News from Shanghai?

[Torus34]

The Covid-19 virus 'lockdown' in Shanghai is now over a month old. Here in the United States of America, we're seeing preventive measures decreasing and folks trying out the 'business as usual' lifestyle again.

So ... this poor old country mouse wonders whether Shanghai is experiencing a new and more virulent strain of the virus.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

 

[Noodlegawd]

The Covid-19 virus 'lockdown' in Shanghai is now over a month old. Here in the United States of America, we're seeing preventive measures decreasing and folks trying out the 'business as usual' lifestyle again.

So ... this poor old country mouse wonders whether Shanghai is experiencing a new and more virulent strain of the virus.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

Other than wearing masks on airplanes, and a few other moderate precautions, most of the country has been "business as usual" for pretty much the last year.

 

[Chomsky]

The Covid-19 virus 'lockdown' in Shanghai is now over a month old. Here in the United States of America, we're seeing preventive measures decreasing and folks trying out the 'business as usual' lifestyle again.

So ... this poor old country mouse wonders whether Shanghai is experiencing a new and more virulent strain of the virus.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

I wondered the same, my friend.

But at this point, I'm thinking this is probably Xi's obsession with 'Zero Covid Tolerance'.

 

[Chomsky]

Other than wearing masks on airplanes, and a few other moderate precautions, most of the country has been "business as usual" for pretty much the last year.

My understanding is Shanghai is on lockdown, though.

 

[Lursa]

My manager's father is there, locked down. She talks with him daily and the people are suffering. The govt is barely providing food and it's like corn and bread, no meat. They are rounding up sick (or just positive) people, often elderly, and putting them in "facilities".

But according to her father, as far as he knows, it's not a more virulent strain. He is a highly educated man as well but I forget what she said he did.

 

[soylentgreen]

The chinese have not bothered to vaccinate in the same way other countries have. Vaccination for needed workers but elderly and children not so much. As well as questions as to efficiency of the chinese vaccine.

https://apnews.com/article/china-ga...-coronavirus-675bcb6b5710c7329823148ffbff6ef9

China’s top disease control official, in a rare acknowledgement, said current vaccines offer low protection against the coronavirus and mixing them is among strategies being considered to boost their effectiveness.

China has distributed hundreds of millions of doses of domestically made vaccines abroad and is relying on them for its own mass immunization campaign.

But the director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Gao Fu, said at a conference Saturday their efficacy rates needed improving.

 

[Torus34]

I wondered the same, my friend.

But at this point, I'm thinking this is probably Xi's obsession with 'Zero Covid Tolerance'.

Hi, Chomsky.

China remains a picture puzzle with a lot of the pieces missing. I hope your take on it is correct. Sure beats mine in terms of the progress of the disease.

Regards, best to you and yours.

 

[Mongidig]

Poor little guy/girl

 

[ChickenTendies]

I wondered the same, my friend.

But at this point, I'm thinking this is probably Xi's obsession with 'Zero Covid Tolerance'.

Its because the authorities in Shanghai did not remain vigilant in detecting cases, so when the cases started spiking they panicked and locked everything down. There were signs that Zero Covid was going to be relaxed in order to increase growth, but after this fiasco they're probably back to square one.

 

[CaughtInThe]

How the **** can that be???? COVID is only a East Coast, Democratic big city problem...

The FACTS of COVID are that it is an East Coast problem in Democrat strongholds

Mainstream media doesn't want you you to know these facts. The four states with the highest death toll per million of population are New York with 8.4 million people, Massachusetts with 7 million people, New Jersey with 9 million people and Connecticut with 3.6 million people for a total of 29...

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[Allan]

The Covid-19 virus 'lockdown' in Shanghai is now over a month old. Here in the United States of America, we're seeing preventive measures decreasing and folks trying out the 'business as usual' lifestyle again.

So ... this poor old country mouse wonders whether Shanghai is experiencing a new and more virulent strain of the virus.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

Chinese authorities are big-time control freaks. They think they can control a rapidly evolving virus that is endemic in their population. It's not really to protect their people, but to shield Xi's ego as he's staked his personal reputation to eliminating the disease from China. This could be the thing that unseats him.

 

[phoenix2020]

China's reaction to COVID has been bizarre as of late. In the early days they seemed to be making all the right moves: hard-quarantining, rapidly scaling up treatment centers, massive investment in contact tracing, massive scale-up of preventative measures like sanitizer and masks. The results showed; after the initial spike, China opened back up relatively quickly. I feel like I spent a good portion of the latter half of 2020 working from home, unable to get anything done in the US because most businesses were shut down, while my Chinese colleagues were up and running as though nothing had changed.

Now it seems as though the situation as flipped; China seems to be hewing hard to a zero-COVID policy that isn't pragmatic and doesn't make sense, and for a country led by a government whose decision-makers are largely selected from the ranks of engineers, scientists and economists (compared to ours, which are mostly lawyers and media personalities) this kind of decision-making is very out of character.

Well, might as well take advantage of it while we can!

 

[Chomsky]

China's reaction to COVID has been bizarre as of late. In the early days they seemed to be making all the right moves: hard-quarantining, rapidly scaling up treatment centers, massive investment in contact tracing, massive scale-up of preventative measures like sanitizer and masks. The results showed; after the initial spike, China opened back up relatively quickly. I feel like I spent a good portion of the latter half of 2020 working from home, unable to get anything done in the US because most businesses were shut down, while my Chinese colleagues were up and running as though nothing had changed.

