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Trajan Octavian Titus said:if it's a race we got like a forty year head start
Now I think of it,it may have been $300 billion,now that sounds more realistic.I know there was a 3 at the beginning.:dohAndrovski said:Yeah I know that,but the Chinese Space program is developing very rapidly and the NASA program is fairly stagnant at present,plus there is very little co-operation with Europe and Japan.
I know that China are still way behind,but they won't take long to bridge that 40 yr head start with the ambitious plans they have.
It would be nice to think that there could be international co-operation,that way the huge cost of a manned mission to Mars would be shared.
I remember reading sometime ago that it would cost in the region of $30 billion.I think that's a conservative estimate!
Androvski said:Yeah I know that,but the Chinese Space program is developing very rapidly and the NASA program is fairly stagnant at present,plus there is very little co-operation with Europe and Japan.
I know that China are still way behind,but they won't take long to bridge that 40 yr head start with the ambitious plans they have.
It would be nice to think that there could be international co-operation,that way the huge cost of a manned mission to Mars would be shared.
I remember reading sometime ago that it would cost in the region of $30 billion.I think that's a conservative estimate!
Scarecrow Akhbar said:What's the point in going to Mars? What will be accomplished, what will the rate of return on investment be?
What d'ya expect to find? Water? Haven't done the orbit calcs, but I'm sure it would be cheaper in delta-V to snag a comet than it would be to go down to Mars and back up with it.
Gonna do the exciting "search for extra-terrestrial life" adventure? What happens when you find it? The day a living alien bacterium if found on Mars is the day Mars manned exploration will stop. There's green Nazis infecting all our courts waiting for a day like that.
Geological samples? We're gonna risk men for rocks?
Wanna see how a long duration space flight outside of earh's protective magnetic field will work out? Why not orbit the moon for a year?
There is the moon, of course. Our personal exploration of that planet was like the baby ant just touching the tip of a fin of a blue whale. There may very well be water in the polar regions. The data the Lunar Prospector collected wasn't conlcusive.
The moon's a nice place. Think about it. Half the moon has a great view of a really unique place. Plenty of room for souvenir shops. Near, yet totally alien. Could become an ideal retirement community, especially for those with weak hearts. Lots of natural vacuum for those hard to do science experiments.
So what's the rush to get to Mars? Ego? Define the goals, please.
robin said:Putting people in space is very expensive & of little or no use.
Unmanned space probes & telescopes advance our knowledge of universe far more than any Manned probe can.
However manned missions are very entertaining & what's a few $billion if the cost is born by hundreds of millions of people ?
If some fool wants to spend two years in a tin can just to go & bounce up & down on a barren ball of rust 80 million miles away & no doubt pin the stars & stripes on it, then fine by me. I think it's a wonderfully absurd thing to do :lol:
I do wish though that money would be spent on a bigger & better replacement for Hubble in optical wavelengths & on preserving our rainforests. They are far more precious than mere rust.
Therein lies an excellent subject for another thread. Without going on for too long OT... Money can buy most things. Land owners/governments need compensation for the timber revenues they would have recieved. Perhaps we should pay them also for the carbon that these trees keep out of the atmosphere.Androvski said:I want to Preserve our rainforests,but how are we going to stop "them" cuttting the trees down,short of "doing a number on them"?
robin said:PS if we don't do something soon then before too long you won't need to go to Mars to bounce around on a barren ball of dirt LOL
Androvski said:Your not wrong there,I'm sure I read once that an area the size of Belgium is cut away in the Amazonian rainforest each day,hard to imagine!
Androvski said:Yeah I know that,but the Chinese Space program is developing very rapidly and the NASA program is fairly stagnant at present,plus there is very little co-operation with Europe and Japan.
I know that China are still way behind,but they won't take long to bridge that 40 yr head start with the ambitious plans they have.
It would be nice to think that there could be international co-operation,that way the huge cost of a manned mission to Mars would be shared.
I remember reading sometime ago that it would cost in the region of $30 billion.I think that's a conservative estimate!
robin said:Area of Belgium = 30,518 sq km.
Area of Brazil = 8,511,965 sq km
Well I guess it's rainforests of the world, as Brazil would be gone in 279 days if not !
Mind you even if was the forests of the whole world, an area the size of Belgium seems an exageration.
Aprox area of world's rain forests 2.6 million sq miles = 6.7million sq km.
6,700,000/30,518 = 219 days & all the forests will be gone !
Just goes to show. You can't trust stats from the net :roll:
Canuck said:this time America pays for china's space race
in jobs and trinkets bought at Walmart
help support china's space program buy chinese
and adopt a mexican gang it helps the american space program go under
while your at it
Tashah said:Can anyone even vaguely remember the last influential Russian contribution to science? I didn't think so.
robin said:Putting people in space is very expensive & of little or no use.
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NASA owns over 1,000 patents and patent applications that protect inventions in hundreds of subject matter categories.
NASA solutions
For all humankind
Even just the satellites require manned maintenience every once in a while.
You like eating? Clean water? Saving the whales? Preventing landmines from blowing up kids? Oil spill clean up? Cancer early detection systems? "Smart" surgical tools?Fetal activity monitors? Camera-on-a-chip technology? Aeronautical safety technologies? VR remote control technologies? Scratch resistant glasses? Rescue worker technologies? Any cordless technology?
Home heating insulation technologies?
As long as you dont eat,take a bath, go outside,get sick, get old, dont use electricity, dont use money, dont make phone calls, dont play sports, dont fly on an airplane, dont watch TV, dont use a computer, your property is immune to fire,
then you are abolutely correct.
Manned missions in space are useless to you.
Since you are posting on a forum I suspect you are shooting par for the course however.
It's thing like this that make me wonder why we aren't already doing such things. Asteroids, the Moon and Mars could all be stripped mine without any consequences. There is no ecosystem to damage and no consequences for Earth from doing it. We may find new resources that are not available to us on Earth.Trajan Octavian Titus said:do you realize that there's an asteroid up there not to far away that's made out of raw iron ore and worth billions? It's great that another country finally put a man in space but I think the private launch a few months back was more of a milestone which will hopefully spark a renewed vigor for technological advancement.
scottyz said:It's thing like this that make me wonder why we aren't already doing such things. Asteroids, the Moon and Mars could all be stripped mine without any consequences. There is no ecosystem to damage and no consequences for Earth from doing it. We may find new resources that are not available to us on Earth.
Don't be too bowled over with glossy corporate type speak.akyron said:robin said:Putting people in space is very expensive & of little or no use.
NASA owns over 1,000 patents and patent applications that protect inventions in hundreds of subject matter categories.
NASA solutions
For all humankind
Even just the satellites require manned maintenience every once in a while.
You like eating? Clean water? Saving the whales? Preventing landmines from blowing up kids? Oil spill clean up? Cancer early detection systems? "Smart" surgical tools?Fetal activity monitors? Camera-on-a-chip technology? Aeronautical safety technologies? VR remote control technologies? Scratch resistant glasses? Rescue worker technologies? Any cordless technology?
Home heating insulation technologies?
As long as you dont eat,take a bath, go outside,get sick, get old, dont use electricity, dont use money, dont make phone calls, dont play sports, dont fly on an airplane, dont watch TV, dont use a computer, your property is immune to fire,
then you are abolutely correct.
Manned missions in space are useless to you.
Since you are posting on a forum I suspect you are shooting par for the course however.
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