fossil fuels provide overwhelmingly in a more affordable and dependable manner than alternative sources."

 

[jnug]

Please demonstrate by any non-insane logic that our modern world is NOT based on, powered by and sustained by the blessings provided by fossil fuels.

Your first step will be to type using keys made from Fossil Fuels on a computer made from fossil fuels which is powered by fossil fuels.

Are you seriously as devoid of any sort of knowledge, logic, awareness or intelligence as your post here displays?

So what. The term "modern" is misused here as is "blessings". Our contemporary world is currently powered by it. As for blessings, that sounds like we are simply supplicants to fossil fuels. If you want to be a slavish supplicant to something we dig out of the ground....BE MY GUEST. You can split your time being a slavish suppliant to Trump and fossil fuels.

OUR world was once powered by the water wheel, the windmill, wood burning, oxen, horse and mule. Times change. I never saw anything so stuck in the mud as a Rightie trying to make some absurd argument or another.

I pain to point out that nobody is suggesting that we will not be to some degree reliant on fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. Just that we reduce our carbon footprint. Now you can continue your argument bases on a whole bunch of inaccurate characterizations.

 

[code1211]

None the less, the glaciers are melting are they not? I could give a rats behind about 500,000 years ago. I care about whether homo sapiens will be able to habitate this planet 100 years from now.
Earth’s average land and ocean surface temperature in 2021 was 1.51 degrees F (0.84 of a degree C) above the 20th-century average.

It also marked the 45th consecutive year (since 1977) with global temperatures rising above the 20th-century average. The years 2013-2021 all rank among the ten-warmest years on record.

The Northern Hemisphere’s land and ocean surface temperature was also sixth highest on record, at 1.96 degrees F (1.09 degrees C) above average. Looking at the Northern Hemisphere’s land areas only, the temperature was third warmest on record, behind 2016 (second warmest) and 2020 (the warmest).

Ocean heat content which describes the amount of heat stored in the upper-levels of the ocean, was record high in 2021, surpassing the previous record high set in 2020. The seven highest OHCs have occurred in the last seven years (2015-2021). High ocean-heat content can contribute to sea-level rise.

And while we are at it, drought and famine due to CLIMATE CHANGE are on the rise, feeding hunger and migration rates and OH BY THE WAY feeding Putin's desire to conquer Ukraine. Vladimir Putin just loves your resistance to climate change. He appreciates your support.

Still no link?

Climate change is ALWAYS occurring. That is what it does.

Ocean heat STARTED to be measured systematically when the Argo Array of Buoys was deployed in the 21st Century. Before that, the system was pretty much just hearsay, opinion, supposition and guessing.

The instrument record of air temperature started at the coldest point in the Holocene.

The Glaciers melting today only STARTED to form 7000 years ago. Before that, OBVIOUSLY, it was TOO WARM for them to freeze. That warm point was reached after the ice age and before the cooling that followed.

Desertification has been occurring since before recorded history. Ever heard of the Sahara Desert? Shortly before the rise of the Egyptian Dynasties, what was a place similar to the Great Plains became the Sahara Desert.

By all reports, neither King Tut or his ancestors were driving any SUV's powered by Fossil Fuels.

The argument presented by moronic Liberals like Greta Thunberg is that mankind can control and direct the climate of the planet. On its face, this is insanity.

Your propaganda talking points are what they are, but they are not science.

 

[vegas giants]

Still no link?

Climate change is ALWAYS occurring. That is what it does.

Ocean heat STARTED to be measured systematically when the Argo Array of Buoys was deployed in the 21st Century. Before that, the system was pretty much just hearsay, opinion, supposition and guessing.

The instrument record of air temperature started at the coldest point in the Holocene.

The Glaciers melting today only STARTED to form 7000 years ago. Before that, OBVIOUSLY, it was TOO WARM for them to freeze. That warm point was reached after the ice age and before the cooling that followed.

Desertification has been occurring since before recorded history. Ever heard of the Sahara Desert? Shortly before the rise of the Egyptian Dynasties, what was a place similar to the Great Plains became the Sahara Desert.

By all reports, neither King Tut or his ancestors were driving any SUV's powered by Fossil Fuels.

The argument presented by moronic Liberals like Greta Thunberg is that mankind can control and direct the climate of the planet. On its face, this is insanity.

Your propaganda talking points are what they are, but they are not science.

Evidence - NASA Science

Takeaways The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia. Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking...

climate.nasa.gov

 

[jnug]

Still no link?

Climate change is ALWAYS occurring. That is what it does.

