Nigel Farage resigns again.. will it last?

[coldjoint]

THATS the kind of soaring intellect I come to this site for. Absolutely unparalleled for it's incisive analysis.

There is no bias in your papers, like the Guardian? Maybe you come here to perpetuate propaganda.

 

[joG]

You are right in your general thrust here, believe.

But in the internet world you should have been cognizant of the use of a Nazi reference when others abound, unless you wanted to see Godwin invoked.

Obviously Godwin's rule itself is at least partly in jest, and my reply was playing to that - not your argument itself.

But bringing Nazi comparisons into a discussion (by their very nature) has a way of ending the discussion in a similar vein to invoking moral high-ground.

JMHO here.

That is the tricky bit about invoking Godwin. Sometimes it is smart and sometimes it is no more than a cheap defense tactic when the arguments have run out, which calling people vermin had already demonstrated. Of course the Godwin accusation can be well observed, but sometimes it throws a nasty light on the accuser.

Often enough invoking Naziism is quite valid and should be heeded. Societies are always at risk and always should the citizens be aware that an ill chosen leader can easily misuse poorly constructed laws and institutions as has happened from time to time in democracies. We feel safe, but our present candidates don't make me feel totally confident.

 

[Andalublue]

That is the tricky bit about invoking Godwin. Sometimes it is smart and sometimes it is no more than a cheap defense tactic when the arguments have run out, which calling people vermin had already demonstrated. Of course the Godwin accusation can be well observed, but sometimes it throws a nasty light on the accuser.

Often enough invoking Naziism is quite valid and should be heeded. Societies are always at risk and always should the citizens be aware that an ill chosen leader can easily misuse poorly constructed laws and institutions as has happened from time to time in democracies. We feel safe, but our present candidates don't make me feel totally confident.

I think everyone reading this just sees you digging yourself into and ever-deeper hole of fallacy and failure.

 

[Chagos]

I think everyone reading this just sees you digging yourself into and ever-deeper hole of fallacy and failure.

Where it's truly obvious, it's also not surprising. Not in view of the habitualness of it all being well documented by now.

Anyone being both not prone to it and at the same time bigger than we see here, would by now have simply stated not having had any intention of comparing you to Goebbels and would just as simply have admitted to the own fallacy that led to such a faux pas.

As things stand, all we get is a mindless gish gallop of deflection in the futile attempt of getting one's own butt out of the pile of you-know-what it has created.

Sure fire way of getting on the ignore list when patience finally runs out.

 

[Andalublue]

a mindless gish gallop

There's an expression I haven't heard in a while!

 

[Sweden]

Oh just carry on in cloud cuckoo land. And don't let already announced cuts in public spending, tax increases for all except corporations and the currently reigning political chaos in Westminster deter you from that.

In fact best to not touch a newspaper and you'll be all right.

You are the one in 'cloud cuckoo land' pretending to yourself and to anyone unwise enough to take you seriously that Britain is somehow going to remain in the EU. Dream on.

 

[coldjoint]

Where it's truly obvious, it's also not surprising. Not in view of the habitualness of it all being well documented by now.

Anyone being both not prone to it and at the same time bigger than we see here, would by now have simply stated not having had any intention of comparing you to Goebbels and would just as simply have admitted to the own fallacy that led to such a faux pas.

As things stand, all we get is a mindless gish gallop of deflection in the futile attempt of getting one's own butt out of the pile of you-know-what it has created.

Sure fire way of getting on the ignore list when patience finally runs out.

:lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[American]

Merkel should resign and drowned in a toilet. :lol:

 

[sanman]

Nigel Farage resigns as Ukip leader after 'achieving political ambition' of Brexit | Politics | The Guardian

He done it again.. resigned.. But will he stay resigned, join the Tory party again.. or maybe start a new party? Hell will he retire from the EU parliament!?

I think he should do what he hinted at in his speech, and take his show on the road to other parts of Europe, preaching independence to the other nations of EU. This will boost the negotiating position of all the separating countries and help expedite the dissolution of EU.

 

[joG]

I think everyone reading this just sees you digging yourself into and ever-deeper hole of fallacy and failure.

I realize you think it is fine to call your political adversaries rats and I believe you mean it as a defamation. That is a fascist tool. You do understand that?

 

[joG]

I think he should do what he hinted at in his speech, and take his show on the road to other parts of Europe, preaching independence to the other nations of EU. This will boost the negotiating position of all the separating countries and help expedite the dissolution of EU.

I like your creative approach. Your proposal would be a truly pan-European approach to politics. Something traditional politics never attained.

 

[german hick]

To rely on a biased press, is to rely on a biased press.

