Nature says

[Good4Nothin]

Nature, that far right-wing conspiracy theory rag, published this recent article:

Increased emergency cardiovascular events among under-40 population in Israel during vaccine rollout and third COVID-19 wave - Scientific Reports

Cardiovascular adverse conditions are caused by coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) infections and reported as side-effects of the COVID-19 vaccines. Enriching current vaccine safety surveillance systems with additional data sources may improve the understanding of COVID-19 vaccine safety. Using...

www.nature.com

This research examined emergency call data in Israel, and found a 25% increase in cardiovascular emergencies related to covid vaccination. They found no relationship to covid infection, only covid vaccination.

Makes you wonder a little? Hmmm. How did these anti-vaxxers get their dangerous misinformation published in a journal like Nature?

 

[bomberfox]

You arent eating your horse paste like i told you to. Shame. Horse paste for thee but not for meee!

 

[bomberfox]

More recently, several studies established probable causal relationship between the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines of BNT162b2 and mRNA-127311,14,15,16 as well as adenovirus (ChAdOx1) vaccines17 with myocarditis, primarily in children, young and middle-age adults. The study by the Ministry of Health in Israel, a country with one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, assesses the risk of myocarditis after receiving the 2nd vaccine dose to be between 1 in 3000 to 1 in 6000 in men of age 16–24 and 1 in 120,000 in men under 3011,12,13. A follow up study by the US Center of Disease Control (CDC) based on the VAERS and V-Safe self-reporting systems18 further confirms these findings19. The CDC has recently posted a warning regarding a vaccine-related risk of myocarditis, but still maintained their recommendation to vaccinate young individuals and children over 127. Similar concerns are reflected in the recent Food and Drug Administration approval to the Pfizer vaccine that requires several follow studies on the short and long terms effects of myocarditis in young individuals20.

While the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination are clear, especially for populations at great risk of developing serious and potentially life-threatening illness15,21, it is important to better understand the potential risks to minimize potential harm. However, assessing the connection between myocarditis and other potential cardiovascular conditions, and the COVID-19 vaccines is challenging. First, self-reporting systems22 of adverse events are known to have self-reporting bias and both under and over-reporting problems23,24,25. Even the study from Israel that is based on more proactive data collection mentions that some of the potentially relevant cases were not fully investigated.

Look at the bottom.

 

[Good4Nothin]

More recently, several studies established probable causal relationship between the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines of BNT162b2 and mRNA-127311,14,15,16 as well as adenovirus (ChAdOx1) vaccines17 with myocarditis, primarily in children, young and middle-age adults. The study by the Ministry of Health in Israel, a country with one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, assesses the risk of myocarditis after receiving the 2nd vaccine dose to be between 1 in 3000 to 1 in 6000 in men of age 16–24 and 1 in 120,000 in men under 3011,12,13. A follow up study by the US Center of Disease Control (CDC) based on the VAERS and V-Safe self-reporting systems18 further confirms these findings19. The CDC has recently posted a warning regarding a vaccine-related risk of myocarditis, but still maintained their recommendation to vaccinate young individuals and children over 127. Similar concerns are reflected in the recent Food and Drug Administration approval to the Pfizer vaccine that requires several follow studies on the short and long terms effects of myocarditis in young individuals20.

While the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination are clear, especially for populations at great risk of developing serious and potentially life-threatening illness15,21, it is important to better understand the potential risks to minimize potential harm. However, assessing the connection between myocarditis and other potential cardiovascular conditions, and the COVID-19 vaccines is challenging. First, self-reporting systems22 of adverse events are known to have self-reporting bias and both under and over-reporting problems23,24,25. Even the study from Israel that is based on more proactive data collection mentions that some of the potentially relevant cases were not fully investigated.

Look at the bottom.

Yeah, the vaccines are perfectly safe. Unless they aren't. We can trust the CDC to tell us the whole truth. Except when they don't.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yeah, the vaccines are perfectly safe. Unless they aren't. We can trust the CDC to tell us the whole truth. Except when they don't.

NOTHING is "perfectly safe".

Even water, aspirin, Vitamin D, etc..

 

[beefheart]

Yeah, the vaccines are perfectly safe. Unless they aren't. We can trust the CDC to tell us the whole truth. Except when they don't.

You rail against the vaccines, yet you were vaccinated.

Hypocrisy.

 

[Good4Nothin]

You rail against the vaccines, yet you were vaccinated.

Hypocrisy.

Because they told us we had to be vaccinated to protect others. That turned out to not be true.

 

[Good4Nothin]

NOTHING is "perfectly safe".

Even water, aspirin, Vitamin D, etc..

Nothing is perfectly safe, but some things are safer than others.

 

[NOVA66]

Because they told us we had to be vaccinated to protect others. That turned out to not be true.

How do you know?

 

[NOVA66]

Yeah, the vaccines are perfectly safe. Unless they aren't. We can trust the CDC to tell us the whole truth. Except when they don't.

Covid will just disappear in a few day. You could shoot up with disinfectant.

 

[beefheart]

Because they told us we had to be vaccinated to protect others. That turned out to not be true.

It was true.

And you spread bullshit here.

 

[NOVA66]

nature says I am calling.

 

[Fledermaus]

Nothing is perfectly safe, but some things are safer than others.