Ocean heat STARTED to be measured systematically when the Argo Array of Buoys was deployed in the 21st Century. Before that, the system was pretty much just hearsay, opinion, supposition and guessing.

The instrument record of air temperature started at the coldest point in the Holocene.

The Glaciers melting today only STARTED to form 7000 years ago. Before that, OBVIOUSLY, it was TOO WARM for them to freeze. That warm point was reached after the ice age and before the cooling that followed.

Desertification has been occurring since before recorded history. Ever heard of the Sahara Desert? Shortly before the rise of the Egyptian Dynasties, what was a place similar to the Great Plains became the Sahara Desert.

By all reports, neither King Tut or his ancestors were driving any SUV's powered by Fossil Fuels.

The argument presented by moronic Liberals like Greta Thunberg is that mankind can control and direct the climate of the planet. On its face, this is insanity.

Your propaganda talking points are what they are, but they are not science.

No shit sherlock. Apparently you miss what that says about the relevance of your walk through ancient history.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Climate change is ALWAYS occurring. That is what it does.

You are not grasping the real issues here Code. IMO.

 

[code1211]

Fossil Fuels Have, and Should Continue to Benefit Humanity

Contrary to assertions made in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) most recent report, it’s time to praise and expand the use of fossil fuels, not restrict them.

www.heartland.org

"Fossil fuels are the foundation of modern economies. People who live in countries that regularly use fossil fuels live longer, more prosperous, healthier lives than people living in countries without consistent access to fossil fuels. CCRIIFF shows access to fossil fuels is responsible for more than doubling the average human lifespan, a vast improvement in human health, a steep decrease in poverty, and the huge increase in global food supplies over the past century.

“There is a strong positive relationship between low energy prices and economic prosperity,” the report states, continuing, “Economic prosperity in turn is crucial to human health and welfare.”


"Fossil fuels are the foundation of modern agriculture. Fossil fuels power the tractors and trucks used to plant and harvest crops and deliver them to market; they serve as the feed stock for the chemical pesticides and fertilizers used to grow ever greater amounts of food on increasingly less land; and they power the refrigeration and dry storage units that allow crops to be safely stored for long periods of time without spoiling. In short, fossil fuels make it possible for farmers to feed the planet’s growing population, while allowing nature to reclaim former fields for wildlife habitat.

Fossil fuels are also the bedrock of modern medicine, which has reduced infant mortality and increased lifespans. Contemporary health care depends on sterile plastics made from fossil fuels, including: IV drip bags and tubing, medical machinery, electronics casings, and syringes.

Hospitals, ambulances, operating rooms, emergency rooms, and clinics open 24 hours per day, seven days per week cannot exist, let alone function, without coal, natural gas, and oil. Medical refrigeration units, CT scanning machines, MRIs, X-rays, laser scalpels, ventilators, incubators, and even lights require reliable electric power, which fossil fuels provide overwhelmingly in a more affordable and dependable manner than alternative sources."

Absolutely!

Without fossil fuels, if they were to disappear completely at this moment, the bodies of about 7 billion dead people world wide would be laying in the streets before Christmas.

Government would break down quickly followed by the plagues rising from the rotting flesh of the dead. Those who die in hospitals as their useless life support machines let them slip away will be deemed "The Lucky Ones".

Refrigerated and frozen foods on shelves and in trucks would quickly spoil and rot. Communication would collapse. Distribution of everything would cease.

Without fossil fuels, our modern world of comfort and luxury devolves, IMMEDIATELY, to the Stone Age.

This whole "destroy Big Oil" farce is like the Greens are telling this huge, idiotic Big Lie just to see if other idiots will accept it even though it is so completely stupid on every level.

It's really quite amazing.

 

[code1211]

So what. The term "modern" is misused here as is "blessings". Our contemporary world is currently powered by it. As for blessings, that sounds like we are simply supplicants to fossil fuels. If you want to be a slavish supplicant to something we dig out of the ground....BE MY GUEST. You can split your time being a slavish suppliant to Trump and fossil fuels.

OUR world was once powered by the water wheel, the windmill, wood burning, oxen, horse and mule. Times change. I never saw anything so stuck in the mud as a Rightie trying to make some absurd argument or another.

I pain to point out that nobody is suggesting that we will not be to some degree reliant on fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. Just that we reduce our carbon footprint. Now you can continue your argument bases on a whole bunch of inaccurate characterizations.

Your back peddling is appreciated as it demonstrates that you are not entirely lost.

Fossil Fuels are the foundation and the fundamental structural elements of our civilization.

