My dilema

[Skeptic Bob]

Yep. You're screwed. If it is any consolation, you have a LOT of company.

 

[chuckiechan]

Although I can't stand Hillary being a crook and having high approval ratings, multinationals are what are paying my bills. I live on private retirement investments, so the more they eat, the fatter I get.

But I'm still not voting for Hillary because I have kids and grandkids. It's all got to change. Now or later something has to give.

 

[Perotista]

I'm going to admit I am having a real hard time trying to decide what to do this election cycle, especially with regards to the Presidential election.

I never belonged to (and never will) a specific political party or ideology. I've toyed with different aspects of each, but in the end I cannot suscribe to embracing one ideal. I tend to take each issue and determine my stance on that. On some issues I am in firm agreeance with the right and on some I am with the left. Sometimes I take a moderate stance between the two.

I feel there is no true option for me. I won't vote for Trump because I simply do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth. While I will admit I do like his bombastic "in your face" demeanor, he's shown no knowledge of the issues, has no governing experience, and makes rash and idiotic decisions on the fly. I do not feel these are good qualities of a leader. I feel a Trump win sets us all back...

When it comes to Clinton, She has experience necessary. However I feel that she is patholigical and insincere. She's an opportunist the same as Trump. She just worked her way through the government system rather than private enterprise. My biggest reason I cannot vote for her is that she would hold the key to appointing the Supreme Court Justices. The Court was balanced pretty well till Scalia's death. I hate to think that it could shift left for generations to come. I prefer balance over ideology. Also I don't believe she has a healthy respect for our military, and being a veteran I am apprehensive to think she would be commander in chief.

So that leaves Libertarian as an option. While I like libertarian on a domestic range of issues, I never felt that Libertarians non-interventionalism is practical or realistic. I have huge issue with them on foreign policy and while I can agree marijuana legalization is fine, I do not agree that decriminalizing all drugs is a good idea.

What I want in a leader of our country is someone who is strong, yet moderate. Who loves this country more than their approval rating and wants to have a "big tent" approach. Don't exclude people. Invite people into growing together. Embrace the ideal that we challenge our nation to be better, not to accept mediocrity in life. Someone who will visit hell upon any group who dares to kill Americans, rather than blaming ourselves. Someone who looks at a situation for what it is, instead of applying blanket like ideology as a solution. Someone who doesn't give a **** about what Fox, CNN, Daily Kos, Huffington Post NY Times etc... thinks. And I want someone who is careful and thoughtful when making decisions. Our influence is wide, and has impact still. Someone who recognizes this country for the great place that it is, and inspires us to grow even stronger together.

I feel no one fits this bill

I have no dilemma. I detest both Trump and Hillary, I feel both, either one if elected would be very harmful to this country. That is always my first test or question to be answered. Do I feel whatever candidate would leave this country better off once they have left office than when they first entered it. The resounding answer is NO to Trump and Clinton. So neither will get my vote.

Johnson is my answer, I truly believe he has the country at heart, unlike the opportunistic ego driven Trump and Clinton. The Libertarian policies doesn't bother me. He'll have a congress made up of Republicans and Democrats. Johnson was also the governor of New Mexico, he has experience working with a legislature, i.e. a congress of sorts. He also has experience being a Republican Governor in a very deep blue state of working with the other party. He knows politics is the art of the possible. To keep things moving forward, compromise and give and take are not four letter words.

But this is me, also on the Georgia ballot is Jill Stein the Green Party and the Constitutional Party whose nominee is Darryl Castle. So I have five options on the ballot and a sixth if I dislike the other five of writing in a name. The dilemma is solved for me. You'll have to solve yours on your own.

 

[Erod]

In terms of lies, Clinton is in the minor leagues compared to Trump, in which factcheckers have found that at least 75% of what he says isn't true.

Clinton Foundation.

Not just lies. Treason.

 

[Northern Light]

I'm going to admit I am having a real hard time trying to decide what to do this election cycle, especially with regards to the Presidential election.

