Phoenix
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WASHINGTON, Dec. 19 (UPI) -- U.S. Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., the lone Democratic senator holding out against a healthcare reform compromise, said Saturday he now backs the measure.
Asked by The Washington Post if he was prepared to support a final version of the bill unveiled by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, Nelson said, "Yeah."
"We're there," Sen. Kent Conrad. D-N.D., told the newspaper Saturday as he headed into a special meeting to announce the deal, which, with Nelson now on board, would clear the way for its final passage by Christmas, the newspaper said.
Higher Insurance Premiums for all!!!!
and to all a good ****ing!!!
Merry Christmas!!!
“Today is a major step forward for the American people. After a nearly century-long struggle we are on the cusp of making healthcare reform a reality in the United States of America.” — President Barack Obama¹
Huzzah!
If Obama's leftist healthcare reform was something that the American people really wanted all these years, there wouldn't have ever been any considerable "struggle" to pass it.
The "struggle" has always been to cloak the desires of the power-mad central-planners as being something for the good of the people.
The Democrats have embraced “big tent” politics, so major initiatives are often quite challenging when not a single vote can be spared. At the end of the day (year?) progress has been achieved and we should be grateful for that.
Proof please? And please no unsubstantiated claims by the insurance companies. :lol:
It's hard to provide since no one has seen the actual bill except Harry Reid and Co.
Wrong Bucko. Lots of special interest groups that have profits to lose from reform has a lot to do with the opposition.
They have the funding and backing (congress critters getting money) for lots of misinformation which gets desseminated to the public, which some sadly are very easy to confuse due to laziness, partisanship, and just plain uninformed.
What a panty load. :lol:
“If we don't do this, nobody argues with the fact that health care costs are going to consume the entire federal budget.” — President Barack Obama¹
“If we don't pass it, here's the guarantee: Your premiums will go up, your employers are going to load up more costs on you ... Potentially they're going to drop your coverage, because they just can't afford an increase of 25 percent, 30 percent in terms of the costs of providing health care to employees each and every year.” — President Barack Obama²
The clear and present danger to liberty is the status quo.
So true Chappy. And great changes in this country have never been popular to all like freeing slaves, civil rights, desegregation, the list goes on and on. Usually the right thing is not easy either.
“If we don't do this, nobody argues with the fact that health care costs are going to consume the entire federal budget.” — President Barack Obama¹
“If we don't pass it, here's the guarantee: Your premiums will go up, your employers are going to load up more costs on you ... Potentially they're going to drop your coverage, because they just can't afford an increase of 25 percent, 30 percent in terms of the costs of providing health care to employees each and every year.” — President Barack Obama²
The clear and present danger to liberty is the status quo.
So you are just speculating then when you said, "Higher Insurance Premiums for all!!!!" ?:mrgreen:
The claim that opposition to the Statists' healthcare objectives denotes a desire to maintain the status quo is a demonstrable straw-man.
If he lets it consume the entire federal budget he's a bigger idiot that I initially thought. …
And yet the opposition to this bill provided no alternatives, just obstruction: sounds like an endorsement of the status quo to me.
So true Chappy. And great changes in this country have never been popular to all like freeing slaves, civil rights, desegregation, the list goes on and on. Usually the right thing is not easy either.
How dare you slander the American people, who came out in droves in opposition to this agenda, in such a way?
What a strawman.
Freeing slaves and civil rights are about honoring a person right to their labor.
This health care is about taking away people's right to their labor.
The claim that opposition to the Statists' healthcare objectives denotes a desire to maintain the status quo is a demonstrable straw-man.
Not really. You mean the fabricated claims of the attendance at the "Tea party" that was orchestrated by the right wing FAUX news or the misinformed and purposely disruptive few at the town hall meetings? I loved your obviously well informed woman that chanted she didn't want the government to get it's hands on Medicare. Hey lady! Medicare is the government! :doh And then there was the genius that asked Barny Frank a Jew why he was supporting a "Nazi policy?" I'm sorry I refuse to insult the American people and try and sell the sham that this is MOST of the people. If it is we are in deep trouble.
Some of you people keep telling the rest of us that MOST PEOPLE are against health care reform just because you are not for it. Just saying it's so doesn't make it so.
How ridiculous of an argument. The status quo is exactly what some want and make no bones about saying so. How it can't be part of this debate and inappropriately be called a straw-man is absurd. Do you even know what a straw-man is?
… If there was a movement in congress to ban cars to reduce the number of fatal auto accidents each year, would you be consistent and say that anyone opposed to the banning of automobiles were just endorsing the status quo?
Talk about straw men.
I would be consistent in opposing the banning of automobiles which is an extreme, counterproductive and unrealistic solution and in doing so, offering alternative solutions for improving auto safety and reducing accidents by such things as endorsing crumple zone mandates, passive restraint mandates, restrictions on the sale of particularly dangerous vehicles, allocations of money towards improving roads, etc., etc.
But, in the face of a clear hazard to our society, such as that posed by the health care crisis is today, to offer nothing towards its resolution, indeed, to delay, distract and dismiss all possible efforts to address that hazard is to be irresponsible in the extreme. It is an endorsement to suffer the consequences of that hazard, which in the case of the health care crisis means the early deaths of tens of thousands of Americans each year.
Today, the Democratic Party is moving forward with a plan to begin the process of addressing the health care crisis and we all should be grateful for that.
“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” — Sir Winston Churchill, November 1942
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