LÜGENPRESSE! LÜGENPRESSE! LÜGENPRESSE!

sorry, I´m a farmerboy, this intellectual highground is too much for me.

 

[Andalublue]

I realize you think it is fine to call your political adversaries rats and I believe you mean it as a defamation. That is a fascist tool. You do understand that?

Insulting politicians is a tool used by fascists, true. It's also used by socialists, conservatives, liberals, anarchists, libertarians and social democrats.

 

[Chagos]

You are the one in 'cloud cuckoo land' pretending to yourself and to anyone unwise enough to take you seriously that Britain is somehow going to remain in the EU. Dream on.

Well, seeing how you appear to be either incapable or unwilling to muster up the necessary level of comprehension on the issue in general and what's being said here in particular, there doesn't seem much point in exchanging anything with you any further.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

You are the one in 'cloud cuckoo land' pretending to yourself and to anyone unwise enough to take you seriously that Britain is somehow going to remain in the EU. Dream on.

How do you propose we keep trading with the EU without having to agree the same amount of payment we make now, the free movement of workers we already have now and having to work to EU consumer and product guidelines as we already do now?

 

[Chagos]

How do you propose we keep trading with the EU without having to agree the same amount of payment we make now, the free movement of workers we already have now and having to work to EU consumer and product guidelines as we already do now?

......and let's not forget the rebate falling off the plate.

 

[Andalublue]

How do you propose we keep trading with the EU without having to agree the same amount of payment we make now, the free movement of workers we already have now and having to work to EU consumer and product guidelines as we already do now?

Those arguments always boil down to the, "They need us more than we need them" schtick. I guarantee that our enthusiastic Brexiteer poster with the patriotic username, Sweden will not have any other answer to this.

 

[joG]

LÜGENPRESSE! LÜGENPRESSE! LÜGENPRESSE!

sorry, I´m a farmerboy, this intellectual highground is too much for me.

I doubt that "Lügenpresse" is quite true. Only mostly in countries where the information stations are mostly in public domain. Even in GB they do not quite get the thing evenhanded, though they do try harder than the German system of ÖR.

 

[joG]

Insulting politicians is a tool used by fascists, true. It's also used by socialists, conservatives, liberals, anarchists, libertarians and social democrats.

And you thing that that makes a fascist tool better? I am not saying that calling your political foes rats should be forbidden. I just think that it is a sign of a political way of thinking that should be prevented from gaining any type of power whatsoever.

 

[german hick]

I doubt that "Lügenpresse" is quite true. Only mostly in countries where the information stations are mostly in public domain. Even in GB they do not quite get the thing evenhanded, though they do try harder than the German system of ÖR.

that was meant ironically - I´m quite happy with our ÖR System

 

[joG]

that was ironic - I´m quite happy with our ÖR System

You are? Why even they are trying to correct their evil ways of times past.

 

[german hick]

You are? Why even they are trying to correct their evil ways of times past.

sorry, I don´t know what you mean

you can and should always doubt what you hear, but for me the public system guarantees that the press does not follow the interests of someone like Murdoc

 

[joG]

sorry, I don´t know what you mean

Haven't you noticed the changes? The interview formats have changed etc. They are still a little biased talking of rats leaving the sinking ship this morning, when referring to Farage and Johnson and other rather EU minded reporting. But in general, they are really trying to be less blatant. Why recently DLF actually said that it had been okay for Böhmermann to smear Erdogan the way he did but probably should not have said he screwed goats.

 

[german hick]

Haven't you noticed the changes? The interview formats have changed etc. They are still a little biased talking of rats leaving the sinking ship this morning, when referring to Farage and Johnson and other rather EU minded reporting. But in general, they are really trying to be less blatant. Why recently DLF actually said that it had been okay for Böhmermann to smear Erdogan the way he did but probably should not have said he screwed goats.

the Bömermann story even here a lot of people did not understand - he did say "it would be incorrcet if he uses phrases as.." - and than following the stuff everyone knows. Clearly provocation, but not the way it was published

 

[Andalublue]

And you thing that that makes a fascist tool better? I am not saying that calling your political foes rats should be forbidden. I just think that it is a sign of a political way of thinking that should be prevented from gaining any type of power whatsoever.

Don't make yourself look ridiculous. The roots of Fascism date no further back than the mid-19th century. The history of political insults is as long as the history of human society. The particular insult I used, describing the Brexit leaders as rats leaving a sinking ship, comes originally from a speech in Shakespeare's The Tempest:

In few, they hurried us aboard a bark,
Bore us some leagues to sea; where they prepar'd
A rotten carcass of a boat, not rigg'd,
Nor tackle, sail, nor mast; the very rats
Instinctively had quit it.

So, there you have it. Not remotely a fascist, or indeed a Fascist tool.