New wage boost puts squeeze on teenage workers across Arizona

[Stinger]

By mischaracterizing my posts.

Nope but I did suggest you restate incase your point wasn't coming correctly. You didn't

Thank you for your admission there has been no one fired.

So what? He clearly has stated his intention, are you calling him a liar?

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By mischaracterizing my statements.

Once again you apparently can't restate it and nothing was mischaracterized.

Did you read the article? He is in the process of laying off workers as the MW increase comes into effect? Are you calling him a liar?

Well?

OK here is what you said again

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Well tell the people earning MW who got an increase in income for the first time in 10 years that is just a minor effect."

Your statement claims that there are people who have been making MW for 10 years now without a raise. If that is not what you meant then restate it.

It has been 10 years since the MW wage was raised, mostly because Republicans like keeping labor costs low to maximize their profits.

That's not what you said in the first place is it. Your statements have not be mischaraterized have they. Are you retracting your previous statement? And are you stating that the only employers who pay minimum wage are Republicans or do you want to restate that little specious barb?

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Sorry but your sentence says exactly what I stated, if you misspoke then restate it.

Nope, you mischaracterized it in a lame attempt to try to make a point.

yawn. Obviously you believe that be repeating this over and over you can get out of the absurd statement you made. Nope.

Because they are Americans,

So because you are an American you should be able to demand more money than you are worth? You should be able refuse to get an education, refuse to be a valuable employee but still get a "living wage" as you call it?

and some of us care about the millions you think should live in sub-poverty squalor because they aren't worth enough for their full time labor.

Fine hire them yourself and pay them more than the labor they supply is worth. I think they should do the things necessary to make themselves more valuable employees so that they can make more money. Which do you think is better for the country what I think or what you think?

Irrelevant. But I'd be interested to know what you do for a living.

If it is irrelevant for you why is it relevent for me? I interested too so how about an answer? Me? I am the branch manager and sales rep for a worldwide company which manufactures industrial MRO items, 21 years employement with them. I have 6 employees who report directly to me. I call on all facets of manufacturing and OEM accounts and the USPS and other distribution type companies. Previously I owned a distributorship in the same field with 8 employees for 8 years. Previous I have been a production superintendent for a manufacturer with 60 employees reporting directly to me. Previous to that worked in a shipyard and in construction. And have had various little endeavors on the side.

So what is your experience, what do you do now and what have you done before?

No sir, as is your customs, you have mischaracterized my statments, starting with insuating I was calling people liars, in your weak attempts to make arguments, and dodge questions put to you as is typical.

And once again when your statements don't hold up to scrutiny you start issuing your invectives and ad hominems. It doesn't fool anyone anymore.

 

[Iriemon]

So what? He clearly has stated his intention, are you calling him a liar?

... Are you calling him a liar?

...Obviously you believe that be repeating this over and over you can get out of the absurd statement you made

Round and round it goes, where it'll stop nobody knows.

.... Which do you think is better for the country what I think or what you think?

Yes.

And once again when your statements don't hold up to scrutiny you start issuing your invectives and ad hominems. It doesn't fool anyone anymore.

LOL! I'll take that as a compliment from the master.

 

[Stinger]

Round and round it goes, where it'll stop nobody knows.



Yes.



LOL! I'll take that as a compliment from the master.

I see you have decided the merits of you argument don't hold up.

But one thing remains. I asked you what you did for a living and what have you ever done as far as being an employer. You answered by asking me the same. I responded. You haven't.

Your turn.

 

[Iriemon]

I see you have decided the merits of you argument don't hold up.

I got a good idea for you. In your next post you can ask for the 23rd time whether I am calling the employers liars, and then you can again say how my arguments don't hold up. Very clever debating skill.

But one thing remains. I asked you what you did for a living and what have you ever done as far as being an employer. You answered by asking me the same. I responded. You haven't.

Your turn.

I don't intend to.

 

[Stinger]

I got a good idea for you. In your next post you can ask for the 23rd time whether I am calling the employers liars, and then you can again say how my arguments don't hold up. Very clever debating skill.

Why not just answer in the first place?

I don't intend to.

What are you afraid of, YOU took the liberty to ask me, now do the right thing and respond in kind.

 

[Iriemon]

Why not just answer in the first place?

Because I answered it directly several posts ago.

What are you afraid of, YOU took the liberty to ask me, now do the right thing and respond in kind.

I don't generally give out personal information, whether you think I should or not.

 

[Stinger]

Because I answered it directly several posts ago.

Which message?

I don't generally give out personal information, whether you think I should or not.

But you think it OK to ask of others. Well sir you asked me so now it is your turn, embarrassed about it or something. I'm not asking the name of your employer or place. If you are willing to ask someone out of interest then do the polite thing and respond in kind out of interest.

 

[Iriemon]

Which message?

Jeez you sit there and proclaim I am avoiding answering questions, and you apparently don't even bother reading my posts. I point out I've answered it but you are too lazy to look it upyourself and expect me to do it for you. And then you wonder why I get tired of going around in circles with you.

