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N. Korea says it won't denuclearize unless US removes threat

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From ABC News

N. Korea says it won't denuclearize unless US removes threat

North Korea said Thursday it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States first removes what Pyongyang called a nuclear threat. The surprisingly blunt statement jars with Seoul's rosier presentation of the North Korean position and could rattle the fragile trilateral diplomacy to defuse a nuclear crisis that last year had many fearing war.

The latest from North Korea comes as the United States and North Korea struggle over the sequencing of the denuclearization that Washington wants and the removal of international sanctions desired by Pyongyang. The statement carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency also raises credibility problems for the liberal South Korean government, which has continuously claimed that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is genuinely interested in negotiating away his nuclear weapons as Seoul tries to sustain a positive atmosphere for dialogue.

The North's comments may also be seen as proof of what outside skeptics have long said: that Kim will never voluntarily relinquish an arsenal he sees as a stronger guarantee of survival than whatever security assurances the United States might provide. The statement suggests North Korea will eventually demand the United States withdraw or significantly reduce the 28,500 American troops stationed in South Korea, a major sticking point in any disarmament deal.

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The rumour that Mr. Trump was planning on issuing a statement that he had never met Mr. Kim, that (even if he had ever met Mr. Kim) there had never been any so-called "agreement" between the United States of America, that (even if there had been such an agreement proposed) he had never signed it, that (even if he had signed such an agreement) he had only done so on the advice of counsel and there was nothing about the signing that was improper, that (even if there was something about the signing that was improper) the agreement was purely a personal matter between him and Mr. Kim, and that maybe Mr. Kim was planning on building more nuclear weapons and rockets but maybe he wasn't and (since all the evidence wasn't in yet) we shouldn't make up our minds yet - besides his gut told him that this was all fake news even though the so-called "experts" said it wasn't and that he was going to go with his gut is completely FALSE!

Well, isn't it?
 

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This aged well:

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Trump is Neville Chamberlain, Puff Daddy and The Beverly Hillbillies all rolled into one.

Absolutely hilarious.
 

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INB4 "at least he tried! Whattabout Obama (herp-derp)!"



And to think there were quite a few people here insisting that there was a real possibility Trump of all people might accomplish something by shaking hands and declaring NK as a threat over. Of course NK was doing what it has always done.
 

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INB4 "at least he tried! Whattabout Obama (herp-derp)!"



And to think there were quite a few people here insisting that there was a real possibility Trump of all people might accomplish something by shaking hands and declaring NK as a threat over. Of course NK was doing what it has always done.

Mr. Trump IS going to accomplish something, he is going to get all of the American troops out of Syria.

He has the support of the Turks on this and the Turks have pledged to wipe out the (according to Mr. Trump, no longer existent) ISIS and the Kurdish terrorists in Syria. The Turks have even agreed to defer their attack on the (according to Mr. Trump, no longer existent) ISIS and the Kurdish terrorists in Syria to allow the US troops time to disengage and go home.

Once there are no longer any American witnesses to what happens, the Turks will (very likely) reschedule their attack on the (according to Mr. Trump, no longer existent) ISIS and the Kurdish terrorists in Syria.

Not only that, but Mr. Trump is going to get all of the American troops out of Afghanistan now that the Taliban no longer exists (oh, wait, he hasn't announced that the Taliban no longer exists yet - wait for it, it'll come).

That means that Mr. Trump will be the only American President to have won two separate wars in his first term of office.
 

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So are Trump and Jong-un not in love anymore?

Trump quote in NYT article said:
“I was really being tough, and so was he,” Mr. Trump said Saturday of Kim Jong-un. “And we would go back and forth.” He added, to laughter from the crowd in Wheeling, W.Va.: “And then we fell in love, O.K.? No, really. He wrote me beautiful letters, and they’re great letters. We fell in love.”
 

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The statement suggests North Korea will eventually demand the United States withdraw or significantly reduce the 28,500 American troops stationed in South Korea, a major sticking point in any disarmament deal.

Apologies if this is a dumb question, but can someone explain why this is a major sticking point really?

Why could not USA agree to withdraw the 28k troops from South Korea? If they were later needed, how long would it take to get them back in really (while bombing the other side at the same time)?
 

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Apologies if this is a dumb question, but can someone explain why this is a major sticking point really?

Why could not USA agree to withdraw the 28k troops from South Korea? If they were later needed, how long would it take to get them back in really (while bombing the other side at the same time)?

It is a "major sticking point" because the US government doesn't want to do it since doing it would make it seem that the US government is doing what the Koreans want it to do rather than the Koreans doing what the US government tells them to do.

However, if Mr. Trump simply declares victory (after all the DPRK did agree to unilateral nuclear disarmament and the Korean War was fought to stop the Koreans from developing nuclear weapons - wasn't it) then the US troops could be "re-tasked" without affecting the political situation in Korea one bit.
 
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