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Nationalism started WWI...and WWII

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...sident-trump-nationalism-old-demons/38481587/

At WWI ceremony, world warned ‘old demons’ rising

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As Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and dozens of other heads of state and government listened in silence, French President Emmanuel Macron used the occasion, as its host, to sound a powerful and sobering warning about the fragility of peace and the dangers of nationalism and of nations that put themselves first, above the collective good.

“The old demons are rising again, ready to complete their task of chaos and of death,” Macron said.

“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism,” he said.
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I really wonder if Trump understands the implications of declaring himself to be a nationalist. How many tens of millions dies in those 2 wars & those that followed it, like Vietnam?
 

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...sident-trump-nationalism-old-demons/38481587/

At WWI ceremony, world warned ‘old demons’ rising

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As Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and dozens of other heads of state and government listened in silence, French President Emmanuel Macron used the occasion, as its host, to sound a powerful and sobering warning about the fragility of peace and the dangers of nationalism and of nations that put themselves first, above the collective good.

“The old demons are rising again, ready to complete their task of chaos and of death,” Macron said.

“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism,” he said.
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I really wonder if Trump understands the implications of declaring himself to be a nationalist. How many tens of millions dies in those 2 wars & those that followed it, like Vietnam?

Nationalism is so reminiscent of Nazi Germany. It's a "we're better than you attitude". George W. Bush hated the United Nations. Trump is showing much of the same. Problems of this world are just that - worldly problems. Nationalism does nothing to help solve these problems.
 

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One of the textbooks from which I taught American History for many years was titled THE RISE OF NATIONALISM. It discussed the causes of the first world war.
 

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"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein
 

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Give in to Globalism....Be part of The Collective...
 

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...sident-trump-nationalism-old-demons/38481587/

At WWI ceremony, world warned ‘old demons’ rising

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As Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and dozens of other heads of state and government listened in silence, French President Emmanuel Macron used the occasion, as its host, to sound a powerful and sobering warning about the fragility of peace and the dangers of nationalism and of nations that put themselves first, above the collective good.

“The old demons are rising again, ready to complete their task of chaos and of death,” Macron said.

“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism,” he said.
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I really wonder if Trump understands the implications of declaring himself to be a nationalist. How many tens of millions dies in those 2 wars & those that followed it, like Vietnam?

Of course not. He doesn't read, just assumes he knows everything.
 

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...sident-trump-nationalism-old-demons/38481587/

At WWI ceremony, world warned ‘old demons’ rising

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As Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and dozens of other heads of state and government listened in silence, French President Emmanuel Macron used the occasion, as its host, to sound a powerful and sobering warning about the fragility of peace and the dangers of nationalism and of nations that put themselves first, above the collective good.

“The old demons are rising again, ready to complete their task of chaos and of death,” Macron said.

“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism,” he said.
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I really wonder if Trump understands the implications of declaring himself to be a nationalist. How many tens of millions dies in those 2 wars & those that followed it, like Vietnam?

Do you clean your room?
 

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Give in to Globalism....Be part of The Collective...

I don't think there's a way back to living in the isolation humanity had in the past. As we've connected with others and increased our ability to communicate more effectively, there's been much to gain by increasing our reach. Without a doubt it has challenged our provincial ways, but you can think of the growing partnerships and cooperations as something you navigate carefully. There's much to gain, but things to lose as well; it's a matter of measuring what makes sense to keep and what to let go.
 

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...sident-trump-nationalism-old-demons/38481587/

At WWI ceremony, world warned ‘old demons’ rising

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As Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and dozens of other heads of state and government listened in silence, French President Emmanuel Macron used the occasion, as its host, to sound a powerful and sobering warning about the fragility of peace and the dangers of nationalism and of nations that put themselves first, above the collective good.

“The old demons are rising again, ready to complete their task of chaos and of death,” Macron said.

“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism,” he said.
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I really wonder if Trump understands the implications of declaring himself to be a nationalist. How many tens of millions dies in those 2 wars & those that followed it, like Vietnam?


WWI started because other countries couldn't stay out of other countries business. The opposite of nationalism.More akin to globalism. WWII started because we screwed Germany with the war debt which ****ed Germany up and allowed Hitler to take over. This lets blame World wars on nationalism is nothing more than a globalist attempt to smear nationalism/patriotism.

Macron is a liar or ignoramus if he thinks nationalism is the opposite of patriotism. They are synonymous terms. Although I am sure the globalist scum will claim otherwise.
 

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Amusing how globalist try to smear nationalism and patriotism while at the same time trying to tell us they are not the same.
 

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WWI started because other countries couldn't stay out of other countries business. The opposite of nationalism.More akin to globalism. WWII started because we screwed Germany with the war debt which ****ed Germany up and allowed Hitler to take over. This lets blame World wars on nationalism is nothing more than a globalist attempt to smear nationalism/patriotism.

