My opinion on filling Supreme Court vacancies close to an election

[bluesmoke]

Though they did impeach trump.

Pelosi had to be dragged kicking and screaming into that deal.

 

[Craig234]

Pelosi had to be dragged kicking and screaming into that deal.

She gave that impression, but it's hard to tell what was actually happening. She did not want the country accusing the Democrats of rushing to impeachment for partisan reasons, and could have been trying to give that appearance.

 

[bluesmoke]

She gave that impression, but it's hard to tell what was actually happening. She did not want the country accusing the Democrats of rushing to impeachment for partisan reasons, and could have been trying to give that appearance.

Meaning it was politics, not her constitutional duty (secondary), by which reasoning she finally decided to impeach Trump.

 

[Craig234]

Meaning it was politics, not her constitutional duty (secondary), by which reasoning she finally decided to impeach Trump.

Oh my gosh, politics play a part in the country. Shocking. Yes. Every impeachment has an issue of building public support for the impeachment, and the people's will. Impeachment is a political process. The definition of high crimes and misdemeanors is a political process. Republicans' deciding whether to support their president in impeachment has political elements - but with trump they took it to an extreme. Pelosi did not.

 

[bluesmoke]

Oh my gosh, politics play a part in the country. Shocking. Yes. Every impeachment has an issue of building public support for the impeachment, and the people's will. Impeachment is a political process. The definition of high crimes and misdemeanors is a political process. Republicans' deciding whether to support their president in impeachment has political elements - but with trump they took it to an extreme. Pelosi did not.

Yes, impeachment is a political process. It is neither a criminal nor civil court. Both House and Senate outcomes were safe bets. But Pelosi had much else to have gone after more aggressively to build a case for impeachment: Fraudulent charity, fraudulent university, tax fraud, favoring Putin over all the intelligence agencies, failure to defend our elections, obstructing any efforts to investigate any of his goings-on (not just Ukraine). Instead, Pelosi and the Dems put up with delay after delay and never pushed the envelope as did Trump and the Reps, thus delaying the entire process and not having the necessary time to do the job right in preparing a case. Like you said, Trump and the Reps went to an extreme, Pelosi did not. She wouldn't fight the battle needed to win. Trump and the Reps did.

 

[Craig234]

Yes, impeachment is a political process. It is neither a criminal nor civil court. Both House and Senate outcomes were safe bets.

That doesn't mean, 'both parties did the partisan thing'. The Democrats followed the law and facts; the Republicans did the opposite. One party did the wrong thing for partisan reasons.

But Pelosi had much else to have gone after more aggressively to build a case for impeachment: Fraudulent charity, fraudulent university, tax fraud, favoring Putin over all the intelligence agencies, failure to defend our elections, obstructing any efforts to investigate any of his goings-on (not just Ukraine). Instead, Pelosi and the Dems put up with delay after delay and never pushed the envelope as did Trump and the Reps, thus delaying the entire process and not having the necessary time to do the job right in preparing a case. Like you said, Trump and the Reps went to an extreme, Pelosi did not. She wouldn't fight the battle needed to win. Trump and the Reps did.

A case could be made for that, but she had some hard choices. A political reality was how much public support there was for different charges; the Ukraine issue is the one the public really reacted to, and the one they continued to say trump deserved to be removed over. She picked what had the people's support. I'd have liked her to use more, but she has a good sense of the politics. And would it have mattered, with this corrupt Senate?[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[bluesmoke]

That doesn't mean, 'both parties did the partisan thing'. The Democrats followed the law and facts; the Republicans did the opposite. One party did the wrong thing for partisan reasons.



A case could be made for that, but she had some hard choices. A political reality was how much public support there was for different charges; the Ukraine issue is the one the public really reacted to, and the one they continued to say trump deserved to be removed over. She picked what had the people's support. I'd have liked her to use more, but she has a good sense of the politics. And would it have mattered, with this corrupt Senate?

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Yup. Dems are the ones that followed the law and the facts. But not aggressively, or even assertively.

Yes, Pelosi picked what had the people's support. But what Dems fail to do, time after time, is push matters to the attention of the public and be more aggressive, like the Reps are, in pursuing the facts while still following the law that would expose Trump impeachable offense rather than just wait for something to come along. Like COVID came along to bring down so dangerous a president that they probably could not have for their lack of the aggressiveness the Reps possess.

 

[Craig234]

Yes, Pelosi picked what had the people's support. But what Dems fail to do, time after time, is push matters to the attention of the public and be more aggressive, like the Reps are, in pursuing the facts while still following the law that would expose Trump impeachable offense rather than just wait for something to come along.

I'd like Democrats to do better too, but I think you don't appreciate the limits on what they can do as well, they don't control the media. They do a lot that isn't covered, from passing bills, to I saw a speech by Schumer on the floor and others yesterday, that had almost no coverage. Bernie got almost no coverage in 2016; trump had $2 billion in huge free coverage.