...and denial....don't forget "i never said that..."
it's about wining arguments, not debate. Image over substance, make claims then deny you made them, all very subtly.
The soft underbelly of the anti-israel camp in the us has always disgusted me. As much as i hate racists, at least i know a kkk member is going to hate israel, not claim impartiality while supporting a president whose policies will lead to the nation's destruction. My god, do any of you know the implications of moving back to 1967's borders in today's missile happy world? They were barely able to stop the tanks then.
No, with obama as with most of his recklessness, he has exposed the ugly underbelly of anti-semitism in america.
Everything can change, but if we're looking at precedent - since that's all we have - then your point is moot. Now tell me exactly why Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development.
Everything can change, but if we're looking at precedent - since that's all we have - then your point is moot. Now tell me exactly why Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development.
No my point is relevant as the USA has gotten involved in the affairs of other nations before costing blood and treasure .
No my point is relevant as the USA has gotten involved in the affairs of other nations before costing blood and treasure .
No it isn't. We aren't talking about generic nations. We're talking about one specific nation - Israel. Show me one time where the US has invested blood in the defense of Israel. And while you're at it, answer the question I asked you about the reason for Obama's negotiation with Iran, which you ignored.
and America has saved millions of lives,,, more then any other country in history...
I sense Israel woudl save more if the would would let Isreal unleash morality in the region...Israel woudl ahve destroyed ISIS in 3 days..
I cannot show you that other than the financial and military aid we have given them. And lets keep it that way.
Good grief, man, from where do you get your news?
So your point about blood is moot. Now, answer the question concerning the exact reason Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development. You keep avoiding it for some strange reason.
No - my worries about getting involved in something that spirals out of control are very real and not at all moot.
You confuse me with Obama.I am not him and do not answer for him.
Your comment about Americans dying in defense of Israel was incredibly wrong. What you worry about is your problem and not necessarily grounded in reality.
So you have no idea why this country is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development, but you have fears concerning the outcome of those negotiations. Can you describe your fears - besides the already unfounded one you've mentioned.
There are things I know a great deal about. Our foreign policy with Israel is NOT one of them so you have me at a disadvantage. I freely admit that.
I am not positing here as any authority on the subject - only as a concerned American who does not want his nation to get involved in fighting another nations battles.
My suspicion - based only on the news and what I read - is that Bibi was a right winger who is not willing to make peace with the Palestinians and other nations and instead holds the hard line. That is my impression.
Ah, so even though you admit you're not really up on things there, you're concerned because Bibi is a "right winger" who doesn't want to make peace with the people who as recently as last year launched an unprovoked missile attack on his country. How dare he not want to make peace with them. Israel gave them the land they launched the attacks from, BTW. Yes, Israel took it from them the last time an attack originated from that region. What more would you like for that "right winger" to do? There's been no change in the leadership within the Palestinians, and they continue to vow the destruction of Israel as their objective. What should Israel do? And we aren't involved in fighting Israel's battles - that has already been established - so what should the Israelis do?
Some of the reaction in this country led by the rhetoric of the current occupant in the WH shows just how anti Israel many in this country are. Israel is the best Ally the U.S. has in the Region and the country closest to being a democracy yet Obama and his Administration continue to show their incompetence as well as true colors. Is there anyone here who can honestly claim that Radical Islam wants Israel to exist? Looks to me like we have a lot of radical Islam supporters here in this country as well.
I gave you my thoughts that you asked for.
I think what you have to understand is Israel is just one small country, maybe a little bigger than New Jersey or something and somehow, they got the power of a country the size of America and the only real reasons are for religious and location reasons, something most of our other allies don't share. With that, you have to understand that in order to get the entire region to play nice, you can't just play nice with one country you have to get them all to play nice right?
You think that radical Islam is going to play "nice" with Israel, ever? Israel has a population of approximately 8 million surrounded by a billion people many of whom live under a charter that calls for their total destruction. Don't know about you, but my support is for a true ally not a bunch of radical nuts who hate Israel more than they love their own kids.
Yes, but you never bothered to address the negotiation deal. That's fine. If you don't know, then you don't know. The mere thought of a "right winger" standing up for the nation he leads bothers you. If the person leading Israel was a "left winger" standing up for the nation he leads, that wouldn't. It's all about ideology, then. You know, Golda Meir was the leader of Israel during the Yom Kippur War.
I think you are seriously misinformed. I know quite a few jews and Palestinians personally in the Cincinnati area and while many of them are prejudice towards one another, others seek common ground. What you are suggesting about being surrounded by radicals, is like if I said every single person in Ohio is an asshole. Sure most of them are, but I got a lot of family and friends there too, and a lot of them I can find common ground with. Many people, younger people specifically in Iran for example think more like Americans than you would probably care to know.
The long dead Meir or Bibi - I really don't care. All I did was provide my two cents as an American who does not want to see us get sucked into something that spirals out of control. Period.
Well, Golda was a "left winger", and she presided over war. So the meme that because Bibi is a "right winger", and that means he's a war monger doesn't hold water, either. BTW, Likud is not the most right wing party in Israel, by any stretch. I do share your sentiment that hostilities in the ME should be reduced. I'm simply concerned about the price of that peace and the likelihood that negotiating a peace now only postpones a more murderous future.
I think what you have to understand is Israel is just one small country, maybe a little bigger than New Jersey or something and somehow, they got the power of a country the size of America and the only real reasons are for religious and location reasons, something most of our other allies don't share. With that, you have to understand that in order to get the entire region to play nice, you can't just play nice with one country you have to get them all to play nice right?
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Frankly I thought maybe Netanyahu wasn't going to win. But then the average Israeli probably looks at him differently.
My suspicion - based only on the news and what I read - is that Bibi was a right winger who is not willing to make peace with the Palestinians and other nations and instead holds the hard line. That is my impression. And we as his top ally and military power just might be the one to save his ass should his mouth overload his ability to deliver.
That is my fear.
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