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Until you read this and realize that this is a world issue, you will be ignored.
Immigration ? Global Issues
This is a global issue and until Western economies realize this, you will be ignored.
Don't be so immature.
Are we willing to wall off Canada as well to keep terrorists out?
I'd say cause the US is pretty much bankrupt as is.Seriously, why shouldn't we fix Mexico?
Ya, we should stop funding them too.We send money to places like Egypt, etc among others. Yes, Egypt! Where, the GSJ (Global Salafi Jihad) started. Their leadership is Egyptian except for Bin Laden. You can blame them more for 9-11 than the Saudis.
Thats a piss poor bull**** excuse. We have done this to ourselves and we keep letting it happen, dude. Blaming **** on others does squat. The fact that they continue to cross into the US in ever increasing numbers (what over 12,000,000 in the last couple of years.) Illegals know if they get here they can get lost in the system and at the same time get a permit to drive, work with very few questions asked, their little boys and girls go to school for free and now they are elligable for state aid for some of the best universities around. Illegals are given welfare, food stamps etc. WHO in the flying **** would not want to come over!! Geez, be reasonable lol
The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico
Oh ****...Its too early for Godwin's law of nazi analogies. Perhaps, later on
You don't freaking know me. What the ****?!?
The problem is that we promise to be the land of opportunity but deny it way too readily to those who seek it.
To me, one of the easiest ways to fix the problem is to spread our beliefs on good pay for good work around the world so our jobs stop fleeing to places like Mexico where a factor worker gets paid less than a restaurant worker here.
Seriously, when a factory worker in Mexico is getting paid $3/hour, but the same person could be a line cook here for $7.50/hour - what the **** would you do?
It's pure and simple economics. We're spreading our corporatism; but we're not spreading our message for respect for the worker. Crap, we're trying to tear down the respect for the worker in this nation.
The solution a lot of people who want to build walls and shoot women and children here want to propose is to turn our nation into another Mexico. If we lower our worker conditions to the level of theirs, sure, they'll stop coming. That's a good solution.
Are we willing to wall off Canada as well to keep terrorists out? Seriously, why shouldn't we fix Mexico?
We send money to places like Egypt, etc among others.
The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico
“You’re never going to totally seal that border.”
Translation: "We don't have the will to do it."
Good hard working men and women fought long and hard for a fair pay and decent hours and standards for working conditions... we've squandered that by allowing these companies to move offshore, or hire slave labour.
Good post, except for the folowing:
We "squandered" that by failing to give the employers the ability to resist ridiculous wage demands by unions, by those same companies actually being complicit in those silly demands, and by the government and regulators taxing companies to the point where they want to escape overseas.
Since the United States is supposed to be a free country, there's really nothing the government should do to not "allow" companies to relocate overseas. What the government should have done is created a favorable environment to be competitive with offshore sites that competed for our businesses.
That's how free markets work.
We "squandered" that by failing to give the employers the ability to resist ridiculous wage demands by unions, by those same companies actually being complicit in those silly demands, and by the government and regulators taxing companies to the point where they want to escape overseas.
Since the United States is supposed to be a free country, there's really nothing the government should do to not "allow" companies to relocate overseas. What the government should have done is created a favorable environment to be competitive with offshore sites that competed for our businesses.
That's how free markets work.
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CNSNews.com - Napolitano:
Quote(Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, whose agency is charged with securing America’s borders, told an audience in Washington, D.C., in reference to the U.S.-Mexico border, “You’re never going to totally seal that border.”)
So in a similar vein to Joe Biden I guess they will sit on whatever laurels they imagine they have earned and do nothing further.
Are these the only examples you (Conservatives) can provide of so-called "controlled" markets run amuck? Until the housing market took a nose-dive, both Fannie and Freddie were applauded in the mortgage industry for their genious in creative financing. (Read the book, "Good to Great", by Jim Collins) It wasn't until other financial entities decided to latch onto their creative financing methods and greedily expand on them did the housing bubble burst! Until then, all was well in the direvatives market. Not saying that what Fannie and Freddie did wasn't wrong regardless, just saying I've grown weary of these two companies being used as the poster children of government intervention gone bad when so many other commercial businesses are equally if not more responsible for contributing to this country's economic problems.Controlled markets don't work, as FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC demonstrated most admirably.
