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New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online

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This is exactly the reason why this traitor belongs in jail. If you don't think the technology our government has at its beck and call is mind-blowing, I have a bridge to sell you. It's how they USE the technology that matters.

Obama? Yes he does belong in jail. I'm glad Snowden is making light of these programs. This is an obvious 4th amendment violation.
 

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This is exactly the reason why this traitor belongs in jail. If you don't think the technology our government has at its beck and call is mind-blowing, I have a bridge to sell you. It's how they USE the technology that matters.

You believe Snowden is a traitor?
 

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Obama? Yes he does belong in jail. I'm glad Snowden is making light of these programs. This is an obvious 4th amendment violation.

Absolutely.......

This is just the beginning tho. These tyrants are trying to make us "get used to" the idea of government superiority over the individual not to mention our Bill of Rights. They (government) calls that "progress" - meaning slow change over time (in which humans can easily adapt to) especially when they're brainwashed on top of that.
 

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Thank you. It's just astonishing that people curse Snowden as a traitor and then bitch about being spied on. Snowden is a ****ing hero as far as I'm concerned.



Obama? Yes he does belong in jail. I'm glad Snowden is making light of these programs. This is an obvious 4th amendment violation.
 

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Who said this targeted any domestic non-terrorism related parties? I'm sure they could but doesn't mean they do.

This is a FORN SIGINT tool- what do you think the NSA does? Play pong? Lol

Overblown by the media...no one is reading your info, emails etc.. Snowden is a rat, and probably a mole, that will get what he deserves.
 

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Who said this targeted any domestic non-terrorism related parties? I'm sure they could but doesn't mean they do.

This is a FORN SIGINT tool- what do you think the NSA does? Play pong? Lol

Overblown by the media...no one is reading your info, emails etc.. Snowden is a rat, and probably a mole, that will get what he deserves.

Every email is "read" by a sophisticated program and all are required to be preserved to be available to the government - and has been for about a decade. This was part of the deal also with Microsoft and why the Justice Department dropped the anti-trust suit - bizarrely too since they had won before the US Supreme Court so it a DOJ final victory. it was also in this time frame that it became illegal to sell any encryption program that does not have a key available to the federal government.

The government can copy and read your 'puter and/or copy it all - including anything you deleted up to 7 layers deep as of a few years ago (meaning until you totally over-write your hard drive 7-times it is still there. Other software, such as Norton, is specifically saving everything you do in a hidden file called the "ghost file." None of any of this is really a secret.

For my wife's business, she had a set of old Motorola computers with early encryption - essentially unbreakable. And that was tested too one time when the FBI wanted access and she said no. To their saying they could seize it, she replied "their old Motorolas." With that, it became more a mutual cooperation. She was "on their side," but wouldn't be their lackey - and her concerns were more the DOHS, not the FBI, in terms of who she pleases.

So instead, she worked with them at one of their high security locale's. The FBI was furious over it, total her no one every refused access to their computers on the topic (terrorism), but the DOHS congratulated her as one of the very few people who stuck to the rules. Who knows what an FBI agent tells his wife, has on his laptop etc.

Hubble(s) doesn't look at space, it is watching you. 24/7 and saving it all. That is how they located the Waco bomber so quickly. Curious law too. It is entirely legal to use to spy on people, but illegal to allow more than a certain resolution to be released. Thus, nothing seen can ever be used in a court or publicly released. That also is why such as Google Satellite can only zoom in so close. The government could read a book along with you from space as you read it on a park bench, but the security law says they can never publicly release nor even reveal this including in court in anything but the resolution limitation. No exceptions allowed. They want most people to think this just a conspiracy nut myth.

Everyone is being watched and recorded - and if far too late to figure any of it will ever stop. The only limitations are the limitations of technology. As it advances, so will watching you and everyone. That is just a truism - like it or not. So learn to live with it and adjust accordingly.
 
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Every email is "read" by a sophisticated program and all are required to be preserved to be available to the government.

Read? Really? Com'on xkeyscore is but an older reiteration of sniffers; Carnivore was around in the late 90s- LOL

Get real.
 

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The best part is that once the progressives wrap their head around the fact our government is spying on us they will then say: "If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about."

Of course "wrong" in the progressive mindset is embracing individualism and civil liberties.
 

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So they are tapping porn and facebook because that is like 80% of my internet usage.
 

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I smell a sock…
 

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Read? Really? Com'on xkeyscore is but an older reiteration of sniffers; Carnivore was around in the late 90s- LOL

Get real.

Who said this targeted any domestic non-terrorism related parties? I'm sure they could but doesn't mean they do.

