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New York to Refund Same Sex Estate Taxes

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Same-sex spouses forced to pay high New York estate taxes upon the death of their partner will get refunds from the state.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Tuesday that the refunds are being issued as a result of the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision that struck down part of the Defense of Marriage Act, also known as DOMA.

In declaring the section unconstitutional, the court granted gay couples the same rights to assets and lower tax costs under estate tax laws that are provided to couples in traditional marriages. Same-sex spouses may have been required to pay thousands of dollars more in New York estate taxes when their partner died.


New York To Refund Gay Couples Forced To Pay Estate Taxes
NY to refund estate taxes paid by gay couples before US Supreme Court same-sex marriage ruling - The Washington Post << Second link available for those afraid to catch the HuffPo cooties.

Way to go New York!
 

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Good for New York.

The estate tax issue is just one example of where bigotry by evangelicals had real life impact for same sex couples. They may talk all the time about their personal beliefs but ultimately...they are messing with peoples lives.
 

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Awesome!

Wonder if conservatives will complain, I mean, we're talking about lowering taxes here........but for gay people. What a quandary for them :lol:
 

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Good for New York.

The estate tax issue is just one example of where bigotry by evangelicals had real life impact for same sex couples. They may talk all the time about their personal beliefs but ultimately...they are messing with peoples lives.

Awesome--hope they pay for it by cuts in Medicaid.
 

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Awesome--hope they pay for it by cuts in Medicaid.

So when you lower taxes for gay people we have to pay for it. But not for the 1%, interesting :lol:
 

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Shouldn't they just not have the ridiculously high estate tax in the first place? Married folk wrote so much BS into laws to subsidize their habits and property through everyone else, we should end it all. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 

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This is the correct move, but I have to say it seems like a big to-do about very little. Does anyone have any figures on just how many people and how much money this involves? I can't imagine that between June 2011 when NY passed its SSM law and June 2013 when the SC overturn DOMA that thousands of gays married and died and paid gazillions in taxes. And if NY is going to honor SSMs that took place before NY made them legal themselves, if I was a NY taxpayer myself I might be pretty ticked that Andrew Cuomo is using my tax dollars to further his ambitions for the White House.
 

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So when you lower taxes for gay people we have to pay for it. But not for the 1%, interesting :lol:

you are not lowering you are doing an unbudgeted refund.
 

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Supporting same sex inheritance tax breaks- I support that 125%... glad we agree.... :2wave:

Just as long as you cut another progressive program to pay for yet another liberal subsidy to the top 1%
 

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Just as long as you cut another progressive program to pay for yet another liberal subsidy to the top 1%

LOL... one drum is all you got but you do beat it well.... I see your POV, to a conservative, equal treatment under the law is a progressive concept... :peace
 

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LOL... one drum is all you got but you do beat it well.... I see your POV, to a conservative, equal treatment under the law is a progressive concept... :peace

No, I see you do not understand who benefits from the estate tax reductions the most--the top 1%.
 

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No, I see you do not understand who benefits from the estate tax reductions the most--the top 1%.

Well until the laws are changed so ALL in the top 1% pay the same rate as a wage earner does I still say equal treatment under the law- which apparently is really a progressive concept. (you seem fixated on the 'conservative' whine that progressives should hate the top 1% so much we want to hurt any part we can, even if it unequal) (I'd say we should hate them all equally... :lol: )
 

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This is the correct move, but I have to say it seems like a big to-do about very little. Does anyone have any figures on just how many people and how much money this involves? I can't imagine that between June 2011 when NY passed its SSM law and June 2013 when the SC overturn DOMA that thousands of gays married and died and paid gazillions in taxes. And if NY is going to honor SSMs that took place before NY made them legal themselves, if I was a NY taxpayer myself I might be pretty ticked that Andrew Cuomo is using my tax dollars to further his ambitions for the White House.

That's what I was thinking. Homosexuals have only been allowed to marry since 2011 there, so how many homosexuals would have married and died? It's easy to be magnanimous and some nice press over it when it doesn't really cost you anything. :) Smart for New York. Frankly, they should have been doing the right thing on state property taxes, all along. They made homosexual marriages legal marriages, so they should have sorted out their state taxes as part of that. They should be getting slapped around a bit because they didn't.
 

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What did DOMA have to do with NY State taxes?

Exactly. That's what I was wondering. This all seems very strange - like a stupid publicity stunt.
 

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Exactly. That's what I was wondering. This all seems very strange - like a stupid publicity stunt.

Yep, publicity stunt. DOMA affected federal taxs and other beneifits. It had no impact on state taxs. So, effectively why and when NEw York decided to reverse it's position on the estate tax for homosexual couples had nothing to do with DOMA, in reality.
 

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Exactly. That's what I was wondering. This all seems very strange - like a stupid publicity stunt.

I was wondering how long it would take the dedicated to find something to hang their hate on, and this one takes the cake - "It doesn't affect anyone, so it's bad"
 

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I was wondering how long it would take the dedicated to find something to hang their hate on, and this one takes the cake - "It doesn't affect anyone, so it's bad"

You don't seem to grasp the concept. Let me break it down for you. I'll try to use small words so you can understand this time. The taxes they say they are "refunding" are STATE taxes for inheritance. DOMA has nothing to do with it. Their state law made homosexual marriage legal so if they weren't treating homosexual couples just like everyone else, that was bad on them. If this schtick of theirs even applies to a to anyone. It's not so much a "bad" thing as it is a stupid thing.

If you still don't get it, then I'll just have to assume you don't want to.
 

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You don't seem to grasp the concept. Let me break it down for you. I'll try to use small words so you can understand this time. The taxes they say they are "refunding" are STATE taxes for inheritance. DOMA has nothing to do with it. Their state law made homosexual marriage legal so if they weren't treating homosexual couples just like everyone else, that was bad on them. If this schtick of theirs even applies to a to anyone. It's not so much a "bad" thing as it is a stupid thing.

If you still don't get it, then I'll just have to assume you don't want to.

I got it - It's stupid because it doesn't apply to or affect anyone.
 

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I got it - It's stupid because it doesn't apply to or affect anyone.

Almost. It's stupid because if they ever taxed homosexuals married under their laws different than anyone else it's because they had their head up their asses, not because of federal law. It's an admission of stupidity.
 

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Almost. It's stupid because if they ever taxed homosexuals married under their laws different than anyone else it's because they had their head up their asses, not because of federal law. It's an admission of stupidity.

Yes, it is stupid to not tax the homosexuals because it was stupid to tax the homosexuals

Got it!
 

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Yes, it is stupid to not tax the homosexuals because it was stupid to tax the homosexuals

Got it!

Nevermind. I should have known better than to interfere with your bliss. :)
 
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