But you're putting down the very problem with capitalizism and the free enterprise system. If one truly believes that a business will follow the money, then you must expect that eventually many businesses will go where they can obtain greater wealth at lower overhead costs. If so, we can expect more businesses to leave this country were cheap labor is plentiful but the cost of those goods and services will remains near fair market price. The problem here, of course, is fewer and fewer jobs will be found here in the states such is the problem we're facing today. Some, like you, have argued for years "that's just how the free market system works" which may be true, but it comes at a tremendous cost to the American workforce. Production plants and service sector jobs leave because the tax-code and increased wages allow or force them to.The reasons businesses move offshore is that it's less expensive to do their work there. The governments of the United States contributed greatly to this problem, as did the greedy unions.
So the governments and the unions got to see their jobs move off shore.
Boo hoo hoo.
That's how freedom works.
But what fields would those be? As we've seen from the housing bust, creative financing brought down our house of cards because we weren't playing with real money! It was nothing more than figures on a ledger. Alot of service sector jobs have been lost along with quite a few production jobs in their wake. Until the banking industry begins to feel "comfortable" again, the only other areas to truly tap into are energy, medicine and maybe micro-processing since technology stocks have continued to do well throughout the recession. Until then, I doubt this nation will see many areas of the workforce return any time soon (i.e., housing construction, road construction, banking, education).Since the answer the governments and the unions have to their little problem is less freedom, the governments and the unions can go play with themselves for all I care.
If we can't compete with China on labor costs, then we need to find some other field to play in.
I'm not sure where you're coming from here or where you're trying to go with these except to expand on the notion that government intervention doesn't work. I'd have to disagree with you here. There have been plenty of industries that have benefited from government intervention. The oil industry comes immediately to mind. Many energy companies as well. We won't even talk about agriculture. Maybe the government can't spur the economy in the same way as private enterprise, but to incinuate that U.S. industries haven't benefited from receiving support from the government is ridiculous and very untrue.Forcing the consumer to pay more because some companies can't compete without the muscle of government threat is morally wrong and economically inefficient.
Let's face it. People who's only saleable skill is putting the same door latch on the same car, day in and day out, shouldn't be getting paid a whole heck of a lot, because, realistically, their skill isn't hard to acquire, difficult or dangerous to perform, and those people are easy to replace. It's harsh, but that's the reality of life.
People that want to EARN a decent living need to learn a decent skill.
I suggest that the nation quit wasting it's children's time in school and start teaching them the math and science skills they need to move ahead in the world, not to mention teaching them real history, real english, and real economics.
The schools can do this by de-emphasizing feelings and baseless pride and focusing on real accomplishments, even if that means some of the little darlings might have their feelings hurt by not passing on to the next grade until they master the requirements of the grade their in. Us old folks called that "failure", and it was an embarassment we strove to avoid.
Can anyone wonder why a nation that abandoned excellence as it's standard has stopped being an excellent nation?
No, there isn't, but then again if we expected every little detail to be outlined in the Constitution our Founding Fathers would never have stopped writing the darn thing! Instead, they left the resposibility of governance to Congress, and as such, they write the laws of the land. Thus, they've set the minimum wage for the nation. Now, try to imagine if you will just for a moment how much of an imbalance our nation's economy would be if the states were allowed to call hourly wage earnings independent of each other? CA's hourly wages would probably be X10 higher than say MS or AL due to the fact that the later states don't have the technilogical industries to compete on a free market scale as CA. (Although Huntsville, AL, the city where I live, is a thriving technological mecca for the state.) Or you could compare NY w/CA; odds are you'd end up with the same imbalance. It's somewhat like that now but that imbalance stems from the free market system setting the price of goods and services within different geographic regions of the country based on supply and demand, not the minimum wage. All the minimum wage limit does is try to keep worker's earnings above the poverty level, nothing more. Still, I agree with you in so much as people should strive to educate themselves more so that they can make a living above the minimum wage limit.Edit:
Last time I checked, there's no authority in the Constitution for any legislated minimum wage.
ferris, scarecrow and Mcfly -
The way to fix the immigration problem is to make Mexico better. NAFTA helped some, but Canada benefitted even more than Mexico, so the gap widened.
