Netherlands put green bullshit to grave, plan 3 to 10 new nuclear power plants

[roguenuke]

Ok dr. strangelove you obviously didn't see the series chernobyl that the russian government did their best to cover-up.

Lol. Ive worked on nuclear reactors. Your basing info off a TV drama that has multiple issues for dramatic effect.

Chernobyl (miniseries) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even Chernoyl has vegetation and wildlife growing around it. It does not have glowing green waste.

Tell me again how many people have died from nuclear accidents?

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[Godric1970]

Nuclear power is very safe, compared to most other power sources and not nearly as "dirty" as many think.

Radioactive Wastes - Myths and Realities : World Nuclear Association - World Nuclear Association

News and information on nuclear power, nuclear energy, nuclear energy for sustainable development, uranium mining, uranium enrichment, nuclear generation of electricity, used fuel management, recycling and disposal, nuclear policies, new nuclear plant, nuclear energy development and climate...

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Please present evidence on claim about nuclear sites. Chernobyl allows for people in the area now.

And looking above, it appears most of your complaints are about money, costs, not effectiveness, safety, reliability, how green it is.

Cost of electricity by source - Wikipedia

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Guess which cost less, nuclear, coal, or natural gas?
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large parts of Chernobyl are still no go areas due to extremely high levels of radiation

those nuclear rods need to be stored for 15,000 hundreds of metres below the ground in special line tunnels when their life cycle is over ... the grounds surrounding Nuclear power stations are heavily contaminated especially around the reactors and the reactor materials also need to be buried far below ground in similar lined tunnels which cost a fortune its not just the cost of building them and running them the cost of deactivation and storing the materials used are every bit as costly ... you say nuclear energy is safe explain Windscale/Sellafield, Chernobyl, Fukishima .... the damage to the ecology due to the fukishima has been immense dumping millions of galleon of toxic water from the nuclear power plant into the Pacific has contaminated the ocean and the toxin spreading across the pacific and they want to dump 10s of millions of more toxic waste into the pacific that it will eventually pollute our seas as well ... the 3 mile Island, Enrico Fermi unit 1 , SL-1 all 3 in America and you say it's clean ... jesus wept

 

[Godric1970]

Lol. Ive worked on nuclear reactors. Your basing info off a TV drama that has multiple issues for dramatic effect.

Chernobyl (miniseries) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even Chernoyl has vegetation and wildlife growing around it. It does not have glowing green waste.

Tell me again how many people have died from nuclear accidents?

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they get cancers and leukaemia at a young deformities in children ... do you realise how many people died from Leukaemia and chancer in Ukraine and Belarus it's killed tens of thousands

 

[bongsaway]

That was run down crappy russian reactor, a total design flaw.

Do you want stop ocean going ships because of the RMS Titanic? Btw more people died on the Titanic than through Chernobyl.

There are areas on the world with higher natural radioactivity than in Chernobyl btw.

I have a shocking news for you. Banana are radioactive! They accumulate teh natural radium in their fruits. And coal ash i radioactive as well.

Hmmm, a banana when I eat one doesn't melt my hands or face. You seem to be the one with excuses for the negative part of nuclear and the titanic has zero to do with chernobyl.

 

[post]

The Greens are absolute nut jobs . Germany needs cheap power in order to manufacture competitively ...you are utterly dependent on selling already overpriced goods to countries that are in financial trouble due to the COVID debacle...

The greens are a German cancer, in the U.K. they are not taken seriously. In reality the Greens are a front for socialists....

Reality is cruel.... Here is the outcome to date, of the first attempt of a U.S. electrical generation, privately owned utility corp. to build the first new nuclear power generating plants in the U.S. since the 1970's , on an existing, longtime operating nuclear power generating site it already owned. It is not an attractive outcome, so far, and the issues of permanent waste disposal and longterm security are far from solved.

In fact, it is a horror show for rate payers, the losses have been partially socialized, forced on this utility's customers instead of being entirely absorbed by the private investors who already receive an above average, guaranteed return on all of their other investment in this corp.'s electrical generation ops.