Macron is a liar or ignoramus if he thinks nationalism is the opposite of patriotism. They are synonymous terms. Although I am sure the globalist scum will claim otherwise.

These groups hoped to drive Austria-Hungary from the Balkans and establish a 'Greater Serbia', a unified state for all Slavic people. It was this pan-Slavic nationalism that inspired the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in June 1914, an event that led directly to the outbreak of World War I. (internet)
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Nationalism is an intense form of patriotism or loyalty to one’s country. Nationalists exaggerate the value or importance of their country, placing its interests over those of other countries. Nationalism was a prominent force in early 20th century Europe and became a significant cause of World War I. Many Europeans – particularly citizens of the so-called Great Powers – were convinced of the cultural, economic and military supremacy of their nation. This over-confidence was fuelled by popular culture and the press. The pages of many newspapers were filled with nationalist rhetoric and inflammatory stories, such as rumours about rival nations and their evil intentions. Nationalism could be found in literature, music, theatre and art. Royals, politicians and diplomats did little to deflate nationalism and some actively contributed to it with provocative remarks and rhetoric.
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A lot of books have been written about nationalism as the cause of the 2 World Wars. I suggest you stop by your library.
 

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Claiming nationalism started WW1 and WW2 is a ludicrous claim.

Nationalism is what allowed Americans to unite despite deep divisions to win WW1 and WW2.
 

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"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein

Your psychology genius on wives, specifically his own wife:

CONDITIONS

A. You will make sure:

1. that my clothes and laundry are kept in good order;
2. that I will receive my three meals regularly in my room;
3. that my bedroom and study are kept neat, and especially that my desk is left for my use only.

B. You will renounce all personal relations with me insofar as they are not completely necessary for social reasons. Specifically, You will forego:

1. my sitting at home with you;
2. my going out or travelling with you.

C. You will obey the following points in your relations with me:

1. you will not expect any intimacy from me, nor will you reproach me in any way;
2. you will stop talking to me if I request it;
3. you will leave my bedroom or study immediately without protest if I request it.

D. You will undertake not to belittle me in front of our children, either through words or behavior.

Albert Einstein Imposes on His First Wife a Cruel List of Marital Demands | Open Culture
 

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WWI started because other countries couldn't stay out of other countries business. The opposite of nationalism.More akin to globalism. WWII started because we screwed Germany with the war debt which ****ed Germany up and allowed Hitler to take over. This lets blame World wars on nationalism is nothing more than a globalist attempt to smear nationalism/patriotism.

Macron is a liar or ignoramus if he thinks nationalism is the opposite of patriotism. They are synonymous terms. Although I am sure the globalist scum will claim otherwise.

Yeah, those Serbian ultranationalists who shot the Austrian nobleman were such globalists :roll:

Germany was motivated by nationalist fervor. It stuck in their craw that they didn't own more colonies. France desperately wanted Alsace-Lorraine back; they were motivated by nationalist fervor as well.

Germany got screwed by the Great Depression, not a deliberate decision. Up until then American investors had been able to alleviate a good deal of the economic strain. When the bottom fell out in the US the same thing happened in Germany.
 

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I really wonder if Trump understands the implications of declaring himself to be a nationalist. How many tens of millions dies in those 2 wars & those that followed it, like Vietnam?

WW1, WW2, the Korean War and Vietnam War and the "tens of mllions" who died were ALL Democratic President wars. Clearly you must hate the Democratic Party down to the marrow of your bones.
 

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Nationalism is so reminiscent of Nazi Germany. It's a "we're better than you attitude". George W. Bush hated the United Nations. Trump is showing much of the same. Problems of this world are just that - worldly problems. Nationalism does nothing to help solve these problems.

Nationalism had been a curse on humanity since long before a face that launched a thousand ships Who do you think you are kidding with this nonsense?

The UN is a failure. Today it is a collection of minor despotic countries who use the UN to promote hate. Trump recently made a good move, defunding UNRA, which was used by haters to promote hate and terrorism with out money. No more. They want our money, they have to play by our rules, with auditing of every dollar, only to be spent as we see fit. The free ride is over.

Don't you dare demonize those who love this nation of ours. No matter what your excuses may be.
 

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WW1, WW2, the Korean War and Vietnam War and the "tens of mllions" who died were ALL Democratic President wars. Clearly you must hate the Democratic Party down to the marrow of your bones.

I call horse manure. Neither WWI nor WWII were presidential wars. While democrats were in office at the start of both wars, by today's standards Wilson was a conservative, and Roosevelt a pragmatic realist who recognized the desires for world domination by our enemies, the Japanese and the Germans, along with their other AXIS allies. And most important he recognized their evil.
 

