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Neo-Nazi Group Patrolling Ariz. Border

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But local law enforcement authorities are nervous given that Ready's group is heavily armed and identifies with the National Socialist Movement, an organization that believes only non-Jewish, white heterosexuals should be American citizens and that everyone who isn't white should leave the country "peacefully or by force."
This part of my link says it all. What I want to know is if the Arizona government is going to put a stop to this group, or if it is going to turn a blind eye to a swastika wearing group that would, in a heartbeat, fire up the ovens for the Jews again, if given half a chance. Whether or not you believe that Arizona is doing the right thing with its new laws, you certainly don't want scum like these patrolling the border. This is America, dammit!! Send these slimeballs back to Stormfront, where they belong.

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This part of my link says it all. What I want to know is if the Arizona government is going to put a stop to this group, or if it is going to turn a blind eye to a swastika wearing group that would, in a heartbeat, fire up the ovens for the Jews again, if given half a chance. Whether or not you believe that Arizona is doing the right thing with its new laws, you certainly don't want scum like these patrolling the border. This is America, dammit!! Send these slimeballs back to Stormfront, where they belong.

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Like it or not, they aren't breaking the law.

We don't need thought police, not even for wannabe Nazi's.
 

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Like it or not, they aren't breaking the law.

We don't need thought police, not even for wannabe Nazi's.
OK, would you be cool with the New Black Panther party patrolling the suburbs of Atlanta?
 

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Like it or not, they aren't breaking the law.

We don't need thought police, not even for wannabe Nazi's.
So what you're saying is we should wait for them to shoot people?
 

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Yeah but the difference is he's not a repeat car theft being hired at a Benz dealership for security.
 

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Yeah but the difference is he's not a repeat car theft being hired at a Benz dealership for security.
Do you know the personal criminal records of all these individuals?
Most likely you prefer to jump on the bandwagon of "guilty until proven innocent for people I don't like."
 

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Car bombing now seems to have come into style down Mexico way, we now should lock our borders up tight and the more eyes we have the better after all we all will share the same interest regardless who we are, that is security. Mexico might as well be in a state of war and when a country is in this situation the countries that Mexico borders with needs to seal things up tight until the storm passes. Other than this situation I would agree with danarhea.
 

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This part of my link says it all. What I want to know is if the Arizona government is going to put a stop to this group, or if it is going to turn a blind eye to a swastika wearing group that would, in a heartbeat, fire up the ovens for the Jews again, if given half a chance. Whether or not you believe that Arizona is doing the right thing with its new laws, you certainly don't want scum like these patrolling the border. This is America, dammit!! Send these slimeballs back to Stormfront, where they belong.

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When I first saw the thread title I either thought another stupid lib trying to smear the minutemen or that is some stupid lib who wrote the article that is trying to smear the minutemen. But then I saw the thread starter and a little bit of the article and realized they are talking about people who call themselves nazis.
 

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When I first saw the thread title I either thought another stupid lib trying to smear the minutemen or that is some stupid lib who wrote the article that is trying to smear the minutemen. But then I saw the thread starter and a little bit of the article and realized they are talking about people who call themselves nazis.
Nope, I wouldn't smear minutemen. However, with Nazis, I call it like it is. These guys give the militias a bad name.
 

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When I first saw the thread title I either thought another stupid lib trying to smear the minutemen or that is some stupid lib who wrote the article that is trying to smear the minutemen. But then I saw the thread starter and a little bit of the article and realized they are talking about people who call themselves nazis.
It is an attempt to smear others (MinuteMen etc.), as similar to these guys, which these particular people haven't done anything wrong in the first place.
 
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This part of my link says it all. What I want to know is if the Arizona government is going to put a stop to this group, or if it is going to turn a blind eye to a swastika wearing group that would, in a heartbeat, fire up the ovens for the Jews again, if given half a chance. Whether or not you believe that Arizona is doing the right thing with its new laws, you certainly don't want scum like these patrolling the border. This is America, dammit!! Send these slimeballs back to Stormfront, where they belong.

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So what legal grounds/enforcements methods are you proposing? Presumably they are legal as is. I hate the idea of them being out there, but short of re-tooling gun laws, I'm not sure what would change the situation.
 

