If I'm guilty of a strawman then it's OP who needs to argue it because only OP can clarify what OP was trying to say.You pulled that strawman clearly out of your ass.
Now you're trying to save face.
Ok let's ask @Hari Seldon himself.If I'm guilty of a strawman then it's OP who needs to argue it because only OP can clarify what OP was trying to say.
That's not true. As statistical data with the approval of the patient I'm fine with that. Will help provide economic assistance, birth control, medical insurance etc. Reducing abortion with positive incentives is a good thing. It's a medical procedure and should be private like HIPPA requires. Cons want to go as far as track menstrual cycles and restrict travel etc. Politicians should not be making life changing medical decisions that's for sure. Preventing 12 year olds from reading certain books but forcing them to give birth is a disgrace.OPs meme refers to the former, read his posts to me in this thread, he doesn't think anyone should be reading anonymous data.
Your OP doesn't say this. You mock statistical data akin to what we find at Guttmacher. Your OP sends the message that we shouldn't be allowed to know anonyms statistical data collected by reputable institutions.That's not true. As statistical data with the approval of the patient I'm fine with that. Will help provide economic assistance, birth control, medical insurance etc. Reducing abortion with positive incentives is a good thing. It's a medical procedure and should be private like HIPPA requires. Cons want to go as far as track menstrual cycles and restrict travel etc. Politicians should not be making life changing medical decisions that's for sure. Preventing 12 year olds from reading certain books but forcing them to give birth is a disgrace.
Only to you.Your OP doesn't say this. You mock statistical data akin to what we find at Guttmacher. Your OP sends the message that we shouldn't be allowed to know anonyms statistical data collected by reputable institutions.
Clearly not. You haven't been reading the thread.Only to you.
Your OP says statistical data is "nobody's business". Clearly your OP does not say what you are saying now. Please stop moving the goal posts.As statistical data with the approval of the patient I'm fine with that.
It does? Show me.Your OP says statistical data is "nobody's business". Clearly your OP does not say what you are saying now. Please stop moving the goal posts.
It means I'm not hiding. Not only are you not fact checking for yourself, but you're using emotive language.
I would never want to stop people from having sex.
Sex is the dessert of life.
I raised both my children with this concept. Prohibition of thought never works. Ever.
Instead - you use common sense and inform the young.
It is the same with alcohol as an example. Teens are fascinated with it. They so much want to "act older" - but they have no inhibitions. So they drink till they are drunk over and over. And many are killed themselves, and kill others.
Instead - introduce alcohol when they are well before that stage. I did with my children at 12. Talked about how much better a pleasant buzz is than getting shit faced drunk. Both of them never drank much at all as teenagers. It was not a big deal to them, and peer pressure didn't work because I taught them about that as well.
Abortion is not the answer in dealing with unwanted pregnancies. Education and common sense - IS.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. I disagree.
Accidental pregnancy is a misnomer. It is a myth,And yet common sense can also be applied when accidental pregnancies occur. If you cannot raise a kid, if you would lose your job or not finish your education (investing in your place in society serves all society), if you'd be risking an income and providing for other dependents, etc etc etc...it's common sense and responsible to not produce another kid requiring taxpayer $$ to assist in raising it, and dumping it in a pool of ~100,000 kids already waiting to be adopted.
You dont compound mistakes with more mistakes. That's not common sense. Why isnt abortion the answer if that is the best choice for that woman? It can be very responsible.
Accidental pregnancy is a misnomer. It is a myth,
No one accidently has sex.
And to clarify, I am not 100% against abortion. I am not. The obvious if the mother's life is at risk, the result of rape or incest. Also if it is a girl under 18 - they should be given some latitude. No sense ruining her life. I have a daughter.
But abortion as birth control should never-ever-ever be paid for by tax dollars in any way shape or form.
So if someone uses birth control and it fails, the resulting pregnancy is not an accident?Accidental pregnancy is a misnomer. It is a myth,
Irrelevant.No one accidently has sex.
What does it matter what the circumstances are? If a woman determines her life might be ruined by pregnancy/birth, then why should she not be given the same consideration?And to clarify, I am not 100% against abortion. I am not. The obvious if the mother's life is at risk, the result of rape or incest. Also if it is a girl under 18 - they should be given some latitude. No sense ruining her life. I have a daughter.
It's not, per the Hyde Amendment.But abortion as birth control should never-ever-ever be paid for by tax dollars in any way shape or form.
Right, all sex is carefully planned for; nobody ever got carried away in the moment.Accidental pregnancy is a misnomer. It is a myth,
No one accidently has sex.
Fine, then honestly recognize the real problem:And to clarify, I am not 100% against abortion. I am not. The obvious if the mother's life is at risk, the result of rape or incest. Also if it is a girl under 18 - they should be given some latitude. No sense ruining her life. I have a daughter.
But abortion as birth control should never-ever-ever be paid for by tax dollars in any way shape or form.
I thin you used the wrong word in an earlier post. You mean circumcision ( foreskin removal), not a vasectomy. Vasectomy is the male sterility procedureI'm generaly opposed to plastic surgery on children when there's no medical need. There's a growing voice in America advocating letting boys chose for themselves when they turn 18. There are pros and cons on both sides of keeping the forskin and having it removed.
You're right, I did. I apologize.I thin you used the wrong word in an earlier post. You mean circumcision ( foreskin removal), not a vasectomy. Vasectomy is the male sterility procedure
No you're not.I'm pro-choice
Some consider it murder.Why should an adult's decision for an abortion...be subject to public opinion?
Gender-affirming hormone treatment for minors, prisoners, and illegal immigrants has been in the news.Again, what other medical procedures do the public vote on access to for strangers?
I don't know how to answer that question. I simply accept that this is a topic we tend to need to vote on and I go from there.You may be pro-choice but I dont understand why you believe it should be public policy to regulate its access?
Some consider it murder.
Gender-affirming hormone treatment for minors, prisoners, and illegal immigrants has been in the news.
I don't know how to answer that question. I simply accept that this is a topic we tend to need to vote on and I go from there.
You're asking me why we shouldn't let people murder? you and I agree that elective abortion is not murder, but to those who think it is, preventing murder is a core universal function of all societies who ever existed.Why should those that dont be forced to submit to their belief?
Are they? Where is this being voted on? And that issue is regarding $$$ for the prisoners and immigrants, who's paying for it.
As for kids, where is that being voted on? Where are they taking that out of parental consent/hands?
So you're asking me why it's ok to accept it, not why it should continue.And I have asked why you accept it's ok for strangers to vote on what happens to a woman's body, health, the risks to her life every day, and the demand to produce another unwanted life without her consent?
You're asking me why we shouldn't let people murder? you and I agree that elective abortion is not murder, but to those who think it is, preventing murder is a core universal function of all societies who ever existed.
So you're asking me why it's ok to accept it, not why it should continue.
Accepting a bad experience, is a good experience. The meaning of life is to learn to dance in the rain.
Then I don't understand what you wrote. Would you minde rewording the question, please?Nope, that's not what I wrote. Please address what I wrote.
I said it's in the news, that's what the link shows. I didn't express an opinion or make an argument on those topics so there's nothing that needs to be quoted.Quotes please, I'm not doing it for you.
Because I can't change it. People are going to keep abortion in the public eye whether or not we like it.If it's not ok, why would you accept it?
Then I don't understand what you wrote. Would you minde rewording the question, please?
I said it's in the news, that's what the link shows. I didn't express an opinion or make an argument on those topics so there's nothing that needs to be quoted.
Because I can't change it. People are going to keep abortion in the public eye whether or not we like it.
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