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NASA just released 56 patented space and rocket technologies to the public

Sure they did. I also didn't say government is required for these types of developments either, by the way.



The government sometimes had a need for things that don't yet exist, and necessity is the mother of invention, so they seek out people and companies who have what it takes to fill those needs.
I take it you didn't actually read either #20 or #21, did you.
Please take a minute and actually read them.

If you choose to interpret my position as that of a big-government cheerleader extolling the virtues of the great communist benefactor, spawning an army of dutiful proles churning out the nostrums which save the great socialist collective, that says more about your built in mindset than it does about what I said, and that is becoming apparent by the fact that you keep inventing positions of mine that do not actually exist.

As I stated way back in the thread, Japan observed and copied the heavy lifting idea and took it to the next level, which eventually became
what we started calling "Japan, Inc." and the tsunami of cheap well made consumer goods that walloped the American marketplace was partly due to the fact that the economies of scale in that tiny island nation was buffered and buttressed by a network of investment banks which leveraged a benevolent alliance of business and government interests that allowed more risk taking and more innovation.
There is no Ministry of International Trade and Industry here and there never was, but in the postwar era and on into the 1960's and early 1970's, high tech in this country enjoyed a spirit of public/private partnership that stimulated advances faster than what a normally cautious private sector would approve of with unprotected venture capital.

Today, I do not even believe the same approach or methods would work the same chiefly because these high tech entities have now amassed much more cash and assets and they have gone global/multinational, thus their interests are likely much different than they were in the heady days of US Motorola, Bell Labs, Texas Instruments et al.

But take Tesla, for instance. Tesla's aims are indeed global in the long term but Elon Musk has stated quite firmly that he views his company as a distinctly American venture.

My opinion only: What would a "moon shot" approach do for a company like Tesla? This is not to say that Musk would welcome significant partnering with government supported development programs, but it's interesting to speculate how that would affect their strategy, especially when one considers the formidable overseas competition in battery development.

OK. I won't disagree that there is, or at least was, some worthwhile science and research the the government funded. However, the current reality is far from this.

'Shrimp On A Treadmill': The Politics Of 'Silly' Studies



Yeah, this and any number of other stupid spending. From my view it's only a way to siphon off government money to those who have a favored congressmen in their pocket.

How about some worth while research spending which has a chance of netting a payoff on the investment? How about just applying some common sense for change? Of course I realize that government is the antithesis of common sense.
 
The CURRENT reality?
Oh heck no. It's awful.
I was waxing wistful and poetic about how it used to be, which is odd when you consider that it boils down to a LIBERAL fondly remembering the benevolent corporatist fascism of the era (LOL) but that in point of fact IS what it was, a form of Yankee-Confucian fascism that said that whatever was good for American innovation was good for the taxpayer.

No, the current reality is something along the lines complaining about Solyndra while almost 75% of the other loan guarantees in that program worked out well. Better odds than the pickers and choosers on Wall Street IMHO. Meanwhile inane study after study becomes an amusing internet meme, a fighter jet NO ONE wants is still being made and we're still building brand new roads and bridges to underserved hamlets while the roads and bridges in our largest metropolii are falling into ruin.
If I ever need to get from Tallequah from Muskogee, I know I can do it in record time because the gubmint poured billions into making that stretch of highway good enough for an 80 mph speed limit but God forbid we dare trying to revive urban light commuter rail in Los Angeles.

No no, I was only referring to Uncle Sam giving a friendly nudge to the pioneers, but it was the pioneers doing all the innovating and inventing.
Sam was just asking if there was anything America's taxpayers could do to help.

Maybe I wasn't doing a great job of explaining it, but the thing that stuck out for me was the fact that while we were forging ahead and coming up with all this Yankee ingenuity, the Russians (our mortal enemies of that era) were still kludging along with vacuum tubes in their rockets and fighter jets.

PS: I like tubes just fine, on the power back end of my stereo ;)
 
The CURRENT reality?
Oh heck no. It's awful.
I was waxing wistful and poetic about how it used to be, which is odd when you consider that it boils down to a LIBERAL fondly remembering the benevolent corporatist fascism of the era (LOL) but that in point of fact IS what it was, a form of Yankee-Confucian fascism that said that whatever was good for American innovation was good for the taxpayer.

"Yankee-Confucian fascism" ? Now why does that suspiciously sound like word salad? Why are you really trying to say?

No, the current reality is something along the lines complaining about Solyndra while almost 75% of the other loan guarantees in that program worked out well. Better odds than the pickers and choosers on Wall Street IMHO. Meanwhile inane study after study becomes an amusing internet meme, a fighter jet NO ONE wants is still being made and we're still building brand new roads and bridges to underserved hamlets while the roads and bridges in our largest metropolii are falling into ruin.

It seems to me to make far more sense to allow the Pentagon to determine which weapon systems the need for their missions rather than leaving up to the House to determine which ones fund the 'right' congressional districts. I agree that this just seems utterly stupid.

If I ever need to get from Tallequah from Muskogee, I know I can do it in record time because the gubmint poured billions into making that stretch of highway good enough for an 80 mph speed limit but God forbid we dare trying to revive urban light commuter rail in Los Angeles.

More local control rather than state or federal control?

No no, I was only referring to Uncle Sam giving a friendly nudge to the pioneers, but it was the pioneers doing all the innovating and inventing.
Sam was just asking if there was anything America's taxpayers could do to help.

Maybe I wasn't doing a great job of explaining it, but the thing that stuck out for me was the fact that while we were forging ahead and coming up with all this Yankee ingenuity, the Russians (our mortal enemies of that era) were still kludging along with vacuum tubes in their rockets and fighter jets.

PS: I like tubes just fine, on the power back end of my stereo ;)

Yeah, tubes are for power amplifiers high end stereos and for guitars. Discrete components are for the mid-range to better stereo amplifiers, which are far better than chips for these purposes. Sometimes the old ways are better than the new ways.
 
"Yankee-Confucian fascism" ? Now why does that suspiciously sound like word salad? Why are you really trying to say?

Made you chuckle.
Japan Inc was often referred to as Confucian in its methodology.
 
See post #20 and #21, and for the last time (in large print)

I never said that the GOVERNMENT INVENTED THE MICROPROCESSOR.
Or any semiconductor.

If you continue with the Fenton style swiftboating bull**** (above) I will just put you on the ignore list, too.
Then the two of you can whine about me and act juvenile and I can ignore it.
Government heavy lifting is a fact in almost every significant area of high tech in this country.

But you didn't even mention the Man and Men that did. It was a partisan and dishonest attempt to shift the credit to the Federal Govt

And then you claimed the Govt was doing the " heavy lifting ".

Borrowing and printing to fund private sector contractors does not equate to " heavy lifting "

The heavy lifting was done at Bell Labs, at INTEL by people who were WAY to intelligent to get stuck in a Govt job
 
I think it's good that america is sharing it's accomplishments with everybody.
 
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