NATO: Up to 40,000 Russian Troops Killed, Wounded, Taken Prisoner or Missing in Ukraine

[TU Curmudgeon]

And the opposite is supposedly true. There was an article floating around here the other day about Russian soldiers running over their commanding officer with a tank because of loses incurred by their unit.

Both of which ("summary field execution" and "fragging") are signs of indiscipline spreading through poorly trained and inadequately motivated troops - right?

 

[Napoleon]

Both of which ("summary field execution" and "fragging") are signs of indiscipline spreading through poorly trained and inadequately motivated troops - right?

If it is then no army on this planet has ever been adequately trained or motivated.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I still call BS on that. Esp. on 40,000. IMO that's got to be wishful thinking, propaganda.

From yesterday:
...I still have a hard time believing this isnt propaganda. 7,000 is a lot of dead Russians.

From your link: "The American officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational matters, caution that their numbers of Russian troop deaths are inexact, compiled through analysis of the news media, Ukrainian figures (which tend to be high, with the latest at 13,500), Russian figures (which tend to be low, with the latest at 498), satellite imagery and careful perusal of video images of Russian tanks and troops that come under fire."

I mean, look at the huge difference in what Ukraine and Russia published. Basically, the anonymous "American officials" just picked a number smack in the middle.

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Remember the "Vietnam VC Fatality Count Method"

[1] Are there reporters present? If "Yes" go to **, if "No" go to [2]​

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[2] Is it dead? If "Yes" go to [3], if "No" go to [2].​

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[3] Kill it and return to [2]​

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[4] Is it obviously a water buffalo? If "Yes" go to [5], if "No" go to [9]​

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[5] Can we make it so that it doesn't look like a water buffalo? If "Yes" go to [9], if "No" go to [6]​

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[6] Can we blame it on the VC/NVA? If "Yes" go to [7], if "No" go to [8]​

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[7] REPORT this as a "VC/NVA Atrocity"​

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[8] DO NOT REPORT this​

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[9] REPORT this as "10 VC/NVA 'Killed in Action' and 23 VC/NVA 'Wounded' (except on Fridays or your birthday in which case just make up numbers)"​

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[10] Is it dead? If "Yes" go to [12], if "No" go to [11].​

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[11] Render aid and report as "Captured"​

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[12] Is it obviously a water buffalo? If "Yes" go to [15], if "No" go to [13]​

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[13] Can we make it so that it doesn't look like a water buffalo? If "Yes" go to [14], if "No" go to [15]​

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[14] Can we blame it on the VC/NVA? If "Yes" go to [15], if "No" go to [16]​

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[15] REPORT this as a "VC/NVA Atrocity"​

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[16] REPORT this as "1 VC/NVA 'Killed in Action' or 'Wounded' as appropriate"​

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

If it is then no army on this planet has ever been adequately trained or motivated.

No army on this planet has ever been PERFECTLY trained or motivated.

The question is not so much "ARE summary field executions and/or fragging taking place amongst the Russian troops in Ukraine?", but rather "HOW WIDE SPREAD are the summary field executions and/or fragging taking place amongst the Russian troops in Ukraine?"