And vaccines have proven to be far, far safer than COVID.

 

[Fledermaus]

Because they told us we had to be vaccinated to protect others. That turned out to not be true.

Which was true.

 

[Good4Nothin]

And vaccines have proven to be far, far safer than COVID.

How do you figure that? For the vast majority of people covid is harmless. The possible harm of the vaccines is not known.

 

[Gordy327]

Nothing is perfectly safe, but some things are safer than others.

The covid vaccine is quite safe. And effective against its target strain.

 

[Gordy327]

How do you figure that? For the vast majority of people covid is harmless. The possible harm of the vaccines is not known.

The vaccines are safe. Billions of doses have been given worldwide. If the vaccine was not safe, surely it would be reported by now. But hey, if you think it's not safe, then provide the paper reviewed scientific studies to support that assertion! I remember when the J&J vaccine was linked to blood clot formation in some recipients, that vaccine was withdrawn rather quickly until it's safety was verified. One would think the same would be true of the other vaccines if their safety was an issue.

 

[Fledermaus]

How do you figure that? For the vast majority of people covid is harmless. The possible harm of the vaccines is not known.

The vast majority.... That is why millions are dead, eh?

 

[Good4Nothin]

The vast majority.... That is why millions are dead, eh?

The early variants killed people who were obese or very old and had type 2 diabetes. Many of them actually died from something else, but had a positive covid test.

Covid is no longer deadly even for the very old, since the newer variants are not nearly as bad.

 

[Gordy327]

The early variants killed people who were obese or very old and had type 2 diabetes. Many of them actually died from something else, but had a positive covid test.

Covid is no longer deadly even for the very old, since the newer variants are not nearly as bad.

Did it occur to you that covid might have been what pushed them over the edge?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Did it occur to you that covid might have been what pushed them over the edge?

I'm sure it was in some cases. However, the way covid deaths were reported, we can never know how many were actually killed by covid, vs something else.

 

[Gordy327]

I'm sure it was in some cases. However, the way covid deaths were reported, we can never know how many were actually killed by covid, vs something else.

You're missing the point. Covid is what led to someone dying.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Lord, that threads like this keep appearing with consistent regularity...

 

[HonestJoe]

Makes you wonder a little? Hmmm. How did these anti-vaxxers get their dangerous misinformation published in a journal like Nature?

This isn't misinformation though. These are professional scientists analysing actually relevant data who reached a conclusion that there was a correlation between COVID vaccines and cardiac arrest emergency calls in that data. They also acknowledged the limitations in their data and methods, and primarily recommend further study or more detailed data. The only practical recommendations they made involved surveillance for vaccine-related side effects and public information about the possibilities and appropriate steps to take (I don't know about Israel but they already did that in the UK).

What they didn't do was declare that the pandemic was a hoax or that the vaccines were created by an evil cabal of world leaders to reduce the world population. They didn't conflate a whole set of unrelated claims, selective data and amateur analysis to create a predetermined negative image. They didn't start tossing accusations and insults at politicians or public figures. Can you really not tell the difference between a study like this one and the typical anti-vaxxer screeds?

It's also worth noting that the age-group population they were looking at here consisted of around 3.5 million people, of which around 2.2 million received vaccinations. The two types of emergency call they looked at accounted for around 400 and 1400 incidents a year respectively. Obviously any number of such incidents are of legitimate concern and the headline 25% increase is certainly significant and worthy of further study as recommended, the overall scale of any impact of side-effects from the vaccine this suggests shouldn't be overstated.

 

[Ethel2]

More recently, several studies established probable causal relationship between the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines of BNT162b2 and mRNA-127311,14,15,16 as well as adenovirus (ChAdOx1) vaccines17 with myocarditis, primarily in children, young and middle-age adults. The study by the Ministry of Health in Israel, a country with one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, assesses the risk of myocarditis after receiving the 2nd vaccine dose to be between 1 in 3000 to 1 in 6000 in men of age 16–24 and 1 in 120,000 in men under 3011,12,13. A follow up study by the US Center of Disease Control (CDC) based on the VAERS and V-Safe self-reporting systems18 further confirms these findings19. The CDC has recently posted a warning regarding a vaccine-related risk of myocarditis, but still maintained their recommendation to vaccinate young individuals and children over 127. Similar concerns are reflected in the recent Food and Drug Administration approval to the Pfizer vaccine that requires several follow studies on the short and long terms effects of myocarditis in young individuals20.

While the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination are clear, especially for populations at great risk of developing serious and potentially life-threatening illness15,21, it is important to better understand the potential risks to minimize potential harm. However, assessing the connection between myocarditis and other potential cardiovascular conditions, and the COVID-19 vaccines is challenging. First, self-reporting systems22 of adverse events are known to have self-reporting bias and both under and over-reporting problems23,24,25. Even the study from Israel that is based on more proactive data collection mentions that some of the potentially relevant cases were not fully investigated.

Look at the bottom.

Yes, there have been reported cases of myocarditis after people got the mRNA vaccines. The risk is extremely low. The vast majority of these cases are self resolving and are treated with NSAIDs like advil. A few people ended up in the hospital before recovering. I am aware of a single death from vaccine induced myocarditis.
I'll take my chances.