New Zealand cancer treatment waiting list reaches 3 months or more

[aociswundumho]

Cancer sufferers in south wait three months or more for treatment

At 118, the current radiation oncology waitlist is higher than it has historically been.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Southern cancer treatment waiting times are creeping back up towards three months or more, prompting the Cancer Society to write to the district health board to plead for urgent action to help affected patients.
...

Cancer Society Otago-Southland division acting chief executive Bob King said the numbers were sobering and had been getting steadily worse.

"When waiting times get worse that creates enormous anxiety for the clients we are working with, and we have asked for direction from the DHB about what is being done to address these waiting times."

This is a tiny, high tax, homogeneous country of about 5 million people, and even they can't make commie healthcare work.

 

[Grand Mal]

Cancer sufferers in south wait three months or more for treatment

At 118, the current radiation oncology waitlist is higher than it has historically been.

www.nzherald.co.nz

This is a tiny, high tax, homogeneous country of about 5 million people, and even they can't make commie healthcare work.

And apparently 'commie' education doesn't work where you are.

 

[aociswundumho]

And apparently 'commie' education doesn't work where you are.

You're right, it doesn't:

Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Can't Read

According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are "functionally illiterate."

detroit.cbslocal.com

13 Baltimore high schools, no students proficient in math, report says

One-third of High Schools in Baltimore had zero students proficient in math last year and only 14 schools had students proficient in the subject, new state testing data revealed.

www.foxnews.com

Like all socialism, the players learn how to effectively milk the taxpayer:

 

[Grand Mal]

You're right, it doesn't:

Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Can't Read

According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are "functionally illiterate."

detroit.cbslocal.com

13 Baltimore high schools, no students proficient in math, report says

One-third of High Schools in Baltimore had zero students proficient in math last year and only 14 schools had students proficient in the subject, new state testing data revealed.

www.foxnews.com

Like all socialism, the players learn how to effectively milk the taxpayer:

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Works great elsewhere though. Finland, Singapore, Japan, just because you can't do something doesn't mean it can't be done.
Also, those other places teach what communism and socialism actually mean, not what the guy across the table in the lunchroom says they mean.

 

[Allan]

Cancer sufferers in south wait three months or more for treatment

At 118, the current radiation oncology waitlist is higher than it has historically been.

www.nzherald.co.nz

This is a tiny, high tax, homogeneous country of about 5 million people, and even they can't make commie healthcare work.

WHO quality of healthcare by country ranking:
US 35
NZ 38

 

[aociswundumho]

Works great elsewhere though.

Compared to what? That's like saying the drug war "works great" because no country has a free market in drugs.

Finland, Singapore, Japan, just because you can't do something doesn't mean it can't be done.

Socialism has always worked best in homogeneous countries, because people are more willing to make sacrifices for others who look and think like themselves.

Also, those other places teach what communism and socialism actually mean, not what the guy across the table in the lunchroom says they mean.

Socialism is public ownership/control of the means of production.

 

[soylentgreen]

Cancer sufferers in south wait three months or more for treatment

At 118, the current radiation oncology waitlist is higher than it has historically been.

www.nzherald.co.nz

This is a tiny, high tax, homogeneous country of about 5 million people, and even they can't make commie healthcare work.

Yeah! Let's try some facts here.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/res...-a-statistical-comparison-of-new-zealand-with

• New Zealand’s level of tax is less than the OECD average (as a percentage of GDP) but higher than some of the country groupings considered in this paper. High taxes in “Other Western Europe” push up the OECD average.
• A higher proportion of New Zealand’s income tax is charged on personal (rather than corporate) income than is the case in all OECD countries but one.
• New Zealand’s tax rates on personal income are relatively low. Its top marginal tax rate is the lowest in the OECD. The top rate applying to the average worker is the 13th lowest out of 29. The total tax paid by the average worker as a percentage of his/her total wages is the 9th lowest.
• Personal income taxes in New Zealand are more neutral among different groups of people than is the case with many OECD countries. The tax system is less likely to favour people on lower incomes at the expense of those on higher incomes, nor married couples with children at the expense of single people.

But you are correct about the inability to perform miracles with the cost of running a society.
By the way I should point out that the health sector of the government is run as an SOE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_New_Zealand

The function of SOEs is to operate successfully as a business, as profitable as those not owned by the Crown. The section of the Act defining this is usually interpreted as meaning that SOEs are expected to ready themselves for privatisation, though this is not always the case.

Your commie hospital is run as a capitalist enterprise.
So what you have pointed out is that a capitalist run health system does not work.

 

[Allan]

Cancer survival outcome rankings and rates by country (lower number is better):
US 64.7
NZ 63.4

Heart disease mortality ranking by country (higher number is better):
US 1
NZ 27

 

[soylentgreen]

Socialism is public ownership/control of the means of production.

Your guilty of trying to turn socialism into a religion.

Your observation that socialism is public ownership/control of the means of production, is not something you can use as if it was a commandment that cannot be broken. It is part of an ideology and the good thing about ideologies is the ones that do some good are always changing to meet the changing and dynamic ways of nature and humans.
If you can come up with a really good reason why a socialist style government cannot use capitalist systems you might have a point. But to point out that a system run as a private business is run is failing your probably not making the point you wanted to.

 

[Antiwar]

Aochasthebestplatform gets one thing right: anti-war. That might be better than liberals that aren't anti-war.

 

[Antiwar]

Your guilty of trying to turn socialism into a religion.

