My friend and I are currently in a debate regarding economic policies and taxes.

[jaeger19]

A GREAT example of the lack of ethics in elections exists in Pennsylvania.

They decided that Signatures are not a reliable method to verify the legitimacy of mail in ballots.

A rational solution would have been to define a system by which the legitimacy of ballots COULD be verified.

Instead, they decided that if the recommended system of verification was inadequate, then NO SYSTEM would be employed.

This is, without any doubt whatever, the most irrationally, stupidly, asinine outcome that this consideration COULD produce.

It sounds like the sort of decision that would be produced in a Monty Python skit written to demonstrate how stupid the idiots in charge can be.

Actually no.
The logical..and conservative thing would not be to create an unneeded law to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[code1211]

Yep..you missed that the purview was to investigate the Russian interference in the election..
And it could follow any connections the Russians had with the Trump campaign that the investigation uncovered.
Which it ultimately did.
You do realize that Mueller did find that Russian operatives were meeting with members of the Trump campaign and the Trump campaign had members that had ties to Russia right.?
So you want free and fair elections..
But when 17 us intelligence agencies have evidence that a foreign power has tried to influence a US election. And that evidence leads to Russian operatives meeting or trying to meet with one of the campaigns..and it reveals that some of the folks working for that campaign have ties to that foreign government..
And some of them lie about it..or lie to investigators when questioned..
You think that the us shouldn't be investigating..
Because you want free and fair election?
But with no evidence at all..none..you want another investigation...by who knows..into the 2020 election. After no election fraud has been found?
Give us all a break.
You have been lied to by trump from day one.

You seem to be hopelessly irrational in this topic area.

The purview was to investigate Trump and Trump and Trump Associates.

The findings that you pervert showed that things happened and that they Trump campaign in general and Trump in particular had nothing at all to do with them.

By its mission statement, the "investigation" was set up to be a "Witch Hunt". They fulfilled their mission statement.

 

[code1211]

Actually no.
The logical..and conservative thing would not be to create an unneeded law to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Another irrational avoidance of fact and reality.

 

[jaeger19]

You seem to be hopelessly irrational in this topic area.

The purview was to investigate Trump and Trump and Trump Associates.

The findings that you pervert showed that things happened and that they Trump campaign in general and Trump in particular had nothing at all to do with them.

By its mission statement, the "investigation" was set up to be a "Witch Hunt". They fulfilled their mission statement.

Nope.. the purview was to investigate russian involvement in meddling with the election and it granted permission to explore any connections with the russians with the Trump campaign.
The findings did find that there was no collusion with Trump or his Campaign.
The finding also found that the Russians TRIED to collude with the Trump campaign.. and that the campaign had a number of members that met with the russians or had ties with them. In addition.. if found that when it came to the campaign.. some campaign members broke the law either in lying to investigators about meeting with Russians. or lied and broke tax laws by failure to disclose money from russian backed lobby groups.. or intimidated witness etc. to
It was far from a witch hunt. It was actually tremendously successful in revealing and indicting the Russian nationals that were trying to influence the campaign.. and the ways in which the Russians tried to influence the election.

Whats funny.. is that the Mueller campaign.. investigated and found Russians trying to influence the campaign. Why didn't Trump celebrate that? Why would he not want to discover and indict any foreign nationals and foreign governments trying to influence a campaign?

Can YOU answer that? Why do you think its a witch hunt.. when you find multiple russian foreign nationals trying to influence a US campaign?
Thats what I cannot understand about Trump and you Trumpers.

You supposedly care about free and fair elections. Yet here you have obvious evidence of Russians trying to influence the election. You have an investigation into rooting out any connections with these russians? IF the campaign has nothing to hide.. if Trump has nothing to hide.. why not welcome this investigation? Why not cooperate fully and root out any hint of foriegn influence into the election?

Can you explain why when there is overwhelming evidence of russian meddling with the 2016 election... you don't want it investigated?

Please explain.

