nieve americans

[HTColeman]

Hooray, for the #1 vegetable in the world!

 

[HTColeman]

I don't think that fear of getting caught be parents is what keeps some kids from getting fried by drugs. The people that are going to abuse it, are going to whether their parents encourage them to experiment or not. At least that way, they will have a close, open relationship with their parents so they can ask for help. And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like she pushed me to experiment. It was more of a, "if you want to, that's okay" type of thing.

Oh yeah, your mom sounds pretty cool. I doubt she would force you to take drugs.

"STICK THE NEEDLE IN NOW!" doesn't seem like your mom.:mrgreen:

 

[V.I. Lenin]

I love how a heated argument has turned into a peaceful talk about Kelzie's family. Haha, thats human nature for you.

 

[HTColeman]

I love how a heated argument has turned into a peaceful talk about Kelzie's family. Haha, thats human nature for you.

The storm and then the rainbow. Peace, love, and happiness everyone.

 

[V.I. Lenin]

..What....**** YOU!! I HATE RAINBOWS! **** YOU AND YOUR RAINBOW COUNTRY! IT SUCKS! I HATE YOU!!!

:lol:

 

[Kelzie]

..What....**** YOU!! I HATE RAINBOWS! **** YOU AND YOUR RAINBOW COUNTRY! IT SUCKS! I HATE YOU!!!

:lol:

Soo...anyway...back to talking about ME.:mrgreen:

 

[HTColeman]

..What....**** YOU!! I HATE RAINBOWS! **** YOU AND YOUR RAINBOW COUNTRY! IT SUCKS! I HATE YOU!!!

:lol:

Trash my country, trash me, trash my momma, but don't talk about the damn rainbows. You could get killed talking about the rainbows.

 

[cnredd]

Trash my country, trash me, trash my momma, but don't talk about the damn rainbows. You could get killed talking about the rainbows.

I heard they have their own Coalition.....

 

[Uncle Shane]

this proves what i said that not only as your are acting a group, as only liberals have answered. But you have completely missed the point, i wasnt bagging your country, i was bagging YOU!!!
America was also founded by the English Prison Export thingy aswell. It was only cos of the french that you escaped it.
Also i did not make any conclusions. i was merely talking about your style of debating

 

[Kelzie]

this proves what i said that not only as your are acting a group, as only liberals have answered. But you have completely missed the point, i wasnt bagging your country, i was bagging YOU!!!
America was also founded by the English Prison Export thingy aswell. It was only cos of the french that you escaped it.
Also i did not make any conclusions. i was merely talking about your style of debating

Seriously dude, shut up. I like to rag on conservative capitalist pigs as much as the next liberal, but I try not to be ignorant about it. You weren't bagging on our country, you were bagging on us? So what, exactly, makes up our country? Oh yeah, US! And the English Prison Export Thingy? For your info, prisoners made up a very small percentage of people who immigrated to the US. Most of the immigrants were people attracted by dirt cheap land, freedom from persecution, etc. And our style of debating is what exactly? Oh wait, nieve? I hate being a stickler for grammar, but it's driving me nuts. It's NAIVE.

 

[Uncle Shane]

i told you i cant spell
i was bagging those of you on this site
your debating style is without opinion and painfully conformitave but you you cant stick to the point thats what i ment sorry i dident make it clearer
and naive (thank you) is a conclution that ive thought of every time i have talked to americans no jump
but thank you kelzie for actualy constructing an argument insted of making stupid 'Insults'

 

[LaMidRighter]

I believe society is a long, loonngg way from doing these things themselves. And it's hard to measure the efficiency of these programs. For instance, my mom was on food stamps when I was a kid. She was raising two young girls while she went to to college, and wasn't able to work. So she got food stamps for, I don't know, 4 years maybe...Anyway, now she is a geological engineer working for the government, contributing to taxes, and generally being a model citizens. Because we had a decent upbringing (and we were able to eat) both of her daughters are going to college, to also join the workforce. But if you look at the food stamp program, the government lost money on her, because how do you measure the successes?

