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New Research Finds Polar Bear Numbers Up 42% Since 2004 – Survival Rates Unaffected By Sea Ice Avail

The polar bears are thriving.

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[h=1]Despite climate change, polar bears thrive[/h][FONT=&quot]Observations: Polar Bears Continue To Thrive, Grow In Number, Shredding Forecasts Of Climate Doom Ten years ago, polar bears were classified as an endangered species due to model-based assumptions that said the recession of Arctic sea ice would hamper the bears’ seal-hunting capabilities and ultimately lead to starvation and extinction. The Inuit, who have observed…
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Threegoofs said:
Oh, I wouldn’t go that far.

Don’t beat yourself up about this.
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I would. Jack makes a valid point. The polar bear population never decreased. They just move around from place to place while they hunt. Your belief that the bears actually declined in any significant way is just like a Holocaust denier.
 
What to do with too many polar bears?

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[h=1]Inuit Plan to Kill More “Climate Change Affected” Polar Bears, to Preserve Public Safety[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Eric Worrall [addition h/t to users: Cam_S, Neo, and Fraizer, who all called attention to the this story ~ctm] h/t Howard “Cork” Hayden; Inuit communities are increasingly alarmed at surging populations of polar bears posing a risk to public safety, and have advanced plans to kill more polar bears to mitigate the…
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Polar bears everywhere!

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[h=1]Chukchi Sea polar bears number almost 3000 according to new survey results[/h][FONT=&quot]From Polar Bear Science Posted on September 3, 2018 | Chukchi Sea polar bears number almost 3000 according to new survey results The Chukchi Sea finally has a polar bear population estimate! According to survey results from 2016 only recently made public, about 2937 bears (1522-5944) currently inhabit the region, making this the largest subpopulation…
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Jack Hays said:
Polar bears everywhere!

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[h=1]Chukchi Sea polar bears number almost 3000 according to new survey results[/h][FONT=&quot]From Polar Bear Science Posted on September 3, 2018 | Chukchi Sea polar bears number almost 3000 according to new survey results The Chukchi Sea finally has a polar bear population estimate! According to survey results from 2016 only recently made public, about 2937 bears (1522-5944) currently inhabit the region, making this the largest subpopulation…
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LOL.

‘Polar Bear Science’.

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Sunsettommy said:
Interesting that the Inuits who live in the region thinks Polar Bears are doing good and even too many in some places.

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New Research Finds Polar Bear Numbers Up 42% Since 2004 – Survival Rates Unaffected By Sea Ice Availability

By Kenneth Richard on 12. March 2018

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The native Inuit peoples who have lived in the Arctic and observed polar bear hunting practices for generations are apparently deserving of the “climate-change denier” moniker.
For that matter, the audacious scientists who risk the ire of the AGW gatekeepers to interview these community leaders and then publish their results in scientific journals apparently must be classified as “climate-change deniers” too.

Why? Because there appears to be widespread agreement among Inuit observers that polar bears are skilled swimmers who can catch seals in open water (and not just from sea ice surfaces). This observation wholly contradicts the “well established” and “overwhelming” scientific evidence identified in Harvey et al. (2017) that says polar bears can only catch seals from a sea ice platform.
“The [native populations’] view of polar bears as effective open-water hunters is not consistent with the Western scientific understanding that bears rely on the sea ice platform for catching prey (Stirling and McEwan, 1975; Smith, 1980). The implications of this disagreement are paramount, given that scientists suggest that the greatest threat to polar bears associated with a decrease in sea ice is a significant decrease in access to marine mammal prey (Stirling and Derocher, 1993; Derocher et al., 2004).” — Laforest et al., 2018

‘There’s Too Many Polar Bears Now’
Not only do the generational observations indicate that polar bears’ hunting practices are not duly harmed by sea ice reduction, but community participants consistently report thriving and growing polar bear populations — especially in recent years.

An extensive analysis by York et al. (2016), relying heavily on native reports, concluded that 12 of 13 Canadian Arctic sub-populations have been stable or growing in recent decades. Wong et al. (2017) recorded Inuit community members reporting “there’s too many polar bears now.”

Even aerial analysis has revealed stable to growing polar bear populations across wide swaths of the Arctic. Aars et al. (2017), for example, report that there is “no evidence” that reduced sea ice has led to a reduction in polar bear population size. To the contrary, these scientists found that polar bears living near the Barents Sea increased in number by 42% — from 685 to 973 — between 2004 and 2015.