 

[code1211]

Nope.. the purview was to investigate russian involvement in meddling with the election and it granted permission to explore any connections with the russians with the Trump campaign.
The findings did find that there was no collusion with Trump or his Campaign.
The finding also found that the Russians TRIED to collude with the Trump campaign.. and that the campaign had a number of members that met with the russians or had ties with them. In addition.. if found that when it came to the campaign.. some campaign members broke the law either in lying to investigators about meeting with Russians. or lied and broke tax laws by failure to disclose money from russian backed lobby groups.. or intimidated witness etc. to
It was far from a witch hunt. It was actually tremendously successful in revealing and indicting the Russian nationals that were trying to influence the campaign.. and the ways in which the Russians tried to influence the election.

Whats funny.. is that the Mueller campaign.. investigated and found Russians trying to influence the campaign. Why didn't Trump celebrate that? Why would he not want to discover and indict any foreign nationals and foreign governments trying to influence a campaign?

Can YOU answer that? Why do you think its a witch hunt.. when you find multiple russian foreign nationals trying to influence a US campaign?
Thats what I cannot understand about Trump and you Trumpers.

You supposedly care about free and fair elections. Yet here you have obvious evidence of Russians trying to influence the election. You have an investigation into rooting out any connections with these russians? IF the campaign has nothing to hide.. if Trump has nothing to hide.. why not welcome this investigation? Why not cooperate fully and root out any hint of foriegn influence into the election?

Can you explain why when there is overwhelming evidence of russian meddling with the 2016 election... you don't want it investigated?

Please explain.

Have you read the authorization written by Rosenstein? I [posted it for your convenience and you seem to have ignored it or failed to understand it.

 

[jaeger19]

Have you read the authorization written by Rosenstein? I [posted it for your convenience and you seem to have ignored it or failed to understand it.

Yes.. the question is HAVE YOU. You seem fixated ONLY on the part where it authorizes Mueller to follow any leads of the investigation that connect Russians to the Trump Campaign. Which of course we now know... DID EXIST.
And you fail to realize that the overarching authorization was to investigate Russians meddling in the election.

I want you to answer this: Why would Trump, if he was innocent,,... not want an investigation into allegations that the Russians had tried to meddle in the 2016 election. When 17 US intelligence agencies all agreed that they had?
Why would trump think its a "witch hunt"? Why would he not want an investigation to root out any potential election fraud.. when there was obvious evidence from 17 US intelligence agencies?
Please explain.
Why would Trump and Trumpers.. not rejoice that Mueller ferreted out some 13 or so Russian operatives and companies that tried to influence the election?
Why would they not rejoice that the investigation uncovered the ties to the russians within the Trump campaign.. and uncover the unsuccessful attempts the russians made to collude with the campaign?
Please explain.

 

[code1211]

Yes.. the question is HAVE YOU. You seem fixated ONLY on the part where it authorizes Mueller to follow any leads of the investigation that connect Russians to the Trump Campaign. Which of course we now know... DID EXIST.
And you fail to realize that the overarching authorization was to investigate Russians meddling in the election.

I want you to answer this: Why would Trump, if he was innocent,,... not want an investigation into allegations that the Russians had tried to meddle in the 2016 election. When 17 US intelligence agencies all agreed that they had?
Why would trump think its a "witch hunt"? Why would he not want an investigation to root out any potential election fraud.. when there was obvious evidence from 17 US intelligence agencies?
Please explain.
Why would Trump and Trumpers.. not rejoice that Mueller ferreted out some 13 or so Russian operatives and companies that tried to influence the election?
Why would they not rejoice that the investigation uncovered the ties to the russians within the Trump campaign.. and uncover the unsuccessful attempts the russians made to collude with the campaign?
Please explain.

The investigation was established and conducted only to implicate Trump and Trump associates.

You are dancing around trying to deny reality.

Why?

 

[jaeger19]

The investigation was established and conducted only to implicate Trump and Trump associates.

You are dancing around trying to deny reality.

Why?

Do you deny that 17 us intelligence agencies found evidence that Russia tried to meddle in the 2016 us election?
If not..why would you not want that investigated. ?

The only one trying to deny reality here is you.
But please answer.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Trickle-down does not work, except for the rich and large corps, and, being regressive, is antithetical to our tax system as designed, being a progressive one, that the Republicans have been rather successful at regressing at every possible turn with the Dems looking on. Hence, wages have not kept up with either productivity or COL while the rich and large corps accumulate wealth and widen the wealth gap btx the lower and highest income levels, with the lower levels NOT accumulating appreciable wealth.