I'm not voting, for similar reasons. I know that in recent election cycles people have been keen to take the lesser of many evils route, which in of itself is poor voting practice IMO... and now have arrived at the results of a polity who behaves that way. Rather than demanding the best, we have settled for mediocrity for so long. Now that practice is starting to become dangerous. Trump and Hilary could both ruin us, in different ways.

I guess the only plus side, sort of, is that we know the ruin is coming, it's just a question of when and which one will be at the helm. Not to be cynical. I think we'd survive either of these people. I just mean, this election seems utterly fruitless, and that's a really cruddy feeling in a country that's supposed to be about greatness.

I can't trust either of these people to advance the country. They will just stagnate us further.

 

[code1211]

And Charles Manson would be a better date for your sister than Ted Bundy. Donald Trump has only one interest and that's Donald Trump. He will screw anyone to make a buck. He's desperate to make people believe that their is no such thing as too greedy. There is and he's one many who are too greedy. That doesn't have anything to do with how much you have or even how much you want. It's what you're willing to do to get more. Donald will do anything to get more.

You could have placed Hillary's name in every blank where you put Donald's name.

 

[Patrickt]

You could have placed Hillary's name in every blank where you put Donald's name.

If you're counting pronouns, he's the only one who is desperate to make people believe there is no such thing as too greedy. Sen. Clinton has her own problems. I'm not voting for either one of them and wouldn't invite either to a dinner.

 

[code1211]

If you're counting pronouns, he's the only one who is desperate to make people believe there is no such thing as too greedy. Sen. Clinton has her own problems. I'm not voting for either one of them and wouldn't invite either to a dinner.

It's possible that a person could be more greedy than Trump, less talented and less rich.

The extent of success and the extent of greed do not always appear in in the same person in equal parts.

I think it's safe to assume that Trump uses money as his scorecard. If that is the case and if he can enhance the fortunes of the country, I do not see this as a bad thing.

Do you?

 

[Patrickt]

It's possible that a person could be more greedy than Trump, less talented and less rich.

The extent of success and the extent of greed do not always appear in in the same person in equal parts.

I think it's safe to assume that Trump uses money as his scorecard. If that is the case and if he can enhance the fortunes of the country, I do not see this as a bad thing.

Do you?

Greed is about what you're willing to do to get more. More money, more women, more food, more of anything.

For Donald, it's more money. For Donald. Donald's interest in you, in working-class Americans, in the country as a whole is exactly the same as his interest in the suckers who went into his casino. Whether they were high-rollers, windows, orphans, disabled vets, and developmentally disabled his only thought was how to separate them for as much of their money as possible. Free booze was a big player in that.

Why would you expect this lifelong huckster, lifelong Democrat to suddenly have an interest in you or yours or even the country? Can you think of anything he's told the truth about? Anything at all.

 

[code1211]

Greed is about what you're willing to do to get more. More money, more women, more food, more of anything.

For Donald, it's more money. For Donald. Donald's interest in you, in working-class Americans, in the country as a whole is exactly the same as his interest in the suckers who went into his casino. Whether they were high-rollers, windows, orphans, disabled vets, and developmentally disabled his only thought was how to separate them for as much of their money as possible. Free booze was a big player in that.

Why would you expect this lifelong huckster, lifelong Democrat to suddenly have an interest in you or yours or even the country? Can you think of anything he's told the truth about? Anything at all.

He's told the truth about Hillary.

If he wants to post a win and tracks his achievement by monetary metrics, then increased GDP, improved balance of trade, improved adherence to a budget, additional folks employed and paying taxes and improved incomes to the regular guys measured by Median Household Income would be his metrics.

He cannot do a good job as a leader measured by the available metrics without improving the lot of those who live in the country he leads.

 

[Patrickt]

He's told the truth about Hillary.

If he wants to post a win and tracks his achievement by monetary metrics, then increased GDP, improved balance of trade, improved adherence to a budget, additional folks employed and paying taxes and improved incomes to the regular guys measured by Median Household Income would be his metrics.

He cannot do a good job as a leader measured by the available metrics without improving the lot of those who live in the country he leads.

