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No cushion for the Trump recession: Why this one could be worse than 2008

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No cushion for the Trump recession: Why this one could be worse than 2008

Even a mild downturn could hit Americans harder — the "recovery" from 2008 left too many people on the margins.

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8/25/19
As the corporate media bangs the drum of imminent recession, we need to take a look at how tens of millions of American households that live paycheck to paycheck are situated for another choreographed downturn. It will tell you all you need to know about the predatory nature of late-stage vulture capitalism, over which Donald Trump presides as its orange mascot. What jumps out when you look at the data is just how phony the “longest recovery” has been — the one for which Joe Biden wants to take a victory lap. The stark reality is that in the last decade or so the rich have gotten richer as the rest of the country has sunk deeper and deeper into debt, with little to show for it except rent receipts. As we head into the next downturn, whenever it happens, tens of millions of American families are hanging on the edge of economic oblivion. Thanks to the Trump tax cut, their government will be too much in debt to throw them a lifeline. The $20 trillion in lost American household wealth that came from the unprosecuted theft of household wealth during Wall Street's Great Foreclosure caper had generational consequences that linger and still define many lives today. The Federal Reserve Board's latest "Report on the Economic Well-Being of U.S. Households," released in May, surveyed 11,000 adults. It found that in order to cover an emergency $400 expense, 39 percent of those polled would have to either borrow or sell something to come up with the cash. Many years into this “amazing recovery,” the Federal Reserve found that “across the country, many families continue to experience financial distress and struggle to save for retirement and unexpected expenses." The annual survey found that “many adults were struggling to save for retirement” with one in four with “no retirement savings or pension whatsoever.” Can’t imagine why.

In the years since the Great Recession, student debt has exploded from $500 billion to $1.57 trillion. Non-housing related debt was $2.65 trillion in 2008. By the second quarter of this year it had surpassed $4 trillion. And, in the midst of Trump’s ranting in February about his wall with Mexico, seven million Americans, a record number, fell into that 90-day abyss of being months late with their car payment. See a pattern here? Now we are struggling to hold on to our family car, the same way we were clawing to hold on to our home just a decade ago. Since the 1970s, when wages flatlined as productivity spiked and unions began to shrink, American corporations have been running things by paying off both political parties. In the last few years, as a consequence of this collusion of the comfortable, the economic circumstances of our elected representatives has continued to vastly outpace what’s been happening for everyone else. They appear ready for whatever capitalism has in store for us. As Roll Call reported last year, the “cumulative net worth of senators and House members jumped by one-fifth in the two years before the start of this Congress, outperforming the typical American’s improved fortunes as well as the solid performance of investment markets during that time.” One essential element of keeping the lid on America’s collective anger over decades of declining wages, disappearing benefits and actual decline in our average lifespan, is to cover the ups and downs of the economy as if it were some sort of naturally occurring meteorological phenomenon. But the kinds of market gyrations that promote dislocation and misery for the masses are not the result of gravity or barometric pressure. They are the consequences of decisions driven by an ever-shrinking circle of people and institutions who engineer scarcity — because making a killing is the only way they know how to make a living.

Over the past decade, politicians, corporations, and the 1% have all positioned themselves to comfortably mark time when a recession transfers more wealth out of the bank accounts of the "middle class".

The government bailed corporations and banks out of the 2008/2009 recession. They were considered "too big" to allow to fail. You and I? Not so much.

Thanks to the 2017 tax reform bill, Trump and the GOP have already gifted any 2019/2020 recession relief-funding to the wealthy.
 
Yet making the seriously financially troubled and mismanaged (being as kind and respectful of our congress critters as possible) federal government become the single-payer for providing ever more essential goods/services is being proposed. Maybe it's time to roll back the power and expense of the federal government (controlled by congress critters) rather than seek to expand it.
 
Ah yes - more liberal recession porn.

Better than Viagra!

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Recession, Recession, Recession!!!!!
 
Boy this crap is never ending...... But which one is it now? Recession or Racist? Guess it depends on the day.
Hair on fire busting through glass windows! The anti-Trump folks in a perpetual fit....... :caution:
 
Damn lying economists! And right wing ones at that. Are they all socialists now? WTF?!

:lamo

So true. For much of the Trump base, anything to the left of David Duke is considered a socialist.
 
