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Nazi Party & Communist Party Both Throw Their Support Behind Occupy Wall Street Movem

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From a certain perspective, if the Commies and Nazis agree about something, maybe there IS a problem!

I am 100% unconcerned by the remaining Nazi movement in the USA.
 
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That doesn't make any sense. You hate communism because some communists imprisoned and/or killed democrats and liberals. First of all, ideologies don't act so hating an ideology because of actions that people commit doesn't make much sense. Second, when did communists imprison/kill Democrats?

Lenin & Stalin persecuted social democrats...as they were not "revolutionary" enough for the Bolsheviks.
 
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Go to youtube to find more anti-semitic protesters.


So three videos of the same guy, one clearly showing the protesters denouncing him.

And the over-groomed knucklehead we've all seen twenty times already, who I'm sure doesn't stink.

So the same couple crackpots we've already seen.
 
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I'm quite intolerant of Nazis myself.

But this doesn't negate the legitimacy of the entire movement because a few Nazis support it. If you supported the Tea Party, would you start opposing it if the KKK endorsed it or if some fascists showed up?

Hitler loved the circus, that doesn't make the circus a Nazi get together.
it negates the legitimacy of the movement in my eyes... and yes, i would feel the same about any movement.. tea party or otherwise, that allows the inclusion of Communists or Nazis... or the KKK.

this is a personal choice of mine...I will not allow myself to associate with the historic dregs of humanity, even if I agree with them on a specific issue.
you, or anyone else, can choose to stand in solidarity with them, but I will not.. and I will not look kindly on those who choose to do so.

... that's just me.
 
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Yeah, and the French didn't see the Reign of Terror, either. Nor did the Russians fully understand what the Bolsheviks had in mind, nor the National Socialists, the Chicoms, the Viet Minh, the Khmer Rouge.

They all said, "it can't happen, here".

Just out of curiousity, do you actually check under your bed at night to see if the dreaded 'liberals' are waiting to get you when you fall asleep? You guys on the far Right are a hoot! Still, it's always good to have enemies, isn't it? That way you can always have a ready excuse for extremism.
 
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this is a personal choice of mine...I will not allow myself to associate with the historic dregs of humanity, even if I agree with them on a specific issue.
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Geeesh wadda ya doing here at DP, ya got people like me, spud meister, tucker:mrgreen:
 
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the linear paradigm is worthless because fascism and stalinism are essentially slightly different strains of the same disease. And your are right-bakunin anarcho-syndicalism approaches anarchy from the communist collective while some uber libertarians approach anarchism from the true right (total freedom and only so much government as to prevent crime and invasion)

I dunno about "slightly different strains." Fascist culture shares many similarities, but also has many differences, compared to Soviet culture under Stalin. But clearly they were both extremely authoritarian.

I'd agree with you that the left-right paradigm becomes completely useless after a certain point.
 
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Anarchists would be the farthest right possible.

No way.

There's WAY too much demand for SOCIAL rules on the right.

I see no evidence the right seeks an end to the authority of one man over another.

Quite the contrary in fact.

They're FAR to strident on property rights, which CANNOT exist without government.

And who's gonna stop all those abortions and enforce all those moral laws they're so fond of?

So no, anarchy isn't right wing.
 
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I rather put that in the parent defending her kid category vs the hippie actually knowing how to fight.

It was actually pretty impressive.

I'm sure the kid was her inspiration, but homegirl had SKILLS. Only-girl-with-five-brothers kind of skills. A right and a left and down he went. They pulled her off him. He actually scurried away.
 
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No way.

There's WAY too much demand for SOCIAL rules on the right.

I see no evidence the right seeks an end to the authority of one man over another.

Quite the contrary in fact.

They're FAR to strident on property rights, which CANNOT exist without government.

And who's gonna stop all those abortions and enforce all those moral laws they're so fond of?

So no, anarchy isn't right wing.

Anarchy is commonly perceived as the farthest right you can go on the left/right paradigm.

the extreme right represents absence of government.. the further left you go, the more government is present, centralized, and intrusive.

you seem to be confusing anarchy with contemporary conservatism, for some reason.
 
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Better yet, they were German shepards and I own German shepards!

What have I become??

And I love dogs AND cats!

What does that make me?
 
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Whatif, you asked me to post pictures of a hypothetical situation. Thus, the "What?" from me.

Can't you see yourself pasting the protesters with your hypothesis as if it is reality?
 
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Lenin & Stalin persecuted social democrats...as they were not "revolutionary" enough for the Bolsheviks.
social democrats and Democrats are two different things. I don't think any communists have killed any Democrats. Moreover, it's still illogical to condemn an entire ideology because of what some people did.
 
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social democrats and Democrats are two different things. I don't think any communists have killed any Democrats. Moreover, it's still illogical to condemn an entire ideology because of what some people did.

no, it's not illogical.
it would be illogical to condemn an ideology if we didn't have evidence of what that ideology brings to the table.
in the cases of communism and nazis.. we have evidence... lots of evidence.
 