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I have no idea where they get their information but the entire aim of the piece is a lie. What a surprise from an American. I know many Inuit people from the Arctic region and everyone will tell you that their world is shrinking, the coast, and the polar bears and moving inland...

And the most famous one is right in your own country United Liars;

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...and-fear-climate-change-dooms-town/102398636/

I know, it's USA Today and we all know they are a crucial part of the secret hidden government, BUT they go their information from the CBC, who filmed it all.

Now as to polar bears, can anyone tell me after reading the OP exactly how polar bears migrate? Do they hunt in packs and what do they eat in the summer when there is no ice.

I suspect most Canadians could answer those questions, but the OP does not, as if they had they would understand how a shrinking of a population could appear to be growing.

OH, get with it people, this story was originally proven false ten years ago.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I have no idea where they get their information but the entire aim of the piece is a lie. What a surprise from an American. I know many Inuit people from the Arctic region and everyone will tell you that their world is shrinking, the coast, and the polar bears and moving inland...

And the most famous one is right in your own country United Liars;

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...and-fear-climate-change-dooms-town/102398636/

I know, it's USA Today and we all know they are a crucial part of the secret hidden government, BUT they go their information from the CBC, who filmed it all.

Now as to polar bears, can anyone tell me after reading the OP exactly how polar bears migrate? Do they hunt in packs and what do they eat in the summer when there is no ice.

I suspect most Canadians could answer those questions, but the OP does not, as if they had they would understand how a shrinking of a population could appear to be growing.

OH, get with it people, this story was originally proven false ten years ago.
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There’s a formula we use in this section:

JH + DB= BS


Jack + denier blogs almost always = bull****
 
Threegoofs said:
She’s been so laughably wrong, she’s been called out specifically on it in a scientific journal.

That’s pretty bad.

https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/68/4/281/4644513
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That's a laughably feeble article, which basically just criticizes the fact that people they don't like cite her. It remains the case that on every question about polar bears she's been right and her critics have been wrong. As the bears continue to thrive the critics will look more and more ridiculous.
 
Jack Hays said:
And yet she has been right. And her critics have been wrong.
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As usual, you SAY that but offer no proof.

Look, with Donald the Liar as your standard bearer, no one outside of the US is going to believe you even if it was true. There have been too many lies.

As I speak I am watching a re-run of the CBC documentary of last year "Where's The Bears?"

When you havew ****ign footage of an island being inundated it's impossible to take your propaganda seriously.

FFS, scientists in Sweden, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Canada have documented what we're talking about and yet you think you will be believed.

Like when you disputed my telling of the disappearing glacier, you've never seen one but can make the claim the one I used to hike has not disappeared.

And oh you also believe Canada has a surplus with the US.
 
Fearandloathing said:
As usual, you SAY that but offer no proof.

Look, with Donald the Liar as your standard bearer, no one outside of the US is going to believe you even if it was true. There have been too many lies.

As I speak I am watching a re-run of the CBC documentary of last year "Where's The Bears?"

When you havew ****ign footage of an island being inundated it's impossible to take your propaganda seriously.

FFS, scientists in Sweden, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Canada have documented what we're talking about and yet you think you will be believed.

Like when you disputed my telling of the disappearing glacier, you've never seen one but can make the claim the one I used to hike has not disappeared.

And oh you also believe Canada has a surplus with the US.
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Proof below per your request.
I neither voted for nor support Donald Trump.
I recall no exchange with you about a glacier.
I have no idea (and I don't care) whether Canada has a surplus or a deficit with the US.

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Today, polar bears are among the few large carnivores that are still found in roughly their original habitat and range--and in some places, in roughly their natural numbers. Although most of the world's 19populations have returned to healthy numbers, there are differences between them.

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[h=1]Inuit Plan to Kill More “Climate Change Affected” Polar Bears, to Preserve Public Safety[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Eric Worrall [addition h/t to users: Cam_S, Neo, and Fraizer, who all called attention to the this story ~ctm] h/t Howard “Cork” Hayden; Inuit communities are increasingly alarmed at surging populations of polar bears posing a risk to public safety, and have advanced plans to kill more polar bears to mitigate the…
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Fearandloathing said:
As usual, you SAY that but offer no proof.

