Nearly Half of Young Americans Believe US Is Racist and Not 'Greatest' Country, Survey Finds

[TU Curmudgeon]

Rather than sloppy I’d suggest that was entirely intentional so that whatever the actual results, they’d be able to spin some eye-catching headlines from them to grab valuable mainstream media coverage and promote their pre-determined conclusions.

I know, but (contrary to my usual practice) I was being polite to fools and liars.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Maybe this means that the younger generation is more aware of the crimes of government. After all, this is the Age Of Snowden and Assange. This is the age of perpetual war brought under fraud and maybe the younger generation is aware of that.

Actually what it does mean, once you examine the methodology and substance of the poll is that the poll was (as another has pointed out) likely specifically designed and conducted to provide data which could be interpreted to show a predetermined conclusion.

 

[upsideguy]

If those poll results are accurate, then people under 38 years of age are, well, "misinformed."

In fact, the United States of America in 2018 is the probably the least "racist" and least "sexist" nation in this world.


No nation in the world goes as far as the United States of America in according rights (and some privileges) to ALL ethnicities and women.

Please provide cite for that statement...

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Pretty telling that this generation of young adults would see the U.S. flag as a sign of intolerance and hatred. I'm betting this might be different if a leftist were their president.
Liberal academia...Racism and hate are the most overused words used today. Code for I don't like your opinion.

Snowflakes.

Drawing ANY conclusion based on that poll is about as "safe" as doing a bellyflop off the sixth floor into an empty swimming pool, and almost as intelligent.

 

[Higgins86]

World is getting smaller everyday and this generation see's more than ever, Its not just in the US either I see it over here in the UK as well. Young people looking to more progressive countries like New Zealand, Norway etc where people get more time off and a better quality of life in general. I also think the goalposts have shifted a lot in the last 20 years with what drives people. The big house and the white picket fence dream is outdated.

 

[Higgins86]

I agree with much of what you said... at the beginning.

As to American exceptionalism, America is exceptional. Organizing disparate peoples under a government in itself is exceptional, ask the cavemen and women, ask wandering peoples, ask the strong individual Indian tribes that fought with and were finally defeated by a unified state.

The nation organized as the United States is more exceptional that all the other exceptionals.

You see, our founders and framers were not beaten by the Crown, did not remain as subjects as did Canadians... not that y'all didnt turn out fine, but we are different and by far and way more exceptional up to this juncture in the planet's history.

You think America is the only country that fought and defeated oppression?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Correction: American leadership is a disgrace!
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The American leadership is selected by the American voters in American elections conducted by American officials pursuant to American law passed in accordance with the American constitution.

That means, of course, that, since the word "people" does not appear in that statement, the American people have nothing to do with the situation concerning the American leadership.

Right?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You have made some legitimate criticisms of the methodology of the survey.

But I'm curious. Why did you start a thread about it?

Because I found the article interesting.

Why else would someone open up a discussion?

PS - By pointing out the REALLY crappy methodology and holding the actual flaws in the methodology there is also some (slim) chance of reducing the "That poll doesn't say what I want to hear, so it's wrong" position that is (essentially) the most common method of "analyzing" polling results on the Internet.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Please provide cite for that statement...

I bet on "Crickets", tell me how much I bet and then send me my winnings.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You think America is the only country that fought and defeated oppression?

If it hadn't been for the US - single-handedly - defeating Russia, Germany, and China after they had conquered all of Europe (including the UK), Africa, and Asia in WWII you wouldn't be here to say that.

[Sorry, "Acute Sarcasm Attack"]

 

[DaveFagan]

The American leadership is selected by the American voters in American elections conducted by American officials pursuant to American law passed in accordance with the American constitution.

That means, of course, that, since the word "people" does not appear in that statement, the American people have nothing to do with the situation concerning the American leadership.

Right?