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I'm actually worried for the Neo Nazi's. They're not very intelligent to start with and now they're wandering the deserts looking for illegal immigrants when more likely they'll run into smugglers and get shot from a mile away.
 

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If the local LEO can't accomplish the goal of protecting the local citizenry, and the State/Fed won't do anything, what do you do? There is obviously a clear and present threat to the local populace.
 

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I'm actually worried for the Neo Nazi's. They're not very intelligent to start with and now they're wandering the deserts looking for illegal immigrants when more likely they'll run into smugglers and get shot from a mile away.
we can only hope
 

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It is an attempt to smear others (MinuteMen etc.), as similar to these guys, which these particular people haven't done anything wrong in the first place.
I know these people haven't done anything illegal.Some people do not care where help comes from and others do care where that help comes from seeing how it give the impression that you are giving credence to groups you may be opposed to if you accept their aid.
 

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This part of my link says it all. What I want to know is if the Arizona government is going to put a stop to this group, or if it is going to turn a blind eye to a swastika wearing group that would, in a heartbeat, fire up the ovens for the Jews again, if given half a chance. Whether or not you believe that Arizona is doing the right thing with its new laws, you certainly don't want scum like these patrolling the border. This is America, dammit!! Send these slimeballs back to Stormfront, where they belong.

Article is here
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I'm going to play the Devil's advocate here and say that the government can't do anything. These cats are just excercising their right to free expression. I mean, that's the excuse that was used to let the Philly Panthers walk, right?
 

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I'm actually worried for the Neo Nazi's. They're not very intelligent to start with and now they're wandering the deserts looking for illegal immigrants when more likely they'll run into smugglers and get shot from a mile away.
And on the bright side, they'll all just kill each other.
 
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I'm going to play the Devil's advocate here and say that the government can't do anything.
Well seeing as how the government hasn't done anything, I'd say you're probably right on this count.
These cats are just excercising their right to free expression.
More like their right to bear arms. I don't think they're making a political statment.
I mean, that's the excuse that was used to let the Philly Panthers walk, right?
AFAIK the issues with the Philly Panthers have more to do with allegations against the justice department and the enforcement of voting rights laws. I don't see the connect here. If anyone is excusing what the Panthers were accused of doing, I'm not sure what it is.
 

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I know these people haven't done anything illegal.Some people do not care where help comes from and others do care where that help comes from seeing how it give the impression that you are giving credence to groups you may be opposed to if you accept their aid.
My beef is that there are people who are more than happy to possibly jail or get the authorities to do something to some people who haven't broken the law.

I'm not affiliated with the National Socialist movement in anyway but at the same time I don't want them thrown in jail because of their beliefs, no matter how repugnant they may be.
 

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Do you know the personal criminal records of all these individuals?
Most likely you prefer to jump on the bandwagon of "guilty until proven innocent for people I don't like."
OK, so we take a group that adores Adolf Hitler, and is racist as hell, and we give them the right to do law enforcement? Not in MY country we don't.
 

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OK, so we take a group that adores Adolf Hitler, and is racist as hell, and we give them the right to do law enforcement? Not in MY country we don't.
Well Dana I know your at least part Jew, like me, and even though these guys would be more than happy to see our asses out of here, I'd like to think that supporting their right to assemble peaceably and their right to free speech is more important than any individual getting offended.

So far they haven't done anything violent, in fact they have notified the border patrol when they have encounter illegal border crossings, including giving those illegal aliens water.

They aren't exactly flipping on the gas chambers.
 

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OK, so we take a group that adores Adolf Hitler, and is racist as hell, and we give them the right to do law enforcement? Not in MY country we don't.
Are they actually doing law enforcement? I don't like these guys any more then you, but they haven't broken any laws. They are effectively little more then heavily armed neighborhood watch. And like you and Harry, I'm not exactly on their welcome list either.
 

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Just another example of how frustrated the American people are with our government's blind eye to illegal immigration. We don't arrest people for being Nazis. If they are licensed to carry firearms, what are they doing wrong? They're hiking in the dessert. Our government is not securing our borders. I see nothing wrong with these wanna-be's patrolling the 'neighborhood.' Unless and until one or more of them break the law.
 
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