Even though Trumps corporate tax cuts and reduced regulations, companies rasied wages and bonuses along with more job creation for buisness expansion.

 

[jaeger19]

Even though Trumps corporate tax cuts and reduced regulations, companies rasied wages and bonuses along with more job creation for buisness expansion.

At the same pace it had under obama..in fact it might have been a little less.

 

[code1211]

Do you deny that 17 us intelligence agencies found evidence that Russia tried to meddle in the 2016 us election?
If not..why would you not want that investigated. ?

The only one trying to deny reality here is you.
But please answer.

In what way does that assertion attach to anything that Trump did or did not do.

 

[jaeger19]

In what way does that assertion attach to anything that Trump did or did not do.

Bingo! .but. it does underscore the need for an investigation into the Russians attempt to meddle in the election and to investigate any leads into attempts to collude with the Trump campaign or infiltrate the campaign.

You hit the nail on the head..nothing about the reason for the Mueller investigation was an assertion of what trump did or did not do..
So..here is the rub...why would Trump and you trumpers not welcome an investigation into the Russian meddling into the election and any attempts to collude with the campaign? When you have 17 agencies saying they have evidence?
Please explain

 

[code1211]

Bingo! .but. it does underscore the need for an investigation into the Russians attempt to meddle in the election and to investigate any leads into attempts to collude with the Trump campaign or infiltrate the campaign.

You hit the nail on the head..nothing about the reason for the Mueller investigation was an assertion of what trump did or did not do..
So..here is the rub...why would Trump and you trumpers not welcome an investigation into the Russian meddling into the election and any attempts to collude with the campaign? When you have 17 agencies saying they have evidence?
Please explain

I assume they would all say there was evidence of various things that cannot be proven. this is only one more.

$100,000 buy of ads on Facebook seems to be the whole extent of what they're talking about.

 

[jaeger19]

I assume they would all say there was evidence of various things that cannot be proven. this is only one more.

$100,000 buy of ads on Facebook seems to be the whole extent of what they're talking about.

Nope it isn't.
Russians hacked state voter databases in at least 21 states.
The Russians hacked computers at the dnc and Clinton campaign staffers and volunteers.
They then gave these stolen documents to wikileaks.
Which is how Roger stone was connected.
During the republican primary..the Russians hacked Mark rubios campaign and Lindsey graham's campaighn.
The Russians not only spent AT Least 100000 on Facebook ads..but set up thousands and thousands of fake social media accounts posing as americans..to spread disinformation. Their content was seen by 126 million on Facebook alone.
Russian intelligence tried to set up meetings or actually set up meetings with trump campaign staff.
Any one thing would be cause for investigation..but all of it?
So why with all this evidence from 17 us agencies.. do trump and trumpers not welcome a full investigation into Russian meddling and investigate any attempts to connect to the Trump campaign?
Here is a massive attempt to steal an election by a foreign country...?
Please explain.

 

[code1211]

Nope it isn't.
Russians hacked state voter databases in at least 21 states.
The Russians hacked computers at the dnc and Clinton campaign staffers and volunteers.
They then gave these stolen documents to wikileaks.
Which is how Roger stone was connected.
During the republican primary..the Russians hacked Mark rubios campaign and Lindsey graham's campaighn.
The Russians not only spent AT Least 100000 on Facebook ads..but set up thousands and thousands of fake social media accounts posing as americans..to spread disinformation. Their content was seen by 126 million on Facebook alone.
Russian intelligence tried to set up meetings or actually set up meetings with trump campaign staff.
Any one thing would be cause for investigation..but all of it?
So why with all this evidence from 17 us agencies.. do trump and trumpers not welcome a full investigation into Russian meddling and investigate any attempts to connect to the Trump campaign?
Here is a massive attempt to steal an election by a foreign country...?
Please explain.

Because the "investigation" was not FULL.

If the events investigated did not implicate Trump or the Trump Campaign in any way, it was ignored.