I'll do it this time.

Post #42.

Stinger: Are you calling him a liar?

Iriemon: No.

Is that not direct enough? Yet you probably asked me whether I was calling them liars another 10x after that.

But you think it OK to ask of others. Well sir you asked me so now it is your turn, embarrassed about it or something. I'm not asking the name of your employer or place. If you are willing to ask someone out of interest then do the polite thing and respond in kind out of interest.

No.

 

[Stinger]

Jeez you sit there and proclaim I am avoiding answering questions, and you apparently don't even bother reading my posts. I point out I've answered it but you are too lazy to look it upyourself and expect me to do it for you. And then you wonder why I get tired of going around in circles with you.

I'll do it this time.

Post #42.

Stinger: Are you calling him a liar?

Iriemon: No.

Is that not direct enough? Yet you probably asked me whether I was calling them liars another 10x after that.

So then you admit that teenage workers will lose their jobs due to the MW increase as he states?

No.

Then I have no reason to believe you know what you are talking about when it comes to hiring practices and meeting a payroll. And you have shown that you are willing to question people about their personal information but embarrassed to talk about yours, not very condusive to an open dialog.

 

[Iriemon]

So then you admit that teenage workers will lose their jobs due to the MW increase as he states?

LOL!

Asked and answered, this time I'm not going back to show you again where I have answered a question you ask over and over ad naseum.

Then I have no reason to believe you know what you are talking about when it comes to hiring practices and meeting a payroll. And you have shown that you are willing to question people about their personal information but embarrassed to talk about yours, not very condusive to an open dialog.

Good for you.

 

[Stinger]

LOL!

Asked and answered, this time I'm not going back to show you again where I have answered a question you ask over and over ad naseum.

Ahh your typical say one thing and then another. If you agree that he is not lying then you agree that he will have to fire some of his part-time workers as an effect of the minimum wage, else your are just trying to BS your way out of it. OH well.

 

[Iriemon]

Ahh your typical say one thing and then another. If you agree that he is not lying then you agree that he will have to fire some of his part-time workers as an effect of the minimum wage, else your are just trying to BS your way out of it. OH well.

I do, eh? How about acknowledging I in fact had directly and unambgiuously answered your question about calling the employer a liar directly with a no, yet you continued to ask it and then contend I was dodging your question?

The fact the article says the employer intends to lay off 3 of his 25 employees does not mean he "has" to fire some. That is a presumption on your part. Nor does it mean he will; he stated he intends to. Nor does it mean that the 3 laid off employees will not be able to find jobs at other companies that need more workers.

Nor have I ever disagreed that the MW increase does not have an effect on low wage employment. It certainly will have an effect on those who earn it in terms of a significant increase in their salaries and that those who rely on it as a significant part of their family income will not be far better off as a result. As to the effect on employment overall, that depends upon the demand for low cost labor. Right now, with a 4.7% unemployment rate which reflects a generally healthy demand for labor, I would not expect the increase in the MW to have a significant impact on the employment rate.

The fact that the article cites a few employers saying they are going to trim their hiring is anecdotal, and does not indicate there has been a significant effect on employment.

 

[Stinger]

I do, eh? How about acknowledging I in fact had directly and unambgiuously answered your question about calling the employer a liar directly with a no, yet you continued to ask it and then contend I was dodging your question?

Well the way you dance around and say one thing and then imply another it's hard to tell. But now that you have made yourself clear that he is not lying that he will indeed have to layoff employees, point proven.

The fact the article says the employer intends to lay off 3 of his 25 employees does not mean he "has" to fire some.

So you are calling him liar again. See what I mean.

Let me know when you make up your mind exactly what you are trying to say and not this song and dance you keep getting into. Or better yet when you are gracious enough to reply as to your work history as you asked of me let know, I really don't appreciate people who ask something of someone but then refuse to respond themselves.

 

[Iriemon]

Well the way you dance around and say one thing and then imply another it's hard to tell. But now that you have made yourself clear that he is not lying that he will indeed have to layoff employees, point proven.

"by now" you mean when I wrote it 40 posts ago?

So you are calling him liar again. See what I mean.

Wrong. But I'll call you a liar for continuing to misrepresent my statements.

Let me know when you make up your mind exactly what you are trying to say and not this song and dance you keep getting into. Or better yet when you are gracious enough to reply as to your work history as you asked of me let know, I really don't appreciate people who ask something of someone but then refuse to respond themselves.

I just did. It appears clearly beyond your ability to grasp.

 

[Stinger]

"by now" you mean when I wrote it 40 posts ago?

And the equivocated.

Wrong. But I'll call you a liar for continuing to misrepresent my statements.

OH so now he is telling the truth when he says he will have to lay off workers?

Does this spinning get you dizzy?

And don't bother to respond until you are ready to do as you asked of me.

 

[Iriemon]

And the equivocated.

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Does this spinning get you dizzy?

LMFAO!

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