The project is running six years behind schedule and estimated costs have nearly doubled. Go ahead and gamble that this is about stupid Americans
with no clue how to leverage their long experience building and operating the same technology at this same location.:

Vogtle Electric Generating Plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.....
"Two additional units utilizing Westinghouse AP1000 reactors are under construction.[10] Natural-draft type cooling towers were also selected, and the two new cooling towers are nearly 600 ft (180 m) tall. The units have suffered several delays and cost overruns. The certified construction & capital costs incurred by Georgia Power for these two new units were originally $14 billion, according to the Seventeenth Semi-annual Vogtle Construction Monitoring Report in 2017.[11] This last report blames the latest increase of costs on the contractor not completing work as scheduled. Another complicating factor in the construction process is the bankruptcy of Westinghouse in 2017.[12] In 2018 costs were estimated to be about $25 billion.[3] Upon completion of Units 3 and 4 in 2021, Vogtle will become the largest nuclear power station in the United States.[13] ...."

 

[roguenuke]

they get cancers and leukaemia at a young deformities in children ... do you realise how many people died from Leukaemia and chancer in Ukraine and Belarus it's killed tens of thousands

No it hasn't. Almost all the leukemia cancer cases were in adults, recovery workers on site for a disaster that is far, far less likely to occur now, in modern reactors with a much more safe design. There is an increase in thyroid cancers by thousands, from those exposed as children (it also took more than a day to order evacuation of the area). Thyroid cancer is rarely fatal. They estimate that maybe 4000 more deaths due to cancer from that incident, from Chernobyl.

30 years since Chernobyl and 5 years since Fukushima – What have we learnt? - Cancer Research UK - Cancer news

30 years after Chernobyl and five years after Fukushima, we’re taking a look at what has been learnt about radiation-linked cancers.

scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org

We also have increased screening in those areas around Chernobyl, which in itself is likely to increase found cancer cases.

Trends in Solid Tumor Incidence in Ukraine 30 Years After Chernobyl | JCO Global Oncology

PURPOSE There is limited knowledge of the long-term health effects of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant accident that occurred more than 30 years ago in Ukraine. This study describes trends in the incidence of solid organ malignancy in Ukraine and the five regions most affected by the...

ascopubs.org

However we learned an awful lot from Chernobyl and even other incidents about handling nuclear reactors, nuclear reactors, and nuclear incidents/accidents. Newer reactors, evenany built before the Chernoyl disaster, are built safer than Chernobyl.

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[Rostocker]

Hmmm, a banana when I eat one doesn't melt my hands or face. You seem to be the one with excuses for the negative part of nuclear and the titanic has zero to do with chernobyl.

Sorry, we talk on two levels. I speak scientific, you schamanic. There is no way we find common ground.

I never discuss with people who dont reach my intellectual capacity. I simply tell them and send them their way.

Have a nice day.

 

[Rostocker]

Reality is cruel.... Here is the outcome to date, of the first attempt of a U.S. electrical generation, privately owned utility corp. to build the first new nuclear power generating plants in the U.S. since the 1970's , on an existing, longtime operating nuclear power generating site it already owned. It is not an attractive outcome, so far, and the issues of permanent waste disposal and longterm security are far from solved.

In fact, it is a horror show for rate payers, the losses have been partially socialized, forced on this utility's customers instead of being entirely absorbed by the private investors who already receive an above average, guaranteed return on all of their other investment in this corp.'s electrical generation ops.

The project is running six years behind schedule and estimated costs have nearly doubled. Go ahead and gamble that this is about stupid Americans
with no clue how to leverage their long experience building and operating the same technology at this same location.:

Vogtle Electric Generating Plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.....
"Two additional units utilizing Westinghouse AP1000 reactors are under construction.[10] Natural-draft type cooling towers were also selected, and the two new cooling towers are nearly 600 ft (180 m) tall. The units have suffered several delays and cost overruns. The certified construction & capital costs incurred by Georgia Power for these two new units were originally $14 billion, according to the Seventeenth Semi-annual Vogtle Construction Monitoring Report in 2017.[11] This last report blames the latest increase of costs on the contractor not completing work as scheduled. Another complicating factor in the construction process is the bankruptcy of Westinghouse in 2017.[12] In 2018 costs were estimated to be about $25 billion.[3] Upon completion of Units 3 and 4 in 2021, Vogtle will become the largest nuclear power station in the United States.[13] ...."

I rather spend money to run nuclear power plants than sink that money in some african 3rd world shitholes food programs.

 

[roguenuke]

Hmmm, a banana when I eat one doesn't melt my hands or face. You seem to be the one with excuses for the negative part of nuclear and the titanic has zero to do with chernobyl.

Radiation doesn't melt your face and hands. If you want to get a more realistic view of what radiation does in high acute doses, watch K19 Widowmaker, since you seem to be getting info on this from movies and TV. You will start vomiting and bleeding from your eyes and other body parts first, along with what looks like burns, and that is with high exposure, within feet of an operating reactor without any secondary shielding.