The problem was that nor CRIME was committed to initiate the investigation. A person was targeted and the investigation was the weapon used in the attack.

 

[jaeger19]

Because the "investigation" was not FULL.

If the events investigated did not implicate Trump or the Trump Campaign in any way, it was ignored.

The problem was that nor CRIME was committed to initiate the investigation. A person was targeted and the investigation was the weapon used in the attack.

WTF? How was the investigation not full?

Mueller got indictments on 13 some russian nationals and companies for meddling.. that did not implicate Trump
Mueller discovered several attempts at russian operatives trying to meet with or set up meetings with the trump campaign. He got indictments on two of his campaign folks for lying about these attempts. THOUGH they did not implicate trump.
He got an indictment and conviction on an individual for inappropriate use of Campaign funds which did not "implicate trump"
He got an indictment on a person who was connected to wikileaks for lying to the FBI and tampering with witness involving the Russians leaking stolen documents to wikileaks. Again..not implicating Trump.

So you claiming that if "events did not implicate Trump or the Campaign".. they were ignored" ? Is truly beyond absurd.

And YES.. crimes were committed that started the investigation into Russian meddling. In FACT. we KNOW there were crimes committed because some 13 Russian nationals were indicted by a grand jury.

Your premise doesn;t even come CLOSE to the facts sir.

Thats what doesn;t make sense to me as a republican. HOW can you say that there was no need for the investigation.. that it was merely an "attack".. on apparently TRUMP.
WHEN.. the purpose of the investigation was to investigate Russian involvement in the 2016 election and yes.. they had the power to follow any leads that led to the campaign. ???

WHY when 17 intelligence agencies have confirmed that there was evidence that the Russians attempted to interfere with the 2016 election.. would you NOT want an investigation into that? WHY would you NOT want any attempts the russians operatives made to collude with or attempt to infiltrate the campaign.. investigated?

SO.. in the 2020 election.. Every intelligence and law enforcement agency in the federal government and the states.. including republican elections officials have reviewed, investigated and were watching prior.. for any evidence of fraud in the 2020 election.. and they have found NO EVIDENCE of fraud..
But but... without ANY evidence what so ever of systemic fraud.. YOU want an investigation.. but you can't even say WHO you would want to do the investigation since everyone in a position and has the expertise to investigate the 2020 election has said.. "there is no evidence of fraud".

YET.. when 17 intelligence agencies in the US.. not to mention state investigators.. say that in 2016.. there was evidence of Russian attempts at influencing th election...
You DON"T think there should have been an investigation.
And when that investigation finds out "well YES.. the Russians DID attempt to influence the election".. and indictments were granted for 13 Russian nationalists and companies... and YES there were attempts by the russians to collude and infiltrate the Trump campaign.. and that trump campaign members did LIE about their meetings with russians...

YOU STILL.. don;t think there should have been an investigation? PLEASE EXPLAIN YOURSELF.

 

[code1211]

WTF? How was the investigation not full?

Mueller got indictments on 13 some russian nationals and companies for meddling.. that did not implicate Trump
Mueller discovered several attempts at russian operatives trying to meet with or set up meetings with the trump campaign. He got indictments on two of his campaign folks for lying about these attempts. THOUGH they did not implicate trump.
He got an indictment and conviction on an individual for inappropriate use of Campaign funds which did not "implicate trump"
He got an indictment on a person who was connected to wikileaks for lying to the FBI and tampering with witness involving the Russians leaking stolen documents to wikileaks. Again..not implicating Trump.

So you claiming that if "events did not implicate Trump or the Campaign".. they were ignored" ? Is truly beyond absurd.

And YES.. crimes were committed that started the investigation into Russian meddling. In FACT. we KNOW there were crimes committed because some 13 Russian nationals were indicted by a grand jury.

Your premise doesn;t even come CLOSE to the facts sir.

Thats what doesn;t make sense to me as a republican. HOW can you say that there was no need for the investigation.. that it was merely an "attack".. on apparently TRUMP.
WHEN.. the purpose of the investigation was to investigate Russian involvement in the 2016 election and yes.. they had the power to follow any leads that led to the campaign. ???