A. He was giving opinions about Hillary Clinton.
B. The only metric that interests Donald Trump is his personal wealth. He'd sub-let the White House to his friend Valdimir Putin to use as a Russian Embassy if the price was right.

C. The man has lied about almost everything. He didn't avoid the draft by having a high draft number. He was, as an outstanding athlete, found physically unfit for military service. He didn't start with nothing but a little loan from his father. He had repeated, multi-million dollar loans from his father and Donald was born a multi-millionaire.

As a con man, a huckster, a liar, and a deadbeat he's quite talented but we've just had eight years of that nonsense.

 

[Visbek]

I can't help but notice that you specify almost no policy goals here.

Do you care about....
• Taxation?
• Health care?
• Social Security?
• Free trade?
• Education?
• Immigration?
• Racial relations?
• Support for veterans?
and so on.

It seems to me that Clinton and the Libertarians are pretty clear on where she stands on the issues. Trump is clear on some, less clear on others. But generally speaking, I think we already have enough info to make a reasonable guess on the candidate's positions. From there, you can think about where your priorities lie.

 

[Wiggen]

Clinton isn't a serial liar? If you believe that then you are more than "slightly liberal".

Not like the Donald, who changes his story from one day to the next. The other advantage Clinton has is that she's not bat**** crazy. She doesn't think Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and Japan all having nuclear weapons would be a good thing. Or that women should go to jail for having an abortion. Or....oh hell, what's the point?

 

[code1211]

A. He was giving opinions about Hillary Clinton.
B. The only metric that interests Donald Trump is his personal wealth. He'd sub-let the White House to his friend Valdimir Putin to use as a Russian Embassy if the price was right.

C. The man has lied about almost everything. He didn't avoid the draft by having a high draft number. He was, as an outstanding athlete, found physically unfit for military service. He didn't start with nothing but a little loan from his father. He had repeated, multi-million dollar loans from his father and Donald was born a multi-millionaire.

As a con man, a huckster, a liar, and a deadbeat he's quite talented but we've just had eight years of that nonsense.

His opinions seem to be dead on.

If he is interested only in his personal wealth, he has a funny way of showing it. Spent a bundle winning the nomination and will take a huge cut in pay if elected.

Check his honesty by talking to his employees and his family. His kids seem to be very devoted to him. His employees are long term and, again, seem to be very devoted to him.

If your impressions are in conflict with the reality, maybe you need to examine both more closely.

Is lying about everything a deal breaker for you? Have you listened to Hillary as she surrounds every topic constantly contradicting herself from a previous statement?

I seem to remember that the draft qualifications were changed in honor of Mohammed Ali very near 1968. Were there high draft numbers when Trump was 19? Nixon instituted the Lottery so that had to be after 1968.

We are faced with a choice. Reagan said famously that we should compare him to the alternative, not the Almighty.

We know that Hillary would prefer to solidify her alibi rather than send help to Benghazi as those massacred fought for their lives for 13 hours. Was she frozen by fear or frozen by political intrigue. We'll never know because she ain't gonna talk and the press ain't gonna make her 'fess up. We know that both she and Obama couldn't possibly care any less for those poor bastards than they did. We know they let them die. We know they sent no help. We know they both lied about it repeatedly.

Disgusting.

 

[Patrickt]

His opinions seem to be dead on.

If he is interested only in his personal wealth, he has a funny way of showing it. Spent a bundle winning the nomination and will take a huge cut in pay if elected.

Check his honesty by talking to his employees and his family. His kids seem to be very devoted to him. His employees are long term and, again, seem to be very devoted to him.

If your impressions are in conflict with the reality, maybe you need to examine both more closely.

Is lying about everything a deal breaker for you? Have you listened to Hillary as she surrounds every topic constantly contradicting herself from a previous statement?

I seem to remember that the draft qualifications were changed in honor of Mohammed Ali very near 1968. Were there high draft numbers when Trump was 19? Nixon instituted the Lottery so that had to be after 1968.

We are faced with a choice. Reagan said famously that we should compare him to the alternative, not the Almighty.