Sorry to get into this so late because I usually don't respond to posts that are obviously against a group so blindly. I don't think that people who move up from assistance are lost money at all, I guess it's the "capitalist pig" in me, but I believe that when people pick themselves and their families up with a little help it was money well invested, I only feel that money is lost in the instances where people settle for it without even thinking about improving themselves or when they treat it like a lifestyle instead of what it was intended for, temporary relief.

 

[LaMidRighter]

Woohooo! A white person (I'm assuming from the fair complexion) that believes in welfare and food stamps and such! They are hard to find, but be glad when you do.

It's not a white/black thing really HT, most people support temporary welfare from all walks of life, it's only the version we are trying to fix that is the problem, it is too easily abused as it stands.

As many of the older people in my extended family are or were on welfare, I support it. As far as measuring success, while some of them were not able to become well educated, they realized this and raised their children to be 50 times more successful than them, I call that success.

And that is the exact circumstance I back, they needed it, and broke away when possible, but someone succeeded and no longer uses it, that's the point that conservatives try(and fail) to make about where we stand on the topic.

 

[HTColeman]

It's not a white/black thing really HT, most people support temporary welfare from all walks of life, it's only the version we are trying to fix that is the problem, it is too easily abused as it stands.

It is always a white/black thing, everything is centered around race, one way or another. If anyone ever told you differently, they were hiding something from you

And that is the exact circumstance I back, they needed it, and broke away when possible, but someone succeeded and no longer uses it, that's the point that conservatives try(and fail) to make about where we stand on the topic.

I don't know much about the current welfare system, but I here is what I think it should be. We should have a gov't dept. that evaluates those on welfare on a bi-monthly basis or something. Then depending on their age, effort to get a job/education, and dependencies, that should decide how much or how little, if any, money they should get. However, it these factors should not be determined by some computer rule that applies to everyone. When you do this, you ignore special needs, therefore, it should be people who look over these evaluations. People can determine if the person is really in need or just abusing the system.

 

[HTColeman]

I dunno, I'm pretty ****ing white, I mean, I live in Iowa and watch NASCAR for Christ's sake, but I support social welfare, although I believe that it needs to be transferred to the private sector as soon as possible as long as it would still survive.

I was kidding about the blac/white thing, in case ne1 was wondering, but yeah, you are pretty white, but that's okay, I still accept you

Except what about the truly lazy, should we just let them starve?

Yes, I have some pretty lazy people in my family, honestly mooching off of my grandmother who is on fixed income. We made them get out of my grandmother's house. Laziness is a mindset, and when you have no choice, you change that mindset.

 

[HTColeman]

I dunno, I was starving for a long time and still didn't get a different job, I just didn't eat.

But you have a job now, which means you were trying. I admit sometimes people need to step back for a while, but some spend their entire life on welfare for no reason. While some have no choice, others are simply getting on welfare because they just feel like playing dominoes everyday for the rest of their lives.

 

[LaMidRighter]

I don't know much about the current welfare system, but I here is what I think it should be. We should have a gov't dept. that evaluates those on welfare on a bi-monthly basis or something. Then depending on their age, effort to get a job/education, and dependencies, that should decide how much or how little, if any, money they should get. However, it these factors should not be determined by some computer rule that applies to everyone. When you do this, you ignore special needs, therefore, it should be people who look over these evaluations. People can determine if the person is really in need or just abusing the system.

Y'know, I had a similar idea to that one and was discussing it with a mixture of liberal and conservative friends and wholeheartedly agree that a system like that could potentially work, the only concern I have would be if the cost of these monitoring services would outweigh the efficiency produced, but either way on paper that would be the best system.

 

[jamesrage]

Orignally posted by Uncle Shane
hello friends, i do realise that most of you are american and that a spell everything wrong

alike-so:
americans seem to me extreamly nieve arguments about issues turn into war on political positions compleate with slogans and pesidents why is it that you have to classify people and drop the actual issue is it becouse youve run out of slogans or becaouse cant you dont understand the actual issue.

i proobay wort be on for awile feal free to ban me but plz dont deleate the post

Hello Shane,

It amazes me that a someone from a country that was virtually founded as a penal colony can go around and talk some ****.I would be more worried about getting robbed in Australia seeing how every one there is a decended from convicts than getting robbed on the North side of my town.Of couse you have no founding forefathers to be proud of since they were all crimnals,so I understand why someone like you would want to talk ****,jealosy.