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WW1, WW2, the Korean War and Vietnam War and the "tens of mllions" who died were ALL Democratic President wars. Clearly you must hate the Democratic Party down to the marrow of your bones.

Oh, so just to be clear; you are also whining about the US fighting Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and later North Korea and China.

just because the president in charge at one point or another were Democrats.

Wow.
 

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WWI started because other countries couldn't stay out of other countries business.

WWI was caused by Serbian nationalists assasinating the Archduke. Europe was in it's geopolitical situation in 1914 directly as a result of rampant nationalism.

Macron is a liar or ignoramus if he thinks nationalism is the opposite of patriotism. They are synonymous terms. Although I am sure the globalist scum will claim otherwise.

Nationalism and patriotism are not in the same category. One is love of one's country, the other is hatred of all others.
 

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I don't think there's a way back to living in the isolation humanity had in the past. As we've connected with others and increased our ability to communicate more effectively, there's been much to gain by increasing our reach. Without a doubt it has challenged our provincial ways, but you can think of the growing partnerships and cooperations as something you navigate carefully. There's much to gain, but things to lose as well; it's a matter of measuring what makes sense to keep and what to let go.

And how do you measure these things?

By what standard?

By whose standard?
 

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WWI started because other countries couldn't stay out of other countries business. The opposite of nationalism.More akin to globalism. WWII started because we screwed Germany with the war debt which ****ed Germany up and allowed Hitler to take over. This lets blame World wars on nationalism is nothing more than a globalist attempt to smear nationalism/patriotism.

Macron is a liar or ignoramus if he thinks nationalism is the opposite of patriotism. They are synonymous terms. Although I am sure the globalist scum will claim otherwise.

Agree. Should America have just minded it's own business in WWI?
 

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WWI started because other countries couldn't stay out of other countries business. The opposite of nationalism.More akin to globalism. WWII started because we screwed Germany with the war debt which ****ed Germany up and allowed Hitler to take over. This lets blame World wars on nationalism is nothing more than a globalist attempt to smear nationalism/patriotism.

Macron is a liar or ignoramus if he thinks nationalism is the opposite of patriotism. They are synonymous terms. Although I am sure the globalist scum will claim otherwise.

You are incorrect in one sense. War reparations had very little to do with the Third Reich taking over, the Great Depression ushered in extremist. Before 1929 the Nazis were falling in the polls. This changed after the Wall Street Crash. To say the Allies treatment of Germany ushered in the National Socialist is a simplistic explanation. The League of Nations did have some success, a good example is Mussolini's invasion of Corfu. The League of Nations failed as its creator Wilson could not get the isolationist on board at home. If the League of Nations had acted immediatly when Germany violated the Versailles treaty war may have been avoided. In 1936 Germany was in no position to defend its position in the demilitarized zone.

Nationalism was VERY much a key motivator in WW I. That and a bombastic, immature, very insecure Leader preaching nationalism. Sound familiar ?
 

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Nationalism had been a curse on humanity since long before a face that launched a thousand ships Who do you think you are kidding with this nonsense?

The UN is a failure. Today it is a collection of minor despotic countries who use the UN to promote hate. Trump recently made a good move, defunding UNRA, which was used by haters to promote hate and terrorism with out money. No more. They want our money, they have to play by our rules, with auditing of every dollar, only to be spent as we see fit. The free ride is over.

Don't you dare demonize those who love this nation of ours. No matter what your excuses may be.

Without nationalism societies and countries would not exist. We all would still be hunter-gathers living in skin tents and caves hunting with rock tipped spears.
 

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You are incorrect in one sense. War reparations had very little to do with the Third Reich taking over, the Great Depression ushered in extremist. Before 1929 the Nazis were falling in the polls. This changed after the Wall Street Crash. To say the Allies treatment of Germany ushered in the National Socialist is a simplistic explanation. The League of Nations did have some success, a good example is Mussolini's invasion of Corfu. The League of Nations failed as its creator Wilson could not get the isolationist on board at home. If the League of Nations had acted immediatly when Germany violated the Versailles treaty war may have been avoided. In 1936 Germany was in no position to defend its position in the demilitarized zone.

Nationalism was VERY much a key motivator in WW I. That and a bombastic, immature, very insecure Leader preaching nationalism. Sound familiar ?

in the late 1930's America was isolated, implementing protectionism, cut off.....Demagogues roamed the Country under the banner of "America First"...Preaching "Nationalism" The rest is history....
 

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WWI was caused by Serbian nationalists assasinating the Archduke. Europe was in it's geopolitical situation in 1914 directly as a result of rampant nationalism.



Nationalism and patriotism are not in the same category. One is love of one's country, the other is hatred of all others.

WW1 was started by GLOBALISTS who declared countries not involved at all must involve for global - not national - interests. Nearly all wars have been due to globalism, not nationalism and in the USA by Democratic Presidents.
 
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