What does radiation from a nuclear disaster actually do to our bodies?

Atomic weapons and nuclear accidents like those at Chernobyl and Fukushima have made sure we all know that nuclear radiation can kill. But how exactly does it affect our body? ABC Science's Bernie Hobbs explains the basics.

www.abc.net.au

Radiation Sickness - NORD (National Organization for Rare Disorders)

rarediseases.org

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[post]

I rather spend money to run nuclear power plants than sink that money in some african 3rd world shitholes food programs.

Eloquent!
BTW, my wife's aunt was a Rostock resident. After WWII, she lived in the same apartment until her death 15 years ago. She and alll
of her neighbors were forced to provide their own labor to construct the building. She was not free to visit the U.S. until she turned 65 and had
retired as a secretary at the local stasi office. Her job provided her some slight privilege, and her sister, my mother-in-law sent her money she could spend
at local "dollar stores" that sold difficult to obtain goods beyond the purchasing power of those without access to dollars.

It was a dreary existence in a coal polluted environment. If you were born before 1960, you have my empathy. Consider dialing down your political orientation, those you seem to resent are not your enemy. The pre-1989 regime was the oppressor. The pre-1946, extreme right regime was the oppressor.

 

[Rostocker]

Eloquent!
BTW, my wife's aunt was a Rostock resident. After WWII, she lived in the same apartment until her death 15 years ago. She and alll
of her neighbors were forced to provide their own labor to construct the building. She was not free to visit the U.S. until she turned 65 and had
retired as a secretary at the local stasi office. Her job provided her some slight privilege, and her sister, my mother-in-law sent her money she could spend
at local "dollar stores" that sold difficult to obtain goods beyond the purchasing power of those without access to dollars.

It was a dreary existence in a coal polluted environment. If you were born before 1960, you have my empathy. Consider dialing down your political orientation, those you seem to resent are not your enemy. The pre-1989 regime was the oppressor. The pre-1946, extreme right regime was the oppressor.

I dont know why you tell me this. I am 24 years old. Born after german reunion.

But to take some steam out of your tale from the past, yes eastern Germany under communist regime was not suepr duper. But nobody had to starve, there was enough food, evryone has a house and medical treatment was good as well.

And there were no "Dollar stores". There were stores called "Intershop", where you could buy stuff for west german Deutsche Mark.

 

[Luce]

Nuclear energy is just as green as wind and solar.

 

[Luce]

Ok dr. strangelove you obviously didn't see the series chernobyl that the russian government did their best to cover-up.

That series was crap, factually-speaking.

 

[roguenuke]

large parts of Chernobyl are still no go areas due to extremely high levels of radiation

those nuclear rods need to be stored for 15,000 hundreds of metres below the ground in special line tunnels when their life cycle is over ... the grounds surrounding Nuclear power stations are heavily contaminated especially around the reactors and the reactor materials also need to be buried far below ground in similar lined tunnels which cost a fortune its not just the cost of building them and running them the cost of deactivation and storing the materials used are every bit as costly ... you say nuclear energy is safe explain Windscale/Sellafield, Chernobyl, Fukishima .... the damage to the ecology due to the fukishima has been immense dumping millions of galleon of toxic water from the nuclear power plant into the Pacific has contaminated the ocean and the toxin spreading across the pacific and they want to dump 10s of millions of more toxic waste into the pacific that it will eventually pollute our seas as well ... the 3 mile Island, Enrico Fermi unit 1 , SL-1 all 3 in America and you say it's clean ... jesus wept

3 Mile Island killed no one. Very few have died from nuclear power reactor incidents compared to other forms of power generation.

Safety of Nuclear Reactors - World Nuclear Association

Safety of Nuclear Power Reactors. The risks from western nuclear power plants, in terms of the consequences of an accident or terrorist attack, are minimal compared with other commonly accepted risks. Nuclear power plants are very robust. News and information on nuclear power, nuclear energy...

www.world-nuclear.org

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I'm saying they are not the no go zones you exaggerate here. And that spent nuclear fuel can be reprocessed. It can be used for future reactors. Newer fuels are even less prone to waste.

Please support assertions that nuclear facilities pollute the areas for tens of thousands of years.

Fukushima could have done the same with almost any power source. And most of its effects were exagerated propaganda.

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[vegas giants]

Nuclear energy is just as green as wind and solar.