We know that Hillary would prefer to solidify her alibi rather than send help to Benghazi as those massacred fought for their lives for 13 hours. Was she frozen by fear or frozen by political intrigue. We'll never know because she ain't gonna talk and the press ain't gonna make her 'fess up. We know that both she and Obama couldn't possibly care any less for those poor bastards than they did. We know they let them die. We know they sent no help. We know they both lied about it repeatedly.

Disgusting.

He collected donations and siphoned them off to his own companies. You're right. It is disgusting. And you want me to check his honesty by asking his family and friends. How about we ask the suckers who went for Trump University? How about we ask the suckers who lost a billion dollars on Donald's bankruptcies where Donald made a billion dollars? Why don't we ask the suckers who lost there shirts in his casinos where Donald was guaranteed to win?

Or better, why don't we just listen to what he says from one day to the next and lies. "Look at the face. Would you vote for a face like that?" "Oh, I wasn't talking about her looks. I was talking about her persona." I suppose there are people who would believe that but only if they're as ignorant of the word "persona" and Donald was hoping they'd be.

And, I know it's a shock to a Trumpkin but we weren't talking about Muhamad Ali, Hillary Clinton, the Pope, or anyone else. We were talking about the liar, the huckster, the deadbeat, and the liberal, Donald Trump.

I don't intend to ever vote for another liberal. I will never again vote for a candidate that is a liberal, like Gov. Romney or Sen. McCain, because they're not as liberal as the Democrat candidate. Donald Trump has been desperately trying to run for elected office for almost thirty years. Now he has a chance and an army of suckers backing him.

I was glad to see you couldn't come up with something honest he'd said. How about his statement of his net worth? That's factual. Wait, wait, I have one. He admitted he used aliases doing business so people wouldn't know his true identity. That's common practice with crooks, isn't it? And when he said all the women on the view flirted with him, consciously or subconsciously it wasn't a lie. It was just insane.

Great candidate there. Too bad we can't have a candidate that's not a liberal Democrat.

 

[code1211]

He collected donations and siphoned them off to his own companies. You're right. It is disgusting. And you want me to check his honesty by asking his family and friends. How about we ask the suckers who went for Trump University? How about we ask the suckers who lost a billion dollars on Donald's bankruptcies where Donald made a billion dollars? Why don't we ask the suckers who lost there shirts in his casinos where Donald was guaranteed to win?

Or better, why don't we just listen to what he says from one day to the next and lies. "Look at the face. Would you vote for a face like that?" "Oh, I wasn't talking about her looks. I was talking about her persona." I suppose there are people who would believe that but only if they're as ignorant of the word "persona" and Donald was hoping they'd be.

And, I know it's a shock to a Trumpkin but we weren't talking about Muhamad Ali, Hillary Clinton, the Pope, or anyone else. We were talking about the liar, the huckster, the deadbeat, and the liberal, Donald Trump.

I don't intend to ever vote for another liberal. I will never again vote for a candidate that is a liberal, like Gov. Romney or Sen. McCain, because they're not as liberal as the Democrat candidate. Donald Trump has been desperately trying to run for elected office for almost thirty years. Now he has a chance and an army of suckers backing him.

I was glad to see you couldn't come up with something honest he'd said. How about his statement of his net worth? That's factual. Wait, wait, I have one. He admitted he used aliases doing business so people wouldn't know his true identity. That's common practice with crooks, isn't it? And when he said all the women on the view flirted with him, consciously or subconsciously it wasn't a lie. It was just insane.

Great candidate there. Too bad we can't have a candidate that's not a liberal Democrat.

Are you going to vote for either of the liberals from New York?

 

[Patrickt]

Are you going to vote for either of the liberals from New York?

No. I will never vote for another liberal.

 

[code1211]

No. I will never vote for another liberal.

Given the state of our political parties, does this mean you are now removed from voting entirely?

 

[Patrickt]

Given the state of our political parties, does this mean you are now removed from voting entirely?

Not at all. In fact, I encourage everyone to vote. My dream is that either the Democrat running as a Republican or the Democrat running as a Democrat will win the presidency with 30% of the vote.

I will definitely vote and nothing could get me to vote for Sen. Clinton or Mr. Trump. They're both disgusting on a very human level.