Now it seems as though the situation as flipped; China seems to be hewing hard to a zero-COVID policy that isn't pragmatic and doesn't make sense, and for a country led by a government whose decision-makers are largely selected from the ranks of engineers, scientists and economists (compared to ours, which are mostly lawyers and media personalities) this kind of decision-making is very out of character.

Well, might as well take advantage of it while we can!

I think this is a perceptive post.

I've noticed the same as yourself.

 

[Torus34]

Chinese authorities are big-time control freaks. They think they can control a rapidly evolving virus that is endemic in their population. It's not really to protect their people, but to shield Xi's ego as he's staked his personal reputation to eliminating the disease from China. This could be the thing that unseats him.

Hi, Allan.

Thank you for taking time to post a response. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The chinese have not bothered to vaccinate in the same way other countries have.

Really?

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For some reason I am under the impression that 88.6% (for single doses [vs the US 77.4%]) and 86.3% (for full vaccination [vs the US 66%]) sort of qualified as not doing all that badly.

Vaccination for needed workers but elderly and children not so much. As well as questions as to efficiency of the chinese vaccine.

https://apnews.com/article/china-ga...-coronavirus-675bcb6b5710c7329823148ffbff6ef9

Now why would any one worry about the efficiency of the Chinese vaccine when evrewunknoz that vaccines don't work at all? If you don't believe me on that, just ask any member of "Claque Failed Casino Operator".

 

[soylentgreen]

Really?

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For some reason I am under the impression that 88.6% (for single doses [vs the US 77.4%]) and 86.3% (for full vaccination [vs the US 66%]) sort of qualified as not doing all that badly.

Now why would any one worry about the efficiency of the Chinese vaccine when evrewunknoz that vaccines don't work at all? If you don't believe me on that, just ask any member of "Claque Failed Casino Operator".

Right ! So when the chinese tell everyone they have no interest in building army base in the pacific no one believes them. But on this you do believe what they say? Seems a shaky premise they have nearly all been fully vaccinated and yet still they need to shut down cities because of the way the disease spreads. Funny that in other countries with similar rates of vaccine are opening up.

More to the point why would anyone bother to listen to the crap anti vaccers talk.

 

[Cardinal]

As I understand it, China’s problem was pride. They insisted on a homegrown vaccine that wasn’t as effective. And why? To save face.

“The wait, many analysts believe, is for a local company to come up with its own mRNA vaccine. Since the start of the pandemic, Xi’s government has touted self-reliance in fighting Covid, promoting domestic vaccines based on inactivated versions of the virus and barring all foreign ones from the market. Slightly more than 88% of China’s 1.4 billion people have received two doses of those shots.

Opening up to foreign-made mRNA shots risks embarrassing Xi and other officials, says Allison Hills, senior consultant in London with Eradigm Consulting, which advises biotech and pharmaceutical clients. “For them to say now we are accepting BioNTech,” she says, “it’s tantamount to saying ours are not as good.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...uation-worsened-by-lack-of-local-mrna-vaccine

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Right ! So when the chinese tell everyone they have no interest in building army base in the pacific no one believes them. But on this you do believe what they say?

I believe that the Chinese will say whatever makes the Chinese government look good.

I also believe that the Chinese government actually has more than two people who have IQs higher than 50 in it.

Seems a shaky premise they have nearly all been fully vaccinated and yet still they need to shut down cities because of the way the disease spreads.

For some reason you appear to believe that "Vaccination TOTALLY PREVENTS disease.". Why would you believe in something that not a single, rational, person would believe (or say, for that matter).

Vaccination LOWERS THE CHANCE of catching a disease. Quarantine also LOWERS THE CHANCE of catching a disease.

To show how that works, think of it like a barrel of water that can hold 20 gallons of water and into which 2 gallons of water per minute is flowing (the flow cannot be stopped for 30 minutes), but which, at present, contains 10 gallons of water. You have two scoops, each of which can hold 1.5 gallons of water, but you can only use each scoop once per minute.

• If you do nothing, the barrel will overflow in 5 minutes.
• If you use only one scoop, the barrel will overflow in 20 minutes.
• Now, if you use both scoops, how long will it take for the barrel to overflow?

Funny that in other countries with similar rates of vaccine are opening up.
What's so "funny" about other countries with similar rates of vaccination "opening up" IF they have similar rates of new infections?

You do realize that the COVID-19 virus is mutating, don't you?

More to the point why would anyone bother to listen to the crap anti vaccers talk.

It's called "Know what the other guy is thinking.".

 

[mrjurrs]

The Covid-19 virus 'lockdown' in Shanghai is now over a month old. Here in the United States of America, we're seeing preventive measures decreasing and folks trying out the 'business as usual' lifestyle again.

So ... this poor old country mouse wonders whether Shanghai is experiencing a new and more virulent strain of the virus.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

Don't know about the strain, but this sure puts Americans whining about masks in perspective.

 

[Torus34]

Don't know about the strain, but this sure puts Americans whining about masks in perspective.

Hi, mrjurrs.

Let's just say that some members of the species h. sapiens are better at prioritizing things of concern than others.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.