 

[Kelzie]

i told you i cant spell
i was bagging those of you on this site
your debating style is without opinion and painfully conformitave but you you cant stick to the point thats what i ment sorry i dident make it clearer
and naive (thank you) is a conclution that ive thought of every time i have talked to americans no jump
but thank you kelzie for actualy constructing an argument insted of making stupid 'Insults'

Since you complemented me (and I'm a sucker for complements), I'll try to be nice.

I have yet to see a person here debate without an opinion. We have threads sometimes about random issues that don't require an opinion, like joke threads, or sometimes threads morph into a different topic, like my family:lol: . In fact, many people are TOO opinionated, in that they don't have anything to back up their opinion.

As for people conforming to a party line. I'm sure it happens. I am a democratic socialist, and I agree with their stances on most of the issues, but not affirmative action. We have republicans here who are pro-choice or pro gay marriage, and democrats who are the opposite (*cough* HTColeman*cough*). I think it's pretty safe to say that if you are looking for a group of conforming Americans, you won't find them here. If you see a pro-life, anti gay marriage republican on this site, chances are he/she is that way because of their morals/personal feelings, not because of their party.

 

[Uncle Shane]

ok sorry i gess i was just dissapointed as i dont understand whats going on hear or more probably i dont understand american politics that and galenrox shits me

 

[vergiss]

Hello Shane,

It amazes me that a someone from a country that was virtually founded as a penal colony can go around and talk some ****.I would be more worried about getting robbed in Australia seeing how every one there is a decended from convicts than getting robbed on the North side of my town.Of couse you have no founding forefathers to be proud of since they were all crimnals,so I understand why someone like you would want to talk ****,jealosy.

I always knew you were a retard. But that just proves it.

Enough with the bloody hypocrisy already. It's all very well and good for him to get what he gave, but I don't appreciate it, so shut the hell up.

Thank you.

 

[HTColeman]

Since you complemented me (and I'm a sucker for complements), I'll try to be nice.

I have yet to see a person here debate without an opinion. We have threads sometimes about random issues that don't require an opinion, like joke threads, or sometimes threads morph into a different topic, like my family:lol: . In fact, many people are TOO opinionated, in that they don't have anything to back up their opinion.

As for people conforming to a party line. I'm sure it happens. I am a democratic socialist, and I agree with their stances on most of the issues, but not affirmative action. We have republicans here who are pro-choice or pro gay marriage, and democrats who are the opposite (*cough* HTColeman*cough*). I think it's pretty safe to say that if you are looking for a group of conforming Americans, you won't find them here. If you see a pro-life, anti gay marriage republican on this site, chances are he/she is that way because of their morals/personal feelings, not because of their party.

Hey! I believe in pro-choice and I really don't care who gets married, I'm not marrying them. I don't believe in abortion, but I don't think it is up to me to decide for them. At least I eat meat (*cough*Kelzie*cough*).

 

[Kelzie]

Hey! I believe in pro-choice and I really don't care who gets married, I'm not marrying them. I don't believe in abortion, but I don't think it is up to me to decide for them. At least I eat meat (*cough*Kelzie*cough*).

Really? I thought you and Nurse got into it because you were against gay marriage. Nevermind than.

And at least I don't eat meat.:2razz:

 

[Kelzie]

I shits you? What's that mean?

Maybe you might want to be a little more careful where you go to the bathroom?

 

[HTColeman]

Really? I thought you and Nurse got into it because you were against gay marriage. Nevermind than.

And at least I don't eat meat.:2razz:

Oh, me and Nurse got into over homosexuality in general, I am Christian and I don't believe in it. But I don't believe in imposing my beliefs on those who don't want to be imposed on. Gay people marrying may go against my religion, but they do not follow my religion, so I can't make a law based on that religion.