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No. It's straight forward history supported by all contemporary historians and the weight of writings throughout history. The idea of a historical conflict between science and religion is something you only ever find lay people arguing about. It's a modern myth that the academic community recognizes as a myth.
I never claimed to be providing the details. Just the important facts.
Yes, it is.
Again...see Origen and the early church fathers who wrote some 1600+ years ago. Medieval theology also stressed symbolic readings as does Judaism (read the Talmud for example), and virtually every theologian of note (Aquinas, Augustine, Calvin, Wesley, etc.)
This is one of those contemporary myths people who don't know any better fall for. Here's a challenge: name the pope and quote him.
You won't be able to because this is another of those myths. In fact if you dig deep enough to find out what the popes actually said on this topic you will find the exact opposite of what you currently think you will find. You will find statements from Pope Leo XIII reaching back to St. Augustine and affirming that there can be no conflict between science and religion and that when we are able to scientifically prove something as true, we must re-examine our theology to incorporate this new knowledge.
Both of these statements are incorrect and misinformed. Literal readings of Genesis are about 100 years old.
Again, another myth you seem to have fallen for, hook, line, and sinker.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-misunderstood-historical-event
Wrong again. These have only been problematic to Fundamentalist Christians, a sect that exists primarily in the southern USA and only in the last 100 years or so. Like previously mentioned, CS Lewis was able to talk about evolution in his incredibly popular work Mere Christianity with the clear assumption that talking about evolution as a fact was non-controversial. Why? Because even though he was writing in the 1940s, he was writing to an English audience and Fundamentalism is a regional (Southern USA) institution.
You are the one attempting to re-write history.
Well, to be fair, it's not really you who are attempting to re-write it, but rather you fell for an already re-written account of history that is filled with myths. Yes, it's disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, and counterfactual to re-write history in that way. Therefore, I encourage you to brush up on your history. Any introductory book to Church History should do; or any good book on the Enlightenment.
I already said I have no interest in taking this up with you, CrabCake. We're done here. If you want to continue to believe that the foundations of Biblical literalism are only 100 years old and if you want to continue to believe that the Catholic church didn't fight against scientific beliefs because they viewed them as contrary to Catholic doctrine, then by all means please proceed. You're laughably wrong, however.
'And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.'
"Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?" [Al-Quran 21:30]
"It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its Rounded course." [Al-Quran 21:33]
"With the power and skill Did We construct The Firmament: For it is We Who create The vastness of Space." [Al-Quran 51:47]
"Man We did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then We placed him As (a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot We made A (foetus) lump; then We Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then We developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, The Best to create!" [Al-Quran 23:12-14]
Does man think that We Cannot assemble his bones? Nay, We are able to put Together in perfect order The very tips of his fingers." [Al-Quran 75:3-4]
In your own link; the one you went through the trouble of looking for and linking us to, your entire claim was debunked. Your own link proved that the Church did not have a hardline literalist view but rather had been having lively and peaceful discussions about matters such as the age of the Earth for centuries. You successfully proved this by linking us to that information.
Somehow now people are supposed to come to the conclusion that despite the fact that: I've shown that the leading theologians throughout history have looked at Genesis as allegorical, you have provided evidence showing that discussions on the age of the Earth were common and non-threatening to the church, and we can directly trace biblical literalism to documents written 100 years ago, and can prove it was (and remains) a regional movement....we should still somehow accept your view of the church being threatened by science. That's even without touching on the fact that your view of history directly contradicts the teachings of all contemporary historians.
The church was never threatened by scientific findings. As you proved yourself by linking us to the information; the church had already been engaged in debates about such matters. The build up of evidence in favor of an Old Earth was not threatening to the church, it simply made them lean towards accepting the views of the theologians who, for centuries, had already been supporting such a view and suggested that those who had taken a young Earth view were probably mistaken. The same goes with every other scientific finding. Heliocentrism was supported by the Jesuits and many other Christian scholars and the mounting evidence that this was the correct view merely led the church to accept those scholar's position over the position of the geocentrics. There was nothing threatening about it. As you already pointed out, all of these matters were widely, openly, and peacefully debated within the Church.
You've failed to bring up a shred of evidence that says otherwise. Instead, you gifted us with a link that disproves your view.
SOME theologians look at it as allegorical. But there is no shortage of young earth creationists among them either.
Martin Luther and John Calvin were openly critical of heliocentrism.
THen of course the Galileo and Pope Urbann VIII issue we all know.
Even after Kepler and Newton Pope Alexander VII condemned helocentrism. It wasn't for 110 years after Galileo that some francisan monks wrote about it in a confirmative way and it was still another 80 years after that before Pope Pius VII allowed it to be formally accepted.
Not quite sure what the quotes have to do with the point. That said, science isn't about disproving or even proving the existence of a deity or deities. It is about showing how things work in the world and a method of discovering such. For theists (except the fundamentalist screwballs), all science does is show us the mechanics the Creator made for the everyday running of the universe.
'And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.'
"Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?" [Al-Quran 21:30]
"It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its Rounded course." [Al-Quran 21:33]
"With the power and skill Did We construct The Firmament: For it is We Who create The vastness of Space." [Al-Quran 51:47]
"Man We did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then We placed him As (a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot We made A (foetus) lump; then We Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then We developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, The Best to create!" [Al-Quran 23:12-14]
Does man think that We Cannot assemble his bones? Nay, We are able to put Together in perfect order The very tips of his fingers." [Al-Quran 75:3-4]
tell it to atheists who worship science!!!!!!!!!!! they ignore all these logical verses and claim scientific facts prove there is no god....
"Logical verses" And 'worship science'?? These sentences are at odds with observed reality.
atheists
tell it to atheists who worship science!!!!!!!!!!! they ignore all these logical verses and claim scientific facts prove there is no god....
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