I do believe that there may be a flaw in the nominating process. The highest bidders are taking all.
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[Gaugingcatenate]

Canada is made up of disparate peoples. The French and the English came together to form a country. We never had an issue with the Crown. We were never "beaten" by the Crown.
In my previous post, I neglected to point out that we don't own any moral high ground. Our history with residential schools is a shameful part of our history. Also, in 1939 our government turned away a shipload of Jewish refugees fleeing Germany. They were sent back to perish in the death camps.
So, I guess the US and Canada are exceptionals among many exceptional nations.

With all due respect we both live in free countries with mine being a little bit freer... we can actually say what we want to say without fear of getting sued or arrested... unless its slanderous or creates a threat of imminent danger... so you can believe and pretty much say whatever you want.

If you don't think your country or mine is particularly exceptional, I will agree with your assessment of your own country, will heartily disagree with your ill-informed assessment of my own.

Contrary to many leftist beliefs, all cultures and nations are not equal.

 

[queenmandy85]

I guess we are also free to disagree.
I can't think of a better neighbour than the United States of America. Friends of mine are always coming home from trips to the US filled with stories about how friendly you all are.

 

[Middle_Ground]

Not surprised whatsoever.
When a young person does everything they were told to do to succeed and then go out in the world can't get a job that can support an average lifestyle, have to wait to have children until you you need fertility treatments, can't have a decent house or a car, have to decide whether to pay school loans or have health insurance.
Yeah I can see why they feel like things aren't great.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

You think America is the only country that fought and defeated oppression?

Hardly, why do you ask?

We are just the most exceptional all around great country... in the now and historically for the period we have been in existence. Anything else you need help with? Be my pleasure to assist.

 

[Higgins86]

Hardly, why do you ask?

We are just the most exceptional all around great country... in the now and historically for the period we have been in existence. Anything else you need help with? Be my pleasure to assist.

Peaked when you landed on the moon been all downhill since then. Hell of a peak though in fairness.

 

[Deuce]

People tell me we're the greatest nation on earth and I just wonder exactly what metric they have used to define this.

 

[Deuce]

Pretty telling that this generation of young adults would see the U.S. flag as a sign of intolerance and hatred. I'm betting this might be different if a leftist were their president.
Liberal academia...Racism and hate are the most overused words used today. Code for I don't like your opinion.

Snowflakes.

Says the person really triggered by this poll

 

[Pedestrian]

From FOX News

Nearly Half of Young Americans Believe US Is Racist and Not 'Greatest' Country, Survey Finds
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An alarming new online survey found that national pride is falling among the next generation.

The survey, conducted by polling firm YouGov, reveals that many members of the younger generation (under 38 -- Generation Z and millennials) do not identify with patriotism or American exceptionalism.

The Foundation for Liberty and American Greatness, which sponsored the survey, highlighted some key findings, including that 46 percent of respondents do not agree that America is the greatest country in the world, half believe the country is sexist (50 percent) and racist (49 percent), and 47 percent say America's future should be driven by socialism over capitalism.

Other findings include:

COMMENT:-

Just two minor points before everyone flies into a flap over the results:

1. "On-line polls" are notoriously inaccurate because they have a marked tendency to use a "self-selected population"; and
2. the number of people that it requires to obtain statistically reliable results (+/- 3.5%) 95% of the time if the "population" is around 13,500,000 is around 400. The population of 14 to 17 year olds in the US is around 13,500,000. The number of responses for that demographic in this survey was 100. Using only a sample size of 100 produces a "confidence interval" of +/- 50%. [What that means is that, with the surveyed population in this survey, if the recorded result was 50%, then the actual result could be someplace between a low of 0.00% and a high of 100%.

PS - If you take a look at the actual survey questions asked, you will also see that they are incredibly sloppily worded and use terms that are so subjective that it is impossible to tell if one person giving an answer is actually responding to the same OBJECTIVE question that another person who gives the same answer is.
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Yes, too small but participation is random.

 

[chuckiechan]

Even taking into account your accurate summation of online polls, the results actually don't surprise me and I wouldn't doubt the accuracy all that much. I actually wouldn't be surprised if a more accurate type of polling would find much higher numbers.

