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I have no time for people won't defend the free speech of those they don't like.
Go take your hatred and bigotry elsewhere
You have the right to be a Nazi. I have the right to fire you for being a Nazi. I don't employ idiots
This is a culture of intimidation and blowback. We may legally have free speech, but de facto we don't. This is especially problematic when it comes to people who post anonymously (and don't encourage violence, I might add) and then get doxed. We need to preserve anonymity, and the Founding Fathers who used that anonymity when it came to making remarks on the Constitution also seemed to think so.
Keep your views to yourself then. You want to be judged....take them out in public.....and be judgedIt's not a free speech issue. Only the government has to respect your free speech rights. No one else does.
That said the idea that companies fire people for legal, but reprehensible speech, is deeply troubling. It's easy to justify with Nazis because they're just so hate-able and no one's going to lose sleep over a Nazi asshole who loses his job. But what happens when it's not a Nazi but some guy who holds a view that run counter to the majority? What happens if your deeply held views become out of fashion and you get fired for holding them?
(I'm not speaking to you specifically - making a general point).
Agreed i dont have any issue with that. What I am taking issue with is those would seek out personal information of those they disagree with politically and then use that to attempt to destroy their life.
It's not a free speech issue. Only the government has to respect your free speech rights. No one else does.
That said the idea that companies fire people for legal, but reprehensible speech, is deeply troubling. It's easy to justify with Nazis because they're just so hate-able and no one's going to lose sleep over a Nazi asshole who loses his job. But what happens when it's not a Nazi but some guy who holds a view that run counter to the majority? What happens if your deeply held views become out of fashion and you get fired for holding them?
(I'm not speaking to you specifically - making a general point).
Actions have consequences.
Agreed i dont have any issue with that. What I am taking issue with is those would seek out personal information of those they disagree with politically and then use that to attempt to destroy their life.
Actions not speech
Authoritarianism from people who hold no authority
And forcible suppression without force
Public events are public
I have no time for people won't defend the free speech of those they don't like.
Go take your hatred and bigotry elsewhere
You can't get any personal information on me that would be a problem. Nowadays if you are in public doing something you should expect everyone will find out. And then you will be judged
do you support "at will" employment?
From the sounds of it you are self employed which protects you from a lot of this bull**** but for anyone who is not it's pretty easy to see a situation which your political beliefs could get you fired and I'm not talking only about extreme views like the nazis
Look if I have an employee that is seen at a Nazi rally speaking about his beliefs I will not fire him for being a Nazi....I will fire him for being an idiot that brings bad PR to the company
Apparently you have confused the legal protections of the 1st amendment from the uncodified ideal of free speech.
Apparently you have confused the legal protections of the 1st amendment from the uncodified ideal of free speech.
Like I said I agree with that it's the issue of the 3rd parties doxxing and forcing you into that decision I disagree with.
Yeah it seems I did misread you. I agree fwiw - as I said I find it troubling that people get fired for private speech.
Apparently you have confused the legal protections of the 1st amendment from the uncodified ideal of free speech.
Can I fire a guy who I see on youtube publically bashing me and my company?
Yes I think most can see the danger there, just a few that still don't get it. This should be a slam dunk bipartisan issue.
Yes why wouldn't you be able to? That isn't even political speech which is the main issue here
Keep your views to yourself then. You want to be judged....take them out in public.....and be judged
No, no one does that's why we have stuff like EEOC and unemployment to supplement all the issues that "at will" employment causes.
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