This is a FORN SIGINT tool- what do you think the NSA does? Play pong? Lol

Overblown by the media...no one is reading your info, emails etc.. Snowden is a rat, and probably a mole, that will get what he deserves.
It's not overblown at all. If anything it was "underblown". Even low level employees have access to our emails, browsing history, and a mountain of other data, without any kind of authorization or warrant. You don't sound like you have much respect for the constitution. Would you still defend their actions if they were physically searching you and your house instead of electronically?
 

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New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online - CNN.com

"Somebody's watching you"

Imagine what an incumbent with access to that could do during a campaign?

Anyone who didn't know this already is a naive idiot. Fourtunately, they don't give a damn about Joe Jackofferson, and his terabytes of porn, or who Johnny Pothead got his fix from. They're playing connect the dots. They already certain sites and email addresses red flagged, they're using this to see who goes to them, what they do there, and determine whether or not they pose a credible threat to national security. Same with the phone lines.
 

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I don't see much gray between pro-Snowden or pro-tyranny...

When the **** will the people say "NO."

People either believe the government has the RIGHT to spy on people without a warrant, hence violating the 4th Amendment or they want their individual liberties and respect their rights and acknowledge the fact the government has absolutely no right via the aforementioned to search your property (including your intellectual ideas collectively)...

Intellectual ideas are very much protected, not under the First Amendment but also the 4th without a warrant - which no judge could possibly issue, not only to just cause (not that matters) but due to all the requests... However the latter is their (governments) argument, and when that doesn't work the government actually has the audacity to claim that the simple fact you're "online" (like someone cant hack your pc through any connection - even if you believe a line is dead) it's automatically "public display" on the simple fact your pc can be hacked..

Of course the progressive judicial system is generally down with the authoritarian progressive (RINO's & Progs) agenda and will side with them for campaign and support reasons.
 

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Anyone who didn't know this already is a naive idiot. Fourtunately, they don't give a damn about Joe Jackofferson, and his terabytes of porn, or who Johnny Pothead got his fix from. They're playing connect the dots. They already certain sites and email addresses red flagged, they're using this to see who goes to them, what they do there, and determine whether or not they pose a credible threat to national security. Same with the phone lines.

Seeing as how you seem to have insider information about top secret programs, why don't you enlighten us? You seem to be very aware of what they do, and do not use this for.

I guess you're the type that believes the government can do no wrong and would never abuse such a program? As long as you sleep safely in your bed at night you don't care what they do, huh?
 

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Anyone who didn't know this already is a naive idiot. Fourtunately, they don't give a damn about Joe Jackofferson, and his terabytes of porn, or who Johnny Pothead got his fix from. They're playing connect the dots. They already certain sites and email addresses red flagged, they're using this to see who goes to them, what they do there, and determine whether or not they pose a credible threat to national security. Same with the phone lines.

If that is true, which I think it is, then why didn't they prevent the Boston Marathon bombing?

FYI - The issue remains: the IC is harvesting information on everyone they can and a lot of people hate the idea of it no matter what word game or rationale they use.
 

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Seeing as how you seem to have insider information about top secret programs, why don't you enlighten us? You seem to be very aware of what they do, and do not use this for.
It's not "insider information", it's common sense. Do you honestly believe that the number of personnel they have has the capacity to scan hundreds of millions of mouse clicks, phone calls, and texts every second of the day? That's stupid. They'll be looking at specifically targeted areas for suspicious activity. Any idiot with half a brain and even the most basic knowledge of how the department of defense operates can figure that out.

I guess you're the type that believes the government can do no wrong and would never abuse such a program? As long as you sleep safely in your bed at night you don't care what they do, huh?

No, I'm just not dumb enough to believe that the NSA isn't abusing the power it was given when Congress and the Supreme Court gave them a free pass in 2006, nor do I think the government is this huge omniscient being that sees all and knows all. Everything is systemized, bureaued, and has at least 136 levels of protocols and SOPs. Would you like to post more asinine assumptions about my character based on one post, or are you done with the polarized hysterics?
 

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If that is true, which I think it is, then why didn't they prevent the Boston Marathon bombing?

FYI - The issue remains: the IC is harvesting information on everyone they can and a lot of people hate the idea of it no matter what word game or rationale they use.
The FBI did track the Tsarnaev brothers. They even brought them in for questioning based on information givenn to them by the Russians. The FBI believed that they weren't a threat, and removed the flag. They have likely changed a few things as a result.
 

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If that is true, which I think it is, then why didn't they prevent the Boston Marathon bombing?

FYI - The issue remains: the IC is harvesting information on everyone they can and a lot of people hate the idea of it no matter what word game or rationale they use.

Part of the reason is that Obama didn't want the mosques being spied on.
 

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It's not "insider information", it's common sense. Do you honestly believe that the number of personnel they have has the capacity to scan hundreds of millions of mouse clicks, phone calls, and texts every second of the day? That's stupid. They'll be looking at specifically targeted areas for suspicious activity. Any idiot with half a brain and even the most basic knowledge of how the department of defense operates can figure that out.