A failed nation next-door is not a good idea and from a practical perspective there's no way you can insulate yourself from all that. Politics also abhores a vacuum. If the US does not fill a power vacuum in Mexico, some other nation would be tempted to do so. The same can be said about A-stan, Iraq and possibly Pakistan (Al Qaeda) ...All 3 are on another continent and we do not ignore them...Yet, we spend on 2 truly ****holes (About $3 billion a month in A-stan and 10 billion a month in Iraq) while Mexico recieves a paltry 75 million a year lol
We also need to see another angle...America’s huge demand for drugs and until the U.S and Canada curb their addiction problem, the kidnappings, murders, the whole bag of fun will continue...With a situation like that, one can't blame illegals for fleeing Mexico.
How to keep Mexico from collapsing to the people destabilizing it, the drug cartels and how to stop the massive profits flowing to the drug cartels?
And that's why Pres. Obama has continuously called for changing the tax codes to provide incentives for U.S. companies to bring jobs back to the U.S.
So we cant mine the parts that we cant put a fence up in?
Well... the 'what must be done' will require states and / or / with individuals working together to tackle the problems. Since the federal government through their inaction on the issue have declared their position.
This is basically what it comes down to. Is the U.S. prepared to invest the resources into building a wall that huge and maintaining it?
Your government should've thought twice before creating and signing NAFTA. It started this. We thought that it was a good idea to increase trade liberalization of all goods non-human, while trying to restrict human mobility. This is what neo-liberals don't seem to understand: you can't liberalize trade while shutting out the people. They will also want to move to where the money is going.
The influx in illegal immigration is the child of decades of economic myopia. People compare illegal Mexicans to immigrants who come from other nations abroad and say, "Those people land here legally, why can't the Mexicans?" The answer is that they are two different kinds of immigrants and it has nothing to do with their legal status. Mexico is part of NAFTA and thus is victim to all of its inequities. American business, including factories, shove their way into Mexico and drain all the local economy, shutting down traditional businesses, and draw the workers in, paying them next to nothing; then when the tide shifts, they close up shop and move elsewhere, maybe to China. Where do all those people go then? They flee to the border with the hopes of making some American green.
I really wish people would do more research about neo-liberalism, NAFTA, and trade inequities between Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. It would reveal a lot.
Theres a way that would get Mexico´s attention pretty quickly without killing anyone
Let's hear it...
ferris, scarecrow and Mcfly -
The way to fix the immigration problem is to make Mexico better. NAFTA helped some, but Canada benefitted even more than Mexico, so the gap widened.
A failed nation next-door is not a good idea and from a practical perspective there's no way you can insulate yourself from all that. Politics also abhores a vacuum. If the US does not fill a power vacuum in Mexico, some other nation would be tempted to do so. The same can be said about A-stan, Iraq and possibly Pakistan (Al Qaeda) ...All 3 are on another continent and we do not ignore them...Yet, we spend on 2 truly ****holes (About $3 billion a month in A-stan and 10 billion a month in Iraq) while Mexico recieves a paltry 75 million a year lol
We also need to see another angle...America’s huge demand for drugs and until the U.S and Canada curb their addiction problem, the kidnappings, murders, the whole bag of fun will continue...With a situation like that, one can't blame illegals for fleeing Mexico.
How to keep Mexico from collapsing to the people destabilizing it, the drug cartels and how to stop the massive profits flowing to the drug cartels?
Just enforce the I-9 laws.... this is largely a populace issue. The politicians have very little interest in actually changing the status quo, but rather enjoy lip service (throwing the public a bone here or there.)
The dems don't want it changed because of the voting demographic. The reps don't want it changed because business wants cheap labor. If you enforce the law and force employers to hire legals, the unemployment issue is eased and Mexicans have no reason to enter the US. Of course, business will have to pay a fair wage now, but that is what they should do.
Let's hear it...
Ok, but first, I´ll give you some hints
My issue with Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, is trying to convert the US to a Mexican culture. If they learned English, kept some Mexican customs and cooking, but became AMERICANS. Thats where everything is cool because, I wouldn't have a big problem (except the illegal bull****).
The major problem with people coming here to work and sending the money back to Mexico. If it wasn't for US dollars propping up the Mexican economy, things might have become bad enough that they would do *something about it*.
If I remember correctly; The 3rd major source of the Mexican economy is money sent back from the U.S.
You take it from there, dude
Not sure why the aggressive response though...
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