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NH: More Free Staters arrested in spat with Feds

DadaOrwell

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Interested to get the debatepolitics take on this:

Manchester, New Hampshire
Feb. 14, 2006

Two New Hampshire Free Staters chose arrest last week rather than allow themselves to be herded into a "Free Speech Zone" while the President was in Manchester. One of the protesters was carrying a sign advocating New Hampshire secession, both were in a non-secure area where civilians were milling around unmolested.

Keene Free Press article/pics:
http://keenefreepress.editme.com/LuncheonPoliceState

Manchester Union Leader article (link is split into two lines):
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Two+arrested+as
+protesters+gather&articleId=ff16795b-bd46-4bc7-bc0d-619d8f8946fc

Free Staters (www.FreeStateProject.org) are libertarian activists who move to New Hampshire from other parts of the country because they consider it the state with the most freedom. About 150 have moved here since 2003, with 7,000 more pledged to follow. So far Federal and Local officials have made a total of nine arrests in response to civil disobedience by Free Staters.
 

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I support the free staters even though i'm not a libertarian. I like the idea of states running their own kinda society. socialists can have their place, libertarians can have theirs, conservatives, progressives etc.
 

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FinnMacCool said:
I support the free staters even though i'm not a libertarian. I like the idea of states running their own kinda society. socialists can have their place, libertarians can have theirs, conservatives, progressives etc.
It'd be a great way to compare policies and see what works and what doesn't.
 

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Kandahar said:
It'd be a great way to compare policies and see what works and what doesn't.
Were woud we debate politics folks go if we new the answers?
 

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As always thanks for the kind words Finn and Kand...

That is such a cool Orwell photo, always makes me sad to see him the guy was just a "kid" when he died.
 

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If any of you want to do something constructive in response to this arrest, I hope you will consider calling Manchester P.D. and/or the Secret Service, as I have done, to complain. They both receive Federal tax dollars, so their behavior is your business.

Manchester PD:

Phone: (603) 668-8711
Fax: (603) 628-6145

Email: ManchesterPD@ci.manchester.nh.us

Secret Service Concord, NH branch (do they really NEED a New Hampshire branch?):
603-626-5631
 

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FinnMacCool said:
I support the free staters even though i'm not a libertarian. I like the idea of states running their own kinda society. socialists can have their place, libertarians can have theirs, conservatives, progressives etc.
This is actually called panarchism, and in reality, medievel Iceland was like that. I think it is good, why should somebody be forced into communism or capitalism? Why can't commies be commies, capitalists be capitalists, and everyone else in between can move to the best town.
 

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I wonder how they'd feel about the fact that our caucasian population is the highest in the states.
 

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DadaOrwell said:
If any of you want to do something constructive in response to this arrest, I hope you will consider calling Manchester P.D. and/or the Secret Service, as I have done, to complain. They both receive Federal tax dollars, so their behavior is your business.

Manchester PD:

Phone: (603) 668-8711
Fax: (603) 628-6145

Email: ManchesterPD@ci.manchester.nh.us

Secret Service Concord, NH branch (do they really NEED a New Hampshire branch?):
603-626-5631

I would hope that we do have branch. Its the bastard other states that want to take away our spot at #1 Primary.
 

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Polish Rob said:
I would hope that we do have branch.
Well I don't like the fed presence here but I will say this for the Secret Service, they have been good about standing up for the right of individuals to trade in silver instead of fed money. And they did promptly call me back regarding my complaint; the agent left me his cell phone number.

However no matter how nice a Federal agent is, they eat up so much cash for so little return. Inside NH we only get 83 cents back for every dollar we send the Feds in taxes, the poor states get a lot more back.
 

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With regard to the fact that most NH is white, that is interesting, it does seem to take a huge issue off the table to some extent. When I have lived out of state it seems like local politics in big cities at least are almost dominated by race issues, with some nasty white anti-liberty cabal running half of a city council and and even nastier array of even more anti-liberty minority councilors, all arguing race-related issues half the time. here at least people are freed up to focus more on issues , which they choose, rather than race, which no one can choose.
 

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From NHfree.com

Manchester, NH
6/2/06

Bearing pitchforks, signs and pistols, twenty-five demonstrators got what they were after Thursday at Manchester District Court.

The City of Manchester decided to drop charges against two libertarian activists its officers arrested in February.

Russell Kanning and Kat Dillon of Keene were carrying anti-Federal signs on Feb. 8 at a bus stop across the street from the Radisson Hotel, where President Bush was later scheduled to speak. Secret Service agents, then Manchester Police, ordered them to move into a nearby "Free Speech Zone" where demonstrators were being herded. They refused and were promptly arrested.

City solicitor Gregg Muller told reporters he dropped the case because he did not have a Secret Service agent he could call to testify against the couple.

Muller, Manchester Police and local Secret Service agents had been the brunt of unhappy phone calls and angry signs since the arrests occurred. Today's demonstrators sported placards reading "All NH is a Free Speech Zone" and sparred verbally with police, who seemed caught off guard by the size of the protest. Two attempted to enter the courthouse with pitchforks and were asked to check them in as weapons. Upon arriving at the security checkpoint, one demonstrator announced that he wished to check a firearm at the entrance, then shocked police by producing four pistols, butt first.

Manchester Police returned three of the weapons, then informed him that one of the guns was "suspicious" and called the ATF to report him. They then returned the fourth weapon.

As for Dillon and Kanning, they have returned home and say they are invigorated by the experience. But Dillon says she has at least one gripe:

"No one apologized to us about the arrest."

Sources:

Union Leader: http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/kat_rus.pdf

NHfree.com forum discussion:
http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=670f13e36f6de0656b725827076a587b&topic=3063.315
 

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wouldn't you consider "free speech zones" to be a sort of "infringement" on the people's right to peacably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances?
 
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