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New York Times Says Herd Immunity Now Possible

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You just can't help but laugh at liberals (including the NYT's) who constantly attack the far right conspiracy theory of herd immunity and now they have to eat crow. Well, I'll at least give them some credit for eating crow. Any lefties on DP willing to eat crow? Or are you going to remain fact deniers?



What if '''Herd Immunity''' Is Closer Than Scientists Thought?
 

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I think everyone agrees "herd immunity" is a thing.

There just some viruses, like the common cold, who don't care about immunity.
 

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You just can't help but laugh at liberals (including the NYT's) who constantly attack the far right conspiracy theory of herd immunity and now they have to eat crow. Well, I'll at least give them some credit for eating crow. Any lefties on DP willing to eat crow? Or are you going to remain fact deniers?



What if '''Herd Immunity''' Is Closer Than Scientists Thought?

Haven't some of us been arguing "herd immunity" for quite some time?

We already know that the segment of society most at risk are those aged 70 years and older. The current US average life expectancy according to the CDC is 78.6 years. FastStats - Life Expectancy

According to this CDC chart (as of today) 87,060 of the 149,000 Covid-19 related deaths were aged 75 and older. That's 58%. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

The next largest group? Aged 65 to 74, and they constituted an additional 31,488 deaths. When combined this makes 118,548, which is 80% of all deaths so far.

So 80% of all Covid-19 deaths are in the elderly, 65 and older. When one takes into consideration both that the average life expectancy is 78.6 years, coupled with the fact that people over 65 have more co-morbidities making them at higher risk? Add that they are thus less likely to display herd immunity?

I think it's safe to say that once Covid-19 runs it's course, then much like the annual flu, it will become just another periodic and socially ignored medical "irritant."
 
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You just can't help but laugh at liberals (including the NYT's) who constantly attack the far right conspiracy theory of herd immunity and now they have to eat crow. Well, I'll at least give them some credit for eating crow. Any lefties on DP willing to eat crow? Or are you going to remain fact deniers?



What if '''Herd Immunity''' Is Closer Than Scientists Thought?

It's a yahoo link, for one thing. For another, it's as incredibly moronic and dishonest to use it for a victory lap:

To achieve so-called herd immunity — the point at which the virus can no longer spread because there are not enough vulnerable humans — scientists have suggested that perhaps 70% of a given population must be immune, through vaccination or because they survived the infection. Now some researchers are wrestling with a hopeful possibility. In interviews with The New York Times, more than a dozen scientists said that the threshold is likely to be much lower: just 50%, perhaps even less. If that’s true, then it may be possible to turn back the coronavirus more quickly than once thought.



At least 13 said "likely", according to a journalists reading of another journalists writing in the NYT; not 70%, but 50%. "Perhaps" (what's the probability expressed by "perhaps") less.



Haven't some of us been arguing "herd immunity" for quite some time?

We already know that the segment of society most at risk are those aged 70 years and older. The current US average life expectancy according to the CDC is 78.6 years. FastStats - Life Expectancy

According to this CDC chart (as of today) 87,060 of the 149,000 Covid-19 related deaths were aged 75 and older. That's 58%. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

The next largest group? Aged 65 to 74, and they constituted an additional 31,488 deaths. When combined this makes 118,548, which is 80% of all deaths so far.

So 80% of all Covid-19 deaths are in the elderly, 65 and older. When one takes into consideration both that the average life expectancy is 78.6 years, coupled with the fact that people over 65 have more co-morbidities making them at higher risk? Add that they are thus less likely to display herd immunity?

I think it's safe to say that once Covid-19 runs it's course, then much like the annual flu, it will become just another periodic and socially ignored medical "irritant."

Read before you spew.
 

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It's a yahoo link, for one thing. For another, it's as incredibly moronic and dishonest to use it for a victory lap:

To achieve so-called herd immunity — the point at which the virus can no longer spread because there are not enough vulnerable humans — scientists have suggested that perhaps 70% of a given population must be immune, through vaccination or because they survived the infection. Now some researchers are wrestling with a hopeful possibility. In interviews with The New York Times, more than a dozen scientists said that the threshold is likely to be much lower: just 50%, perhaps even less. If that’s true, then it may be possible to turn back the coronavirus more quickly than once thought.



At least 13 said "likely", according to a journalists reading of another journalists writing in the NYT; not 70%, but 50%. "Perhaps" (what's the probability expressed by "perhaps") less.





Read before you spew.

Are you trying to say that the New York Times reports fake news?
 

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It's a yahoo link, for one thing. For another, it's as incredibly moronic and dishonest to use it for a victory lap:

To achieve so-called herd immunity — the point at which the virus can no longer spread because there are not enough vulnerable humans — scientists have suggested that perhaps 70% of a given population must be immune, through vaccination or because they survived the infection. Now some researchers are wrestling with a hopeful possibility. In interviews with The New York Times, more than a dozen scientists said that the threshold is likely to be much lower: just 50%, perhaps even less. If that’s true, then it may be possible to turn back the coronavirus more quickly than once thought.



At least 13 said "likely", according to a journalists reading of another journalists writing in the NYT; not 70%, but 50%. "Perhaps" (what's the probability expressed by "perhaps") less.





Read before you spew.

yeah, this thread title is a total lie.
 

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You just can't help but laugh at liberals (including the NYT's) who constantly attack the far right conspiracy theory of herd immunity and now they have to eat crow. Well, I'll at least give them some credit for eating crow. Any lefties on DP willing to eat crow? Or are you going to remain fact deniers?

What if '''Herd Immunity''' Is Closer Than Scientists Thought?

Clearly you did not read you own article.

And no, noone ever said herd immunity is impossible.

People just said that it's a long road before we reach it with many deaths along the way. If some "pockets in New York City" are maybe possibly close to it, it does not contradict what we had said before.
 
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