Your observation that socialism is public ownership/control of the means of production, is not something you can use as if it was a commandment that cannot be broken. It is part of an ideology and the good thing about ideologies is the ones that do some good are always changing to meet the changing and dynamic ways of nature and humans.
If you can come up with a really good reason why a socialist style government cannot use capitalist systems you might have a point. But to point out that a system run as a private business is run is failing your probably not making the point you wanted to.

Aochasthebestplatform now knows that the US economy is a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

 

[Grand Mal]

Compared to what? That's like saying the drug war "works great" because no country has a free market in drugs.



Socialism has always worked best in homogeneous countries, because people are more willing to make sacrifices for others who look and think like themselves.



Socialism is public ownership/control of the means of production.

For whatever reasons, other countries do public education well, which obviously means public education can be done well. Canada is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world- 20%, one fifth, of Canadians were born elsewhere- and public education works well here.

Programme for International Student Assessment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If you know what socialism means, tell me what commie education is.

 

[soylentgreen]

Aochasthebestplatform now knows that the US economy is a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

All economies are. But we do it better than you.
And americans have a love affair with the notion of individualism which is not very compatible with socialist ideology.

 

[Antiwar]

All economies are. But we do it better than you.
And americans have a love affair with the notion of individualism which is not very compatible with socialist ideology.

American socialism allows people like AOCHASTHEBESTPLATFORM to be capitalists.

 

[aociswundumho]

And americans have a love affair with the notion of individualism which is not very compatible with socialist ideology.

Yay, you finally got something right.

 

[Antiwar]

Yay, you finally got something right.

You're a filthy communist.

 

[aociswundumho]

For whatever reasons, other countries do public education well, which obviously means public education can be done well.

Compared to what? People are forced by law to pay for government-run schools, which severely harms the market for private schools. However they are not forced to pay for college, and guess what, all of the top universities in the world are private.

Canada is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world- 20%, one fifth, of Canadians were born elsewhere- and public education works well here.

Here's a chart regarding Canada's demographics. Looks like it's over 90% white to me:

 

[aociswundumho]

Your guilty of trying to turn socialism into a religion.

Your observation that socialism is public ownership/control of the means of production, is not something you can use as if it was a commandment that cannot be broken.

Perhaps, but that's what the word means.

It is part of an ideology and the good thing about ideologies is the ones that do some good are always changing to meet the changing and dynamic ways of nature and humans.
If you can come up with a really good reason why a socialist style government cannot use capitalist systems you might have a point. But to point out that a system run as a private business is run is failing your probably not making the point you wanted to.

Every government has to allow some capitalism - otherwise everybody starves. Even Lenin, one of the most hate-filled commies that ever existed, allowed some capitalism in the USSR.

 

[Grand Mal]

Compared to what? People are forced by law to pay for government-run schools, which severely harms the market for private schools. However they are not forced to pay for college, and guess what, all of the top universities in the world are private.



Here's a chart regarding Canada's demographics. Looks like it's over 90% white to me:

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Which countries high on the list don't have publicly funded grade schools? That's nearly universal in developed countries. Are you saying you would rather the government didn't fund education from taxes? Should grade schools all be private? Me, it's been a long time since I had school age kids and I'm happy to have my taxes fund education for families around me. It's part of being in a community.
Where's that chart from? How is "Canadian" an ethnic origin? And why does ethnic mean race? Someone born and raised in Poland who comes to Canada is ethnic diversity, no matter how white they are. You guys can see a black customs officer who's family has been American for 10 generations interviewing a Czech immigrant at the airport and think the black American represents diversity.

 

[aociswundumho]

Which countries high on the list don't have publicly funded grade schools? That's nearly universal in developed countries. Are you saying you would rather the government didn't fund education from taxes? Should grade schools all be private?

Yes to both of course.

Me, it's been a long time since I had school age kids and I'm happy to have my taxes fund education for families around me. It's part of being in a community.

No, it's the opposite of being in a community because the money is taken from people by force. I would agree if they all chipped in voluntarily.

Where's that chart from? How is "Canadian" an ethnic origin? And why does ethnic mean race? Someone born and raised in Poland who comes to Canada is ethnic diversity, no matter how white they are. You guys can see a black customs officer who's family has been American for 10 generations interviewing a Czech immigrant at the airport and think the black American represents diversity.

Sorry, I forgot to post the link. It's about half way down the page:

Demographics of Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Grand Mal]

Yes to both of course.



No, it's the opposite of being in a community because the money is taken from people by force. I would agree if they all chipped in voluntarily.



Sorry, I forgot to post the link. It's about half way down the page:

Demographics of Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So in 2016 22% of Canadians were called visible minorities. Probably over 25% today. Is that your measure of ethnic diversity? Do you think that Africa is ethnically homogenous because everyone is black?
If chipping in to educate the children isn't part of what a community does, then there can be nothing communal in your meaning of community.

 

[Lovebug]

Oh the outrage over something that may, or may not, be so.

 

[soylentgreen]

American socialism allows people like AOCHASTHEBESTPLATFORM to be capitalists.

I have the strong feeling that your views on both socialism and capitalism are not the same as mine.

 

[soylentgreen]

Yay, you finally got something right.

Or to the right.

So now all we have to do is convince you that left wing ideology of individualism is better than the rights version.

 

[aociswundumho]

Or to the right.

So now all we have to do is convince you that left wing ideology of individualism is better than the rights version.

There is no "left wing ideology of individualism". Collectivism is a core value of the political left; they despise the individual and only think in terms of groups.