Without the BLESSINGS provided by fossil fuels, there would be 7 billion dead bodies rotting in the streets around the world within a few short months and the world would be once again in plague ridden Stone Age.

 

[code1211]

No shit sherlock. Apparently you miss what that says about the relevance of your walk through ancient history.

Did a bunch of research to post this response?

 

[redbeer]

Absolutely!

Without fossil fuels, if they were to disappear completely at this moment, the bodies of about 7 billion dead people world wide would be laying in the streets before Christmas.

Government would break down quickly followed by the plagues rising from the rotting flesh of the dead. Those who die in hospitals as their useless life support machines let them slip away will be deemed "The Lucky Ones".

Refrigerated and frozen foods on shelves and in trucks would quickly spoil and rot. Communication would collapse. Distribution of everything would cease.

Without fossil fuels, our modern world of comfort and luxury devolves, IMMEDIATELY, to the Stone Age.

This whole "destroy Big Oil" farce is like the Greens are telling this huge, idiotic Big Lie just to see if other idiots will accept it even though it is so completely stupid on every level.

It's really quite amazing.

Yes, especially when there is no infrastructure in place to replace fossil fuels....it's insane. But the climate cultists could care less, as their far too fast shift would cause war after war, as countries compete to survive. Like Biden and the left pushing for EV's.....where's all this extra electricity going to come from? I can see it now.....millions of over priced electric cars sitting around because of no electricity to charge them....idiots.

All they do is blame everything and everybody else.....lunatics.

 

[code1211]

You are not grasping the real issues here Code. IMO.

Why did you amputate a shred of a thought and post it as if it was a whole thought?

 

[vegas giants]

Absolutely!

Without fossil fuels, if they were to disappear completely at this moment, the bodies of about 7 billion dead people world wide would be laying in the streets before Christmas.

Government would break down quickly followed by the plagues rising from the rotting flesh of the dead. Those who die in hospitals as their useless life support machines let them slip away will be deemed "The Lucky Ones".

Refrigerated and frozen foods on shelves and in trucks would quickly spoil and rot. Communication would collapse. Distribution of everything would cease.

Without fossil fuels, our modern world of comfort and luxury devolves, IMMEDIATELY, to the Stone Age.

This whole "destroy Big Oil" farce is like the Greens are telling this huge, idiotic Big Lie just to see if other idiots will accept it even though it is so completely stupid on every level.

It's really quite amazing.

Maybe we should outlaw all forms of green energy in support of big oil......right?

 

[code1211]

Yes, especially when there is no infrastructure in place to replace fossil fuels....it's insane. But the climate cultists could care less, as their far too fast shift would cause war after war, as countries compete to survive. Like Biden and the left pushing for EV's.....where's all this extra electricity going to come from? I can see it now.....millions of over priced electric cars sitting around because of no electricity to charge them....idiots.

All they do is blame everything and everybody else.....lunatics.

One purpose of "The Big Lie" is to mislead and deceive in order to gain control.

Once control is achieved, the purpose of "The Big Lie" changes into a tool to measure the degree to which control exists.

So: Masks are mandated and the public complies. Until they no longer comply. When the compliance vanishes, AS IT DID, then the demanded, mandated behavior is no longer mandated.

"The Big Lie", very obviously in this case, was that masks do anything that is beneficial. As soon as "The Big Lie" was rejected by the majority, it was dropped by the lying thieves.

Masks, wearing them or burning them, had absolutely no impact on the spread or the mitigation of the virus. It was only a sign of compliance that was easy to see.

The actual lie lied into existence as a part of any "Big Lie" is not important.

"The Big Lie" is intended to seize control or keep control.

Whether "The Big Lie" is "Jews are evil" or "Blacks" are inferior" or "Mankind can control and direct the climate of the planet", "The Big Lie" is the tool used by the liars to control the weak minded.

It's amazing how often and how easily it works. We are fear driven "deers in the headlights" anxious to be panicked by the liars.

 

[redbeer]

One purpose of "The Big Lie" is to mislead and deceive in order to gain control.

Once control is achieved, the purpose of "The Big Lie" changes into a tool to measure the degree to which control exists.

So: Masks are mandated and the public complies. Until they no longer comply. When the compliance vanishes, AS IT DID, then the demanded, mandated behavior is no longer mandated.

"The Big Lie", very obviously in this case, was that masks do anything that is beneficial. As soon as "The Big Lie" was rejected by the majority, it was dropped by the lying thieves.

Masks, wearing them or burning them, had absolutely no impact on the spread or the mitigation of the virus. It was only a sign of compliance that was easy to see.