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no, it's not illogical.
it would be illogical to condemn an ideology if we didn't have evidence of what that ideology brings to the table.
in the cases of communism and nazis.. we have evidence... lots of evidence.
unless an ideology is based upon hatred or violence, then it's illogical to hate an ideology because some of it's adherents used it for hate and violence.
 
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Anarchy is commonly perceived as the farthest right you can go on the left/right paradigm.

the extreme right represents absence of government.. the further left you go, the more government is present, centralized, and intrusive.

you seem to be confusing anarchy with contemporary conservatism, for some reason.

There's LOTS of common perceptions of anarchism that are completely wrong.

Modern conservatism sure does have a lot of rules they want enforced.

Not the least of which are property rights and enforcement of contracts.

Can't see how you can have any of that if nobody can MAKE anybody else do or not do anything.

Or any way your way can ever lead to this.

So maybe anarchy doesn't really belong on the left right scale.
 
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Just out of curiousity, do you actually check under your bed at night to see if the dreaded 'liberals' are waiting to get you when you fall asleep? You guys on the far Right are a hoot! Still, it's always good to have enemies, isn't it? That way you can always have a ready excuse for extremism.

Having enemies is not a good thing, but it is a reality. Communists, Socialists and Facists are definitely enemies of any free society.
 
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Having enemies is not a good thing, but it is a reality. Communists, Socialists and Facists are definitely enemies of any free society.

But at the same time not allowing themselves to express themselves freely is also in direct opposition to a free society in which freedom of thought and expression no matter how absurd and ridiculous is respected, which is why it's a testament to the freedoms America provides when the supreme court of the United States allows the Westboro Baptist church to protest dead soldiers funerals much to the dismay of me and you!

Guilt by association is a weapon of the enemy you claim to oppose, and the OWS has no control of who endorses it and who doesn't anymore then the Tea party does who just happened to have a member of the KKK and white supremacist movement endorse it.
 
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But at the same time not allowing themselves to express themselves freely is also in direct opposition to a free society in which freedom of thought and expression no matter how absurd and ridiculous is respected, which is why it's a testament to the freedoms America provides when the supreme court of the United States allows the Westboro Baptist church to protest dead soldiers funerals much to the dismay of me and you!

Guilt by association is a weapon of the enemy you claim to oppose, and the OWS has no control of who endorses it and who doesn't anymore then the Tea party does who just happened to have a member of the KKK and white supremacist movement endorse it.

Again, for the umpteenth time: no one is saying that the occupiers don't have the right to say what they please.

Stop acting as if I don't have the right to criticize their stupid asses.
 
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The difference is that most tea partiers would publicly denounce the KKK and ask them to leave their rallies (that actually happened at a tea party rally). They would completely separate themselves from them. The OWS protesters aren't separating themselves from the socialists, communists or anarchists. Quite the contrary, from what I've seen. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

And yet they did not do that to the many racists who showed up to Tea Party rallies until the negative publicity got extreme.
 
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social democrats and Democrats are two different things. I don't think any communists have killed any Democrats. Moreover, it's still illogical to condemn an entire ideology because of what some people did.

This.

There is also historical context that has to acknowledged. The early days of the Soviet Union had to deal with WWI, the revolution, a counter revolution, a civil war, several invasion attempts, famine, and WWII all within two decades. This coupled with Lenin's early death and the subsequent power vacuum pretty much set the tone for Stalin's reign.

I'm not one to defend the authoritarian nature of the soviet union and the satellite communist countries that were dependent on them, but it's important to consider how they got there.
 
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Socialistic handouts? :lamo :lamo :lamo

Listen, if Obama didn't bailout the corporations and the banks, the US would be doomed financially. They are the biggest part of the system, if they failed, everything fails. They are the foundations of the US economy, like most economies of the developed world

Actually, Bush did that and the prognostications are opinion at best.
 
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Anarchy is commonly perceived as the farthest right you can go on the left/right paradigm.

the extreme right represents absence of government.. the further left you go, the more government is present, centralized, and intrusive.

you seem to be confusing anarchy with contemporary conservatism, for some reason.

This is just wrong, flat out.

Left =/= more government
Right =/= less government

There are libertarian leftists and there are authoritarian rightists. American politics operate on such a small sliver of the global political spectrum it's crazy.
 
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This is just wrong, flat out.

Left =/= more government
Right =/= less government

There are libertarian leftists and there are authoritarian rightists. American politics operate on such a small sliver of the global political spectrum it's crazy.

You're wasting time. You can't argue with someone that's created their own definitions and their own reality in order to just say "us good you bad". Most probably don't even realize it's John Bircher propaganda from the 50's regurgitated.
 
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And yet they did not do that to the many racists who showed up to Tea Party rallies until the negative publicity got extreme.
Still pushing the same old lie. Guess what? It doesn't matter how many times you tell a lie, it will always be a lie.
 
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