Until it explodes

 

[bongsaway]

Sorry, we talk on two levels. I speak scientific, you schamanic. There is no way we find common ground.

I never discuss with people who dont reach my intellectual capacity. I simply tell them and send them their way.

Have a nice day.

Thank you.

 

[roguenuke]

Until it explodes

Nuclear reactors generally meltdown. The exploding type were rare and have become highly obsolete.

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[bongsaway]

Radiation doesn't melt your face and hands. If you want to get a more realistic view of what radiation does in high acute doses, watch K19 Widowmaker, since you seem to be getting info on this from movies and TV. You will start vomiting and bleeding from your eyes and other body parts first, along with what looks like burns, and that is with high exposure, within feet of an operating reactor without any secondary shielding.

What does radiation from a nuclear disaster actually do to our bodies?

Atomic weapons and nuclear accidents like those at Chernobyl and Fukushima have made sure we all know that nuclear radiation can kill. But how exactly does it affect our body? ABC Science's Bernie Hobbs explains the basics.

www.abc.net.au

Radiation Sickness - NORD (National Organization for Rare Disorders)

rarediseases.org

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I've seen it and actual films after hiroshima. You got the gist didn't you? Burned so badly they look almost melted.

 

[bongsaway]

That series was crap, factually-speaking.

And you know this how? It looked pretty accurate from other things I've seen.

 

[vegas giants]

Nuclear reactors generally meltdown. The exploding type were rare and have become highly obsolete.

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I'm not sure a meltdown is a good thing either

 

[Rostocker]

I've seen it and actual films after hiroshima. You got the gist didn't you? Burned so badly they look almost melted.

That was a nuclear bomb. The "melting" happens because the heat.

 

[roguenuke]

large parts of Chernobyl are still no go areas due to extremely high levels of radiation

those nuclear rods need to be stored for 15,000 hundreds of metres below the ground in special line tunnels when their life cycle is over ... the grounds surrounding Nuclear power stations are heavily contaminated especially around the reactors and the reactor materials also need to be buried far below ground in similar lined tunnels which cost a fortune its not just the cost of building them and running them the cost of deactivation and storing the materials used are every bit as costly ... you say nuclear energy is safe explain Windscale/Sellafield, Chernobyl, Fukishima .... the damage to the ecology due to the fukishima has been immense dumping millions of galleon of toxic water from the nuclear power plant into the Pacific has contaminated the ocean and the toxin spreading across the pacific and they want to dump 10s of millions of more toxic waste into the pacific that it will eventually pollute our seas as well ... the 3 mile Island, Enrico Fermi unit 1 , SL-1 all 3 in America and you say it's clean ... jesus wept

Let's look at some of the other incidents/accidents you mentioned.

Fermi Rx 1 - small incident, fast response, quick cleanup no real effects. No deaths or injuries

https://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/decommissioning/power-reactor/enrico-fermi-atomic-power-plant-unit-1.html#:~:text=Fermi%201%20was%20a%20fast,Core%20A)%20was%20200%20Mwt

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SL1 - was an experimental reactor in the early 60s meant to test capability of small scale, portable reactors and led to the basic, unofficial determination that it might not be a good idea to let Soldiers or Seabees (the Navy has nuclear trained operators, who arent Seabees) operate reactors that require moving control rods at all by hand

SL-1 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Windscale was in 1957, the infancy of nuclear power and may have contributed to an estimated 100 additional cancer deaths. Smoking and coal are far more dangerous.

Windscale Piles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Note how the most recent one you have is Fukishima, the rest being decades older and so few actual deaths. Almost all deaths from nuclear accidents are assumed and still altogether less than Covid 19 deaths just for the US.

Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And only 1 death can be associated with Fukishima nuclear power plant.




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[roguenuke]

I've seen it and actual films after hiroshima. You got the gist didn't you? Burned so badly they look almost melted.

Nuclear bombs are not the same as nuclear reactor accidents. Nuclear bombs cause actual heat, explosive force/pressure.

And no, they are not the same thing.

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[roguenuke]

I'm not sure a meltdown is a good thing either

But there are safety precautions in place to help prevent them, both automatic and operator based.

Any source of electricity, power has the chance of causing major environmental and explosive problems. There are none more regulated than nuclear power.

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[vegas giants]

But there are safety precautions in place to help prevent them, both automatic and operator based.

Any source of electricity, power has the chance of causing major environmental and explosive problems. There are none more regulated than nuclear power.

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Thousands died from Fukushima and Chernobyl


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