The actual lie lied into existence as a part of any "Big Lie" is not important.

"The Big Lie" is intended to seize control or keep control.

Whether "The Big Lie" is "Jews are evil" or "Blacks" are inferior" or "Mankind can control and direct the climate of the planet", "The Big Lie" is the tool used by the liars to control the weak minded.

It's amazing how often and how easily it works. We are fear driven "deers in the headlights" anxious to be panicked by the liars.

The crazy part is.....it's not about that they CARE for you or I, or anybody else.....it's all about the money they are going to make. Totally corrupt sons of bitches.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they're trying to turn the only habitable planet into a no-life zone.

Ahhh, you already knew that, you just don't want to worry about it (I don't blame you). I do worry about it, but probably not enough will be done to significantly change course. I've only barely dabbled in post-doom. That's where you try to get past the grief of humanity/society collapsing and move into acceptance.

This thread belongs in the CT subforum.

 

[Antiwar]

This thread belongs in the CT subforum.

So you're politically conservative on the environment, too. You're maybe half-and-half conservative/liberal on culture war issues? Or maybe fully conservative but not quite a T**** supporter?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

So you're politically conservative on the environment, too. You're maybe half-and-half conservative/liberal on culture war issues? Or maybe fully conservative but not quite a T**** supporter?

Silly @Antiwar, my beliefs regarding conservation and global warming have nothing to do with the fact that your premise is cuckoo.

… they're trying to turn the only habitable planet into a no-life zone.

 

[Antiwar]

Silly @Antiwar, my beliefs regarding conservation and global warming have nothing to do with the fact that your premise is cuckoo.

I was driving home from running an errand. I had glanced at your comment prior to that and I was thinking, "Man, how am I going to reply to that strong comment?" I glanced over while at a stoplight and the car next to me has its side curtain airbags deployed, the front end is damaged with the hood folded so it's blocking about half of the view out of the windshield, there's some steam coming from the engine compartment, and the guy's sitting in the driver's seat. Huh? The car in front of him wasn't hit in the back. Is that guy driving home like that after having an accident somewhere else? Sure enough, I see him going down the road with more steam coming out of the engine compartment. At the next stoplight I knew how I'd reply to your comment.

Let me know if you need me to explain any of my commentary to you.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I was driving home from running an errand. I had glanced at your comment prior to that and I was thinking, "Man, how am I going to reply to that strong comment?" I glanced over while at a stoplight and the car next to me has its side curtain airbags deployed, the front end is damaged with the hood folded so it's blocking about half of the view out of the windshield, there's some steam coming from the engine compartment, and the guy's sitting in the driver's seat. Huh? The car in front of him wasn't hit in the back. Is that guy driving home like that after having an accident somewhere else? Sure enough, I see him going down the road with more steam coming out of the engine compartment. At the next stoplight I knew how I'd reply to your comment.

Let me know if you need me to explain any of my commentary to you.

I don’t need to invent any ridiculous story to make the point that you are the one suffering from limited vision.

 

[Antiwar]

I don’t need to invent any ridiculous story to make the point that you are the one suffering from limited vision.

Now that is funny!

My story is completely true. That happened just as I said, today.

 

[noonereal]

I was driving home from running an errand. I had glanced at your comment prior to that and I was thinking, "Man, how am I going to reply to that strong comment?" I glanced over while at a stoplight and the car next to me has its side curtain airbags deployed, the front end is damaged with the hood folded so it's blocking about half of the view out of the windshield, there's some steam coming from the engine compartment, and the guy's sitting in the driver's seat. Huh? The car in front of him wasn't hit in the back. Is that guy driving home like that after having an accident somewhere else? Sure enough, I see him going down the road with more steam coming out of the engine compartment. At the next stoplight I knew how I'd reply to your comment.

Let me know if you need me to explain any of my commentary to you.

Wait, you were on your smartphone as you drove?

You think this is somehow acceptable?

 

[Antiwar]

Wait, you were on your smartphone as you drove?

You think this is somehow acceptable?

"... prior to that ..."

 

[noonereal]

"... prior to that ..."

Kk, sorry.

My bad. Much respect.

 

[code1211]

The crazy part is.....it's not about that they CARE for you or I, or anybody else.....it's all about the money they are going to make. Totally corrupt sons of bitches.

That is the danger with any organization or group or group of organizations that seek to control.

The Hunter Biden lap top Big Lie style of a response by the Legacy Media working in concert with the Social Media "platforms" is a perfect demonstration of the danger of this sort of thing.