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On the whole car payment behind thing a large amount of that is the terrible obama era cafe rules that were suppossed to make cars more efficient but instead caused american car makers to dump cars almost entirely and sell only less efficient trucks and suv's since the fuel requirements were set.

What does this have to do with car payments? well it is simple, around 2015-2016 car manufacturors have been making big changes to meet cafe standards, in 2017-2019 they pretty much decided to go all in. In order to achive the fuel economy required for small cars the makers had to go very radical and unprovet yet rediculously expensive in design. so let's say you bought a kia or a vw for 20k, right outside the warranty the engine fails despite massive maintenace, you now need a 4-10k motor replacement on a car you are a long way from paying off.

The same could be said with many new 8 speed transmissions where they are failing at 5-40k miles frequently and cost a fortune. Or the vw vvt that is so complicated and failure prone that you might as well expect to replace an engine every 30-50k miles. When the cost of repairing new vehicles gets close to or exceeds the purchase price people let the banks take them back and they stop paying, I watch it happen all the time, it is one thing to pay 500 a month, but it is another to pay 500 a month but need 10k in repairs on a car that costs 20k new, people are just going to stop paying.


I HAVE WATCHED THE EXPLOSION OF USED CARS SALES, ESPECIALLY FOR TRUCKS, right now dealers are paying high dollar for trade ins because they are having low new vehicle sales and they can push a 10-15 year old truck off the lot faster than they can a 2019 model. Heck I didn't even get into the most rediculous changes, some newer cars cost 800 bucks up to 3k for a headlight burning out, I kid you not they are headlight assemblies with built in computers, watched people get rid of volvos when it costs 2k to replace one headlight because the manufacturors thought it was a good idea to build a dynamic computerized headlight instead of hoping the driver was smart enough to operate them on their own(do we need a new computer on cars to remind people to breath as well?)
 
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Damn lying economists! And right wing ones at that. Are they all socialists now? WTF?!

You're more than welcome to run around, screaming your head off....

How Is the US Economy Doing?

Six Facts That Tell You How the Economy Is Really Doing

1) 164,000 Jobs Added In July 2019 = Strong

2) In Second Quarter 2019, GDP Growth Was 2.1% = Ideal

3) Durable Goods Orders Rose 2% in July 2019 = Good

4) YOY Core Inflation Was 2.0% = At Target

5) In August 2018, Stock Market Came Out of a Six-Month Correction = Healthy

6) When Interest Rates Remain Stable = Healthy

My source: The Balance - Media Bias/Fact Check

"Overall, we rate The Balance Least Biased based on minimal use of loaded language and balanced reporting of financial news. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to excellent sourcing and a clean fact check record."
 
Boy this crap is never ending...... But which one is it now? Recession or Racist? Guess it depends on the day.
Hair on fire busting through glass windows! The anti-Trump folks in a perpetual fit....... :caution:

Racist recession.

Now with more LITERALLY Hitler.

Thanks, Trump.
 
Damn lying economists! And right wing ones at that. Are they all socialists now? WTF?!

Talking heads gotta talk.

And they KNOW what turns liberals on:



"Is that a recession in your pocket, or are you just thinking that Trump is LITERALLY Hitler?"

Oooooooooooooo baby! :shock:
 
Talking heads gotta talk.

And they KNOW what turns liberals on:



"Is that a recession in your pocket, or are you just thinking that Trump is LITERALLY Hitler?"

Oooooooooooooo baby! :shock:


Forbes. Wall street journal. Liberal talking heads now?
 
You're more than welcome to run around, screaming your head off....

How Is the US Economy Doing?

Six Facts That Tell You How the Economy Is Really Doing

1) 164,000 Jobs Added In July 2019 = Strong

2) In Second Quarter 2019, GDP Growth Was 2.1% = Ideal

3) Durable Goods Orders Rose 2% in July 2019 = Good

4) YOY Core Inflation Was 2.0% = At Target

5) In August 2018, Stock Market Came Out of a Six-Month Correction = Healthy

6) When Interest Rates Remain Stable = Healthy

My source: The Balance - Media Bias/Fact Check

"Overall, we rate The Balance Least Biased based on minimal use of loaded language and balanced reporting of financial news. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to excellent sourcing and a clean fact check record."