Look, with Donald the Liar as your standard bearer, no one outside of the US is going to believe you even if it was true. There have been too many lies.

As I speak I am watching a re-run of the CBC documentary of last year "Where's The Bears?"

When you havew ****ign footage of an island being inundated it's impossible to take your propaganda seriously.

FFS, scientists in Sweden, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Canada have documented what we're talking about and yet you think you will be believed.

Like when you disputed my telling of the disappearing glacier, you've never seen one but can make the claim the one I used to hike has not disappeared.

And oh you also believe Canada has a surplus with the US.
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[h=1]Chukchi Sea polar bears number almost 3000 according to new survey results[/h][FONT=&quot]From Polar Bear Science Posted on September 3, 2018 | Chukchi Sea polar bears number almost 3000 according to new survey results The Chukchi Sea finally has a polar bear population estimate! According to survey results from 2016 only recently made public, about 2937 bears (1522-5944) currently inhabit the region, making this the largest subpopulation…
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No extirpation looms for Svalbard polar bears: no pending catastrophe in Norway

Posted on November 29, 2018 | Comments Offon No extirpation looms for Svalbard polar bears: no pending catastrophe in Norway
Despite a wild claim that a “slow Arctic freeze” this year increases the risk that polar bears will become extinct, sea ice charts show ice returning earlier than it has for decades everywhere except the Svalbard area of the Barents Sea. That’s good news for pregnant polar bears. Although Svalbard is without ice, that’s been true for so many years that pregnant Svalbard females long ago abandoned the use of islands they used in good ice years and now make their dens in the Franz Josef Land archipelago to the east (which is still within the Barents Sea subpopulation region). . . . .
 
CBC hypes “bleak” Churchill polar bear fate with unsupported claims & falsehoods

Posted on December 4, 2018 | Comments Offon CBC hypes “bleak” Churchill polar bear fate with unsupported claims & falsehoods
Over the weekend in Canada, the CBC ran a polar bear news feature that is now available online (“Polar bears in peril: the bleak future of Churchill bears,” The National, CBC, 3 December 2018). It gave polar bear biologist Nick Lunn of Environment Canada free rein to spread unsubstantiated claims and outright falsehoods about the status of Western Hudson Bay polar bears and sea ice. Apparently, he and the CBC learned nothing from National Geographic‘s fiasco over their ‘starving’ polar bear video last year: they still think the public will be swayed to “act” on human-caused global warming if a persuasive experttells them that polar bears are on their way to extinction. I expect many were convinced otherwise, since the facts are available for all to see.
No triplet litters born since 1996? Nonsense, as the photo below (from 2017) shows.
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The CBC video is described this way:
“They are a majestic icon of Canada’s North, but polar bears have also come to symbolize climate change. And scientists say the future for one particular population of polar bears in northern Manitoba is dire.“
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[h=2]Unfounded concern for polar bears from onshore oil exploration in Alaska[/h]Posted on December 3, 2018 | Comments Offon Unfounded concern for polar bears from onshore oil exploration in Alaska
Canadian biologist Andrew Derocher was called upon to promote his particularly pessimistic viewpoint on polar bear survival in a story published in the New York Times yesterday (2 December 2018: “Drilling in the Arctic: Questions for a Polar Bear Expert”). However, decades of evidence suggests that onshore oil exploration in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is unlikely to harm the few female bears that come ashore in Alaska to make maternity dens.
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Here is my rebuttal to Derocher’s claims, all of which I’ve dealt with previously.
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[h=2]Biologists escalate conflict over Inuit management of polar bear populations[/h]Posted on December 20, 2018 | Comments Offon Biologists escalate conflict over Inuit management of polar bear populations
Yesterday, two polar bear specialists and an inept freelance journalist poured gasoline on the already-volatile issue of polar bear managementin Nunavut.
Quote of the day: “I think there’s a reasonable chance that the last polar bear in Canada will be shot by an Inuk hunter.” [Andrew Derocher, University of Alberta]
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You have to read it to believe how bad the Yale Environment 360 article by Gloria Dickie (19 December 2018) really is: “As polar bear attacks increase in the Arctic, a search for solutions.” The title suggests a balanced treatment of the issue but the reality is far from that: gross inaccuracies in the descriptions of the two fatal attacks that took place this summer that can only be explained by sloppy research and what struck me as unbelievably nasty and racist commentary by polar bear specialist Andrew Derocher. But decide for yourself.
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