- Joined
- May 22, 2012
- Messages
- 103,985
- Reaction score
- 66,771
- Location
- Uhland, Texas
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Libertarian
It passed the House. Its hung up in the Senate.
Yep, and Pelosi is not a Senator.
It passed the House. Its hung up in the Senate.
She should be golfing insteadSo much for Democrats caring about this shutdown....If it were so important, they would be in DC working on finding a solution....Not, living it up like the rich and famous.
read my last post If you have any common sense.
Did you really think we would walk over to Mexico and give them an invoice for $25 Billion. If you really thought that, then you are Dumber than Trump.......(Sorry I dont normally call people names.) but the CNN rhetoric as well as the semantics game is getting tiring.
Or, go nuclear in the Senate but that is another debate.
The fact of the matter is if Republicans wanted government open it would be. But they decided a shut down over the wall was the way to go, so they own this outright.
Good for him. I hope he stands his ground.
Donald J. Trump on 11 December 2018 said:“I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you (Democrats) for it.”
It passed the House. Its hung up in the Senate.
So much for Democrats caring about this shutdown....If it were so important, they would be in DC working on finding a solution....Not, living it up like the rich and famous.
Actually in all fairness LET me correct myself.
YES TRUMP and Republicans OWN this.....
WHY. Because their constitutes expected it.
IN all fairness as I stated, WE shall see..... What happens because somethings GOT to give.
Either the Republican support will continue to build as that is the "Will of the People"
Or the will will give up on the wall and protest trump Currently I do NOT see a huge protest against the shutdown or the wall yet. as I stated it seems 51/49
NOT sure what side has the 51....there will be a point were it will it 70/30 for or against ......BUT again..... What the hell are we doing Why are we NOT negotiating?
Amelia CAN YOU Tell this again to All THE PEOPLE that keep saying that Republicans have the Majority...... YES we have the Majority for the millionth time.....
We do NOT have the SUPER majority to pass laws without bipartisan support.
WE NEED SUPER majority
2/3 in both house
67 Needed Senators in Congress
290 Reps in the HOUSE
Current - House
235 Democrats
200 Republicans
Current - Congress
53 - Republicans
45 - Dems
2 - Independents
NO SUPER MAJORITY
She probably doesn't want to run into any Guatemalans or Hondurans so she figured Hawaii was the perfect place.So much for Democrats caring about this shutdown....If it were so important, they would be in DC working on finding a solution....Not, living it up like the rich and famous.
Spare us the bull****. Republicans own this shutdown completely, until the next Congress starts in early January Republicans still control Congress and are entirely at fault for this.
No, we always knew that was going to be a nebulous standard that he could declare victory on with unprovable numbers and ultimately the wall funding would still sit on the books paid for by the US taxpayer.
She pulls Chucky's strings though.Yep, and Pelosi is not a Senator.
Why would the Dems care about Trump's shutdown? Trump can end it any time he wants. The longer he holds out the worse he will look when he caves. Now it looks like he is waiting so he can give Nancy her first victory. Sweet.
Did you really think we would walk over to Mexico and give them an invoice for $25 Billion. If you really thought that, then you are Dumber than Trump.......(Sorry I dont normally call people names.) but the CNN rhetoric as well as the semantics game is getting tiring.
1) The wall was asked of $25 Billion NOW its ONLY $5 Billion
GOP Senator John Cornyn of Texas said:"People can climb over the wall or go under the wall or through the wall. We've seen that in different places," said Sen. John Cornyn, Texas, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, explaining why a system of technology, infrastructure and personnel is preferable to a physical wall. "If it's just unattended without sensors, without technology, without people, then it won't work."
Yeah, Nancy also said the house does not have the votes to pass a bill for the wall. Shows how ignorant she is.
Now you come along and claim Trump will cave, just like your Pelosi was wrong.
SO What........ We spend SO MUCH money. The wall would be built FOR America, the wall would be funded by America and built by Americans through Jobs?
114 Billion to Iran?
What about all the NATO aid. and all the aid we send to other countries. FOR once WE cannot be selfish with our OWN money and USE it to protect ourselves?
SURE the wall is NOT perfect it wont stop ALL illegal immigration BUT its a start.
1) It is a deterrent
2) It is a barrier, its better than Nothing at all
So I understand its NOT for everyone, BUT if the will of the people speaks and we shall see... how long this shut down goes.. MAYBE Trump will have to if the Greater Will says he has to drop it... But seemingly again I still see a decent support for it..
So what you are saying is that dems really dont care about the furloughed workers at all. This is about a dem victory over Trump and nothing more. Nancy can pass what she likes but it will still take 60 votes in the senate to get it to the president. Thats hardly guaranteed.
Moving the Goal post around??? Really?
1) The wall was asked of $25 Billion NOW its ONLY $5 Billion
2) Prior shut down they OFFERED 1.8 MILLION DACA recipients amnesty.
We have some what of a negotiation on our side... What have the given to TRUMP as a concession?
Get your FACTS Straight as I HATE when people push the BULL CRAP Republicans hold majority. YES they DO BUT THE DO NOT HOLD A SUPER MAJORITY. Congress and the HOUSE NEEDS Super Majority of a SINGLE party to pass bills.
51/49 is majority in the sentate, BUT the SENATE requires 60 votes to PASS a BILL. REPUBLICANS NEVER EVER HAD THIS DURING Trumps time. PERIOD. so dont give me the bull about majority. IT REQUIRES Democrat support
I Dont care about Pelosi going on vacation ANY HUMAN Deserves Vacation. I want a FACTS of negotiation.
$25 Billion for a "WALL" and "Mexico" was going to pay. I understood context
"Wall" Barrier system be it physical or digital. That would secure a normally unsecured area, to detract potential breaches.
Mexico to pay, an simple minded person would know that we are NOT going to walk over to mexico and give them a $25 BILLION invoice. It would have to come through Tariff, Taxes and Trade.... But play the literal terms all you want.
FACT of the Matter is this.
1) like it or NOT a wall was part of what got trump elected
2) We went from $25billion to $5billion
3) @ $25 billion there was Amensty.
What negotiation has the Democrats given? WHAT? Give me something? $1.6 billion BUT its NOT for a wall? WTF is that....
She pulls Chucky's strings though.
I thought you cared about his policies? He campaigned on those policies. Of course it was a ridiculous claim. But that was his plan to pay for the wall. So you are telling me you voted for him because he was seriously going to build a wall with no plan to pay for it?
Is that a conservative fiscal policy?
Is that how successful business men do business?
I mean, really, the cult followers were screaming "Mexico" when asked who would pay for it. Now we are supposed to believe Schumer is the President of Mexico?
It is disgraceful.
OK...so Ms. Pelosi is a Senator now?
Yep, and Pelosi is not a Senator.
Then what the hell does Nancy have to do with it?
Hint: nothing.
*face palm*