WHY when 17 intelligence agencies have confirmed that there was evidence that the Russians attempted to interfere with the 2016 election.. would you NOT want an investigation into that? WHY would you NOT want any attempts the russians operatives made to collude with or attempt to infiltrate the campaign.. investigated?

SO.. in the 2020 election.. Every intelligence and law enforcement agency in the federal government and the states.. including republican elections officials have reviewed, investigated and were watching prior.. for any evidence of fraud in the 2020 election.. and they have found NO EVIDENCE of fraud..
But but... without ANY evidence what so ever of systemic fraud.. YOU want an investigation.. but you can't even say WHO you would want to do the investigation since everyone in a position and has the expertise to investigate the 2020 election has said.. "there is no evidence of fraud".

YET.. when 17 intelligence agencies in the US.. not to mention state investigators.. say that in 2016.. there was evidence of Russian attempts at influencing th election...
You DON"T think there should have been an investigation.
And when that investigation finds out "well YES.. the Russians DID attempt to influence the election".. and indictments were granted for 13 Russian nationalists and companies... and YES there were attempts by the russians to collude and infiltrate the Trump campaign.. and that trump campaign members did LIE about their meetings with russians...

YOU STILL.. don;t think there should have been an investigation? PLEASE EXPLAIN YOURSELF.

The investigation was authorized to investigate Trump. The obvious connections to the Democrat party and the Hillary Campaign in particular were ignored.

 

[jaeger19]

The investigation was authorized to investigate Trump. The obvious connections to the Democrat party and the Hillary Campaign in particular were ignored.

The investigation was authorized to investigate Russian meddling
That was its primary directive and if it led to the campaign..then it could investigate that.
The investigation indicted a ton of Russians that had nothing to do with the campaign and other people that had to do 2ith hacking and stealing voter data..emails from republican challengers to Trump..stealing data from the dnc..hacking Clinton staffers..
It found all of that...how is that possible IF THE ONLY THING THEY WERE TO INVESTIGATE WAS TRUMP!!!
The connection to the Hillary campaighn was not ignored.. thats how they discovered the Russians got into the emails anfmd phones of Clinton staffers and volunteers on the campaighn.
Sweet baby jesus you are being purposely obtuse.
Why?
Please explain why you will ignore the objective evidence that the Mueller investigation..investigated Russian interference..and found a ton of it?
Why 2ould you not want that investigated? Explain

 

[code1211]

The investigation was authorized to investigate Russian meddling
That was its primary directive and if it led to the campaign..then it could investigate that.
The investigation indicted a ton of Russians that had nothing to do with the campaign and other people that had to do 2ith hacking and stealing voter data..emails from republican challengers to Trump..stealing data from the dnc..hacking Clinton staffers..
It found all of that...how is that possible IF THE ONLY THING THEY WERE TO INVESTIGATE WAS TRUMP!!!
The connection to the Hillary campaighn was not ignored.. thats how they discovered the Russians got into the emails anfmd phones of Clinton staffers and volunteers on the campaighn.
Sweet baby jesus you are being purposely obtuse.
Why?
Please explain why you will ignore the objective evidence that the Mueller investigation..investigated Russian interference..and found a ton of it?
Why 2ould you not want that investigated? Explain

Didn't even glance at the authorization that I linked to for you, didja.

 

[rickc]

Another example of the rights separate reality!

Republican propaganda is very effective

 

[jaeger19]

Didn't even glance at the authorization that I linked to for you, didja.

Read it completely... you obviously didn't:

Didn't even glance at the authorization that I linked to for you, didja.

Hmm:

By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,
I hereby order as follows: (a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Special Counsel for the United States Department of Justice. (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including: (i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a). (c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

again.. HOW were the 13 russians that were indicted by MUELLER.. .. how were they connected to the Trump Campaign...?
Please explain...
Because according to YOU.. the only think he was investigating was the Trump campaign.

Well except for the part where " TO ENSURE A FULL AND THOROUGH INVESTIGATION OF THE RUSSIANS EFFORTS TO INTERFERE in the 2016 presidential election.

So please explain exactly how the 13 russians and companies indicted.. were connected to the Trump Campaign.

