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Negotiating "under threat"

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The government practically runs itself. Congress passes CR after CR. CR's simply say "continue to spend as you've spent in the past." Basically they say, do almost whatever you want, Mr. president. CR's are lazy and wasteful. The only other thing Obama needs from congress is to raise the debt ceiling from time to time, because the spending rate is so out of control. One must be having a heck of a party to have a $16T debt ceiling and say, "that's not enough, give me more?" Regardless, the president is having his nice party at our expense and he only needs congress once or twice a year.

Congress is equally important to the president under our constitution. Under our constitution, the House initiates all spending. When exactly should the House ask for things it wants, if not when the president needs the House? Because, guess what? The president doesn't care one whit about what the House wants the rest of the year. This is the one time the president needs the House and it's the House's one chance all year to get something they need. So yes Mr. president, now is the time to negotiate. The president even gets a two-for-one sale this time, because the CR and debt-ceiling coincide.

It's not a threat, it's not blackmail. It's giving a little to get a little. Yes, Obamacare was passed, but it wasn't funded. If you want it funded too, make a deal. It's the way our system works. Maybe you should have been watching and learning, instead of smoking dope all those years, Mr. president?

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The government practically runs itself. Congress passes CR after CR. CR's simply say "continue to spend as you've spent in the past." Basically they say, do almost whatever you want, Mr. president. CR's are lazy and wasteful. The only other thing Obama needs from congress is to raise the debt ceiling from time to time, because the spending rate is so out of control. One must be having a heck of a party to have a $16T debt ceiling and say, "that's not enough, give me more?" Regardless, the president is having his nice party at our expense and he only needs congress once or twice a year.

Congress is equally important to the president under our constitution. Under our constitution, the House initiates all spending. When exactly should the House ask for things it wants, if not when the president needs the House? Because, guess what? The president doesn't care one whit about what the House wants the rest of the year. This is the one time the president needs the House and it's the House's one chance all year to get something they need. So yes Mr. president, now is the time to negotiate. The president even gets a two-for-one sale this time, because the CR and debt-ceiling coincide.

It's not a threat, it's not blackmail. It's giving a little to get a little. Yes, Obamacare was passed, but it wasn't funded. If you want it funded too, make a deal. It's the way our system works. Maybe you should have been watching and learning, instead of smoking dope all those years, Mr. president?

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That is not accurate the way you seem to think. Even without a CR, Obamacare will still go forward into full implementation as it was in the pre-debt ceiling math in the same way that food stamps will continue on for awhile because they were already baked into the books that put us at the debt ceiling. On the opposite side, we can still manage a technical default within the bond structure as the only debt that defaults are the bonds that come due and payable. There is so much misinformation on both sides of this issue, it really it pointless to discuss. The world will not end if there is no deal.
 

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The president wants something, the House wants things. If that's not a recipe for a deal, I don't know what is. Ego and hubris often get in the way of deals though. I'm pointing out that it's the president's ego and hubris, in this case. Believe me, the House knows how to make deals. Inexperienced Obama may not, but the speaker does. The president won't get a pure CR or debt ceiling raise and Ted Cruz won't get everything he wants, but the president doesn't have to deal with Ted Cruz directly, he gets the much more flexible speaker Boehner.

I'm not advocating for a deal, though. The president can stew in his magnificent glory all he wants. The shut-down is entirely the president's fault, though. It ends when he doffs his kingly garb and deigns to negotiate with the lowly speaker. There's simply nobody to blame other than the president himself for this one.

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I'm not advocating for a deal, though. The president can stew in his magnificent glory all he wants. The shut-down is entirely the president's fault, though. It ends when he doffs his kingly garb and deigns to negotiate with the lowly speaker. There's simply nobody to blame other than the president himself for this one.

Exactly right. That seems to get lost in the cloud of spin coming from the tamestream media.
 
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