I guess Forbes, The Wall Street Journal and Fortune magazine are all commie outlets now too then.
 
Forbes. Wall street journal. Liberal talking heads now?

Did I say liberal talking heads?

But you make the mistake of believing liberals aren't conservative.

They are.

Very.

So.

Talking heads gotta talk.

And they know what turns liberals on.

(Reposted for those hard of seeing.)

:)
 
Did I say liberal talking heads?

Talking heads gotta talk.

And they know what turns liberals on.

(Reposted for those hard of seeing.)

:)

So Fox Business is getting liberals all worked up talking about recession now?

How does that help their client party?
 
So Fox Business is getting liberals all worked up talking about recession now?

How does that help their client party?

Any talk of recession gets liberals worked up, yes.

Recession hysteria has been pushed into the mainstream by the plutocracy which controls all media.

That plutocracy tends to skew blue shirt conservative (aka liberal), but also has purple and red-leaning iteration.

All conservative.

They wish the recession discussed on all platforms, so it's being discussed.

It's particularly arousing for liberals due to their pre-existing Trump fetish.

This is being manipulated by the plutocracy due to their hatred of Trump for being off the reservation.

Renegade plutocrats make all plutocrats look bad.

Let me know if you have any further questions.

:)
 
No cushion for the Trump recession: Why this one could be worse than 2008

Even a mild downturn could hit Americans harder — the "recovery" from 2008 left too many people on the margins.

Empty-piggybank-distraught-mony-loss-superannuation-savings.jpg




Over the past decade, politicians, corporations, and the 1% have all positioned themselves to comfortably mark time when a recession transfers more wealth out of the bank accounts of the "middle class".

The government bailed corporations and banks out of the 2008/2009 recession. They were considered "too big" to allow to fail. You and I? Not so much.

Thanks to the 2017 tax reform bill, Trump and the GOP have already gifted any 2019/2020 recession relief-funding to the wealthy.

Keep praying, but I don’t see it due to the economic fundamentals being different for being based on eight years of moribund performance across all investment instruments caused by boneheaded economic policies.

Secondly, America “gets” the China problem. They see China as dangerous as a shooting war but more sinister and understand this fight. The last time their jobs were stolen by Americans, this time it’s different.
 
You're more than welcome to run around, screaming your head off....

How Is the US Economy Doing?

Six Facts That Tell You How the Economy Is Really Doing

1) 164,000 Jobs Added In July 2019 = Strong

Obama had numerous months better than this. You people called 164,000 jobs weak back then.
 
Damn lying economists! And right wing ones at that. Are they all socialists now? WTF?!
Recessions tend to be a part of the normal economic cycle. Some are very minor and some are worse. The real problem is the left pitching a campaign for a recession because they failed in the election, failed in the collusion, obstruction and now appear to be failing in the racism card playing. So the natural thing for them to do is try to push a recession on the country, damn the consequences as long as they can regain the White House and impose socialism on the country.
 
Obama had numerous months better than this. You people called 164,000 jobs weak back then.

Prove I said that...

You can't. You're just shooting **** in the wind hoping it finds the right target.
 
Forbes. Wall street journal. Liberal talking heads now?

They haven’t caught up with the downward revision of jobs by over a half million by their own administration yet.
 
Prove I said that...

You can't. You're just shooting **** in the wind hoping it finds the right target.

You personally? Maybe not....couldn't tell you to be honest.

Conservatives in general? You bet your ass they did. Also noted is that you said 2.1 GDP growth was ideal.....there were a multitude of conservatives that called that anemic growth when it happened during Obama's tenure.

Simple point, you might be asking? That the same or better economic numbers were achieved during the last administration and they were called bad. Now, they are the ideal, even though Trump didn't start out with the worst economic conditions since the Dustbowl, though he is doing his level best to get us back there.
 
Recessions tend to be a part of the normal economic cycle. Some are very minor and some are worse. The real problem is the left pitching a campaign for a recession because they failed in the election, failed in the collusion, obstruction and now appear to be failing in the racism card playing. So the natural thing for them to do is try to push a recession on the country, damn the consequences as long as they can regain the White House and impose socialism on the country.

How are liberals responsible for the global economy's reactions to the Presidents reckless ****ing tweeting?
 
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