No, I'm just not dumb enough to believe that the NSA isn't abusing the power it was given when Congress and the Supreme Court gave them a free pass in 2006, nor do I think the government is this huge omniscient being that sees all and knows all. Everything is systemized, bureaued, and has at least 136 levels of protocols and SOPs. Would you like to post more asinine assumptions about my character based on one post, or are you done with the polarized hysterics?

It's not too asinine of an assumption when you make it very clear that you completely trust the government with all of this and have zero issue with low level employees being able to access any American's data. You're putting your safety in front of our privacy rights, which in my opinion is a very cowardly thing to do.

I never said they were monitoring every single mouse click or email, I'm stating, like the facts represent, that they CAN check any given individuals email, browsing history, phone calls, etc. They also DO this on a very regular basis with almost zero oversight or approval required. As the leak reported, any authorized low level employee can use the software without specific authorization for the person they're looking for.

Combine this with the previous leak, that they're gathering an insane amount of meta data on everything you do, they can target individuals with "suspicious profiles".
(which turns out to be rather silly things like 'using a language not typical of the region they're in.' This is the American melting pot, no ****).

This is insider information. Up until now the depth of their abilities has been largely unknown, and was mostly viewed as "paranoid conspiracy theories". Now we have definitive proof. If it wasn't insider information, Snowden wouldn't be the most wanted man alive right now.
 

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It's not overblown at all. If anything it was "underblown". Even low level employees have access to our emails, browsing history, and a mountain of other data, without any kind of authorization or warrant. You don't sound like you have much respect for the constitution. Would you still defend their actions if they were physically searching you and your house instead of electronically?

It is overblown; it is sensationalized to appeal to American's core belief that their freedoms and privacy are sacred and are now under assault.

The reality is that these programs, which have been around for decades, are there to protect those freedoms. Carnivore, an FBI sniffer program, was around in the late 1990s..lets not get all worked up now. You assume the programs are targeted at you, which is pretty narcissistic btw; xkeyscore, which is old btw, wasn't designed to track your bs Internet activity LOL.

Jut look at how people react: "low level employees have access to my info..." I mean com'on, you make it sound like the 15 year old at McDonalds does. Low level employees at the NSA aren't the guy who sweeps the floor or asks if you want fries with your burger.

People's passions are being stoked by this story. This is why people throw up The Fourth Amendment and make analogies to their physical persons being searched; the truth is that The Fourth Amendment doesn't cover you 100% within the electronic spectrum. In fact most references to it show how little people actually understand The Fourth Amendment.

There have been decades of legal precedent that have addressed pieces of this argument and programs. Some of you seem to think that the whole government is just one big rogue outfit. An elephant trampling on your rights; I don't deny that Uncle Sam screws shyt up all the time, but to extrapolate how one feels about government in general to how the IC operates or why they do what they do is beyond logic. I mean, what do you think the NSA does?

In the end history will clear up this whole debacle; IMO Snowden is a mole, and a rat, his whole job hopping campaign deeper and deeper into the infrastructure of these programs smells fishy. The guy worked at BA for three months before running to HK with all these secrets; his time line of activities do not make sense. This guy had help and IMO from the outside. He is no hero and your being misled.

The media and many have taken sympathy to this POS; however history will prove that you were misled...in the interim no amount of logic and facts will suffice for those of you with preconceived notions.
 
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The government can copy and read your 'puter and/or copy it all - including anything you deleted up to 7 layers deep as of a few years ago (meaning until you totally over-write your hard drive 7-times it is still there. Other software, such as Norton, is specifically saving everything you do in a hidden file called the "ghost file." None of any of this is really a secret.

lol, that's not what a a wipe is for and it's not what it does, but that's a very novel way to look at it.

Hubble(s) doesn't look at space, it is watching you. 24/7 and saving it all. That is how they located the Waco bomber so quickly. Curious law too. It is entirely legal to use to spy on people, but illegal to allow more than a certain resolution to be released. Thus, nothing seen can ever be used in a court or publicly released. That also is why such as Google Satellite can only zoom in so close. The government could read a book along with you from space as you read it on a park bench, but the security law says they can never publicly release nor even reveal this including in court in anything but the resolution limitation. No exceptions allowed. They want most people to think this just a conspiracy nut myth.

I liked Enemy of the State, too. Good movie. But, no.
 

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New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online - CNN.com
"Somebody's watching you"
Imagine what an incumbent with access to that could do during a campaign?
Or what the Chinese will do with after they hack in and make copies.

It's a bad idea under more than one way of looking at it.
Even if you're willing to forgo the arguments about how a civil society should operate and treat it's citizens, there're still the arguments about the practical safety issues of creating a giant handle to grab America by.
 
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