 

[bluesmoke]

Even though Trumps corporate tax cuts and reduced regulations, companies rasied wages and bonuses along with more job creation for buisness expansion.

You have no evidence that corp tax cuts and reduced regs resulted in any higher a rate of real hourly wage increase, increase in employment or business expansion/investment. Therefor, you claim is unfounded and without supporting fact, dismissed.

 

[code1211]

Read it completely... you obviously didn't:

Hmm:

By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,
I hereby order as follows: (a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Special Counsel for the United States Department of Justice. (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including: (i) any links and/or coordination

bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;

and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a). (c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

again.. HOW were the 13 russians that were indicted by MUELLER.. .. how were they connected to the Trump Campaign...?
Please explain...
Because according to YOU.. the only think he was investigating was the Trump campaign.

Well except for the part where " TO ENSURE A FULL AND THOROUGH INVESTIGATION OF THE RUSSIANS EFFORTS TO INTERFERE in the 2016 presidential election.

So please explain exactly how the 13 russians and companies indicted.. were connected to the Trump Campaign.

The authorization specifically directs the Special Counsel to go after Trump and his associates.

Turned up by the investigation and then buried by the Special Prosecutor were various exculpatory facts and evidence.

The Special prosecutor finding absolutely NOTHING that damaged Trump during his Witch Hunt said that he could not PROVE TRUMP INNOCENT.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I imagine he also could not prove you or me innocent.

That's not how it works. His job is to prove guilt or STFU. Trump, like any other US Citizen, is innocent until PROVEN GUILTY.

 

[jaeger19]

The authorization specifically directs the Special Counsel to go after Trump and his associates.

Turned up by the investigation and then buried by the Special Prosecutor were various exculpatory facts and evidence.

The Special prosecutor finding absolutely NOTHING that damaged Trump during his Witch Hunt said that he could not PROVE TRUMP INNOCENT.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I imagine he also could not prove you or me innocent.

That's not how it works. His job is to prove guilt or STFU. Trump, like any other US Citizen, is innocent until PROVEN GUILTY.

The authorization specifically deals with investigation of the Russian meddling. In doing so.. it authorizes the special counsel to investigate russian ties into the trump campaign.


AGAIN.. because you keep avoiding the question.... IF the mueller investigation ONLY was to investigate Trump. Please explain the 13 russians that were indicted by the mueller investigation..
Please explain how they were connected to the TRump campaign.

By the way.. the special prosecutor actually found at least 10 actions by Trump that could constitute obstruction of justice.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obstru...p-may-have-obstructed-justice-mueller-report/ However

Mueller's report lays out three main reasons why prosecutors didn't indict Trump or suggest he should be charged:

• They adhered to the OLC's 1973 decision that a sitting president cannot be indicted.
• They believed that if their report suggested Trump could face federal charges without actually bringing them, it would not be fair because there would be no trial, and he wouldn't have an opportunity to clear himself.
• Mueller did not consider filing a sealed indictment against Trump out of fear that it would be leaked and significantly impede his ability to govern.

Notably, however, prosecutors said that while the OLC's guidance says a sitting president cannot be indicted, it "recognizes that a criminal investigation during the President's term is permissible."

"The OLC opinion also recognizes that a President does not have immunity after he leaves office," they added. "Given those considerations, the facts known to us, and the strong public interest in safeguarding the integrity of the criminal justice system, we conducted a thorough factual investigation in order to preserve the evidence when memories were fresh and documentary materials were available."

That wording leaves open the possibility that Trump could be charged with obstruction of justice once he leaves office.

 

[code1211]

You have no evidence that corp tax cuts and reduced regs resulted in any higher a rate of real hourly wage increase, increase in employment or business expansion/investment. Therefor, you claim is unfounded and without supporting fact, dismissed.

Well, Trump claimed that IF very well defined steps were implemented, THEN particular, equally well defined effects would be caused.

The steps were implemented and the predicted outcomes occurred. What he cited as causes came first and what he cited as effects came afterward.

The most spectacular was the, unprecedented in this century, increase in the Median Household Income to an all time high. Unemployment Rate, Labor Participation Rate and Total Jobs were also very impressive.

Out of curiosity, what kind of evidence outside of real world outcomes would suffice for you?