I have anotner take on this:

What is your typical thirty year old thinking about? I would say:
Career and promotion prospects
Mortgage, rent, and living expenses.
Getting a spouse and keeping her/him
When to have kids and the quality of the environment those children live and are educated in.
I just dont see the majority being all that political except when it affects them - mostly at the state and local level.

In short, they are too busy to to pound the keys in sites like D.P. Their opinions are quick, thin, and emotional, and they move on.
Volunteer work is at their kids school or on the soccer field.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Peaked when you landed on the moon been all downhill since then. Hell of a peak though in fairness.

Thanks... and exactly.

Precisely the reason the President wants to MAGA. Yano?

 

[Helix]

why should we rest on "greatest nation" laurels? that sounds more like propaganda than fact and implies that we can either maintain or go downhill. why not work on being a better nation than we were yesterday?

also, **** fox.

 

[Mycroft]

from fox news

nearly half of young americans believe us is racist and not 'greatest' country, survey finds
​

an alarming new online survey found that national pride is falling among the next generation.

The survey, conducted by polling firm yougov, reveals that many members of the younger generation (under 38 -- generation z and millennials) do not identify with patriotism or american exceptionalism.

The foundation for liberty and american greatness, which sponsored the survey, highlighted some key findings, including that 46 percent of respondents do not agree that america is the greatest country in the world, half believe the country is sexist (50 percent) and racist (49 percent), and 47 percent say america's future should be driven by socialism over capitalism.

Other findings include:

comment:-

just two minor points before everyone flies into a flap over the results:

1. "on-line polls" are notoriously inaccurate because they have a marked tendency to use a "self-selected population"; and
2. the number of people that it requires to obtain statistically reliable results (+/- 3.5%) 95% of the time if the "population" is around 13,500,000 is around 400. The population of 14 to 17 year olds in the us is around 13,500,000. The number of responses for that demographic in this survey was 100. Using only a sample size of 100 produces a "confidence interval" of +/- 50%. [what that means is that, with the surveyed population in this survey, if the recorded result was 50%, then the actual result could be someplace between a low of 0.00% and a high of 100%.

ps - if you take a look at the actual survey questions asked, you will also see that they are incredibly sloppily worded and use terms that are so subjective that it is impossible to tell if one person giving an answer is actually responding to the same objective question that another person who gives the same answer is.
​

poll rejected!!

 

[JustHanging]

You can thank the schools for that.

Nonsense. You can thank Trump for one, he got elected on the back of fear and racism. That was the basis of his last campaign. Kids watch that, and as they haven't been brainwashed yet to find it acceptable, they stand against it.

It's time to have a look at what and how teachers are teaching their destructive agenda and fix it. Pretty soon they will be chanting the virtues of being more like China.

Nonsense. What is it about conservatives these days that they never seem to take responsibility, but instead blame someone or something else?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

If you don't think your country or mine is particularly exceptional, ...

Oh come on now, as soon as you consider the facts that Canada:

1. is a country founded by a bunch of drunks who didn't actually know what they were doing - or why;
2. has as its National Animal a rodent that is so stupid that it has been known to stand right where the tree it has just cut down is going to fall and gets crushed to death as a result;
3. has as its "National Bird" a bird whose most notable feature is the production of copious amounts of slimy green stool and that has an incredibly rotten disposition;
4. has as its "National Symbol" a police man in an incredibly impractical uniform;
5. has as its "National Dream" a railroad that was built through a huge campaign of grant, theft, and corruption (to say nothing of the number of lives lost);
6. had as one of its greatest "Wartime Leaders" a man who got his political advice from his dog, a Ouija Board, and his dead mother;
7. has as it's sole "National Defining Characteristic" the belief that anyone (even other Canadians) actually cares what the answer to "What is a Canadian?" is;
8. has TWO of the "World's Longest Undefended Boarders" while Canadian think that it only has one; and
9. is the only country in the world to have successfully repulsed invasions from the United States of America (three or four times - depending on whether you count "The Irish" as "Americans" or not)

how can you NOT say that Canada isn't MORE "exceptional" than the US is?