Mussolini and Hitler were right wing dictators

Tigerace117 · Dec 12, 2023

neo publius said:
Citations ? So the National Socialist Workers party - aka Nazi party didn’t like the bourgeois Bolshevik’s ? It doesn’t change the fact they called themselves socialists, acted like socialists, governed like socialists and went around condemning capitalism .

I’m a King. lol by your logic that should work.

Is North Korea a democracy? They’ve got the word Democratic in their name, after all?

No, they acted like a far right movement and were supported by the far right across the continent.

neo publius · Dec 12, 2023

Quag said:
They were pro capitalist which is why the large capitalists were backing them

Hitler once said to Otto Wagener that the problem with the politicians of the Weimar Republic was that they “had never even read Marx.” He believed that the problem of German Communists was that they didn’t understand the difference between principles and tactics. He referred to them as mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.” He stated plainly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx

Tigerace117 · Dec 12, 2023

neo publius said:
Hitler once said to Otto Wagener that the problem with the politicians of the Weimar Republic was that they “had never even read Marx.” He believed that the problem of German Communists was that they didn’t understand the difference between principles and tactics. He referred to them as mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.” He stated plainly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx

What “Marxist” fills his high command with noblemen and aristocrats?

Quag · Dec 12, 2023

neo publius said:
Hitler once said to Otto Wagener that the problem with the politicians of the Weimar Republic was that they “had never even read Marx.” He believed that the problem of German Communists was that they didn’t understand the difference between principles and tactics. He referred to them as mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.” He stated plainly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx

Hitler had the support of capitalists because he was pro capitalist
Your attempts to pretend that they weren't fail because reality disproves your silly claim

neo publius · Dec 12, 2023

Quag said:
Hitler had the support of capitalists because he was pro capitalist
Your attempts to pretend that they weren't fail because reality disproves your silly claim

And yet you can’t . Because you are wrong.

Quag · Dec 12, 2023

neo publius said:
And yet you can’t . Because you are wrong.

Ironic post is ironic

Jredbaron96 · Dec 12, 2023

neo publius said:
And yet you can’t . Because you are wrong.

Hitler was very much supported by big business and industrialist capitalists.

neo publius · Dec 12, 2023

Quag said:
Hitler had the support of capitalists because he was pro capitalist
Your attempts to pretend that they weren't fail because reality disproves your silly claim

And yet you can’t . Because you are wrong

Jredbaron96 said:
Hitler was very much supported by big business and industrialist capitalists.

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George Sorros is a ? Who supports leftwing Socialism. And your point is?

Quag · Dec 12, 2023

neo publius said:
And yet you can’t . Because you are wrong

More irony

Jredbaron96 · Dec 12, 2023

neo publius said:
George Sorros is a ? Who supports leftwing Socialism. And your point is?

Nobody in 1930s Germany was confused over whether the Nazis were right wing or not. It was well known they were.

NatMorton · Dec 12, 2023

Jredbaron96 said:
Or course, but that's because your diary is not an accurate reflection of reality.

The Nazis had no qualms with the idea of privately owned enterprises competing in a market environment, nor did they object on any principle to private ownership of land or capital.

The Nazis objected to the capitalism and international commerce under the auspices that they thought they were controlled by Jews for the benefit of international Jewery, and the detriment of the German people.

Commercial competition among privately owned firms was the norm in Nazi Germany. Thats how the majority of Nazi infrastructure projects and military development went. Your inevitable counter "No, the Nazis could force companies to do what they told or forces them to comply with government decree", the same is true of many other states; you run afoul of US commercial law you will find yourself fined and potentially arrested.

Your argument about political similarities only works because you are insisting on a definition that fits your own worldview, not the objective reality. It's as intellectually dishonest as if I we're to say "the right wing is defines by intolerance to different ideas, ergo all bigots are right wing"

I've not limited the definition of anything to "fit" my world view. Small government conservatives are who they are. Modern American liberals are who they are. And Nazis were who they were. Which of those terms do you think I somehow defined so narrowly as only to match only my worldview?

Jredbaron96 · Dec 12, 2023

NatMorton said:
I've not limited the definition of anything to "fit" my world view. Small government conservatives are who they are.

"Small government conservatives" exist as you think they do only in your mind.

NatMorton said:
Modern American liberals are who they are. And Nazis were who they were. Which of those terms do you think I somehow defined so narrowly as only to match only my worldview?

All of them, really. You only want to view conservatism as you think it *should* exist, while the Nazis and liberals exist in a way you find convenient.

The Nazis ran on a political platform that said their way of life was under attack by a shadowy international clique of wealthy people who were using their money and influence to undermine their culture and society.

That describes the increasingly vocal "alt right" to a T, and while that doesn't make them the equivalent of Nazis, it perfectly illustrates where the relationship lies.

NatMorton · Dec 12, 2023

Jredbaron96 said:
"Small government conservatives" exist as you think they do only in your mind.

No, not just there, but now you're having to change your argument. First I was redefining terms and now, suddenly, you're saying people like me don't exist.

Make up your mind.

Jredbaron96 said:
All of them, really. You only want to view conservatism as you think it *should* exist, while the Nazis and liberals exist in a way you find convenient.

I will go so far as to say more of them should exist, yes.

Jredbaron96 said:
The Nazis ran on a political platform that said their way of life was under attack by a shadowy international clique of wealthy people who were using their money and influence to undermine their culture and society.

And there's another parallel, George Soros and Jeffrey Epstein.

Jredbaron96 said:
That describes the increasingly vocal "alt right" to a T, and while that doesn't make them the equivalent of Nazis, it perfectly illustrates where the relationship lies.

Sounds like you're defining the right to fit your world view.

Jredbaron96 · Dec 12, 2023

NatMorton said:
No, not just there, but now you're having to change your argument. First I was redefining terms and now, suddenly, you're saying people like me don't exist.

That wasn't a change in argument, that was pointing out that what you believe exists as a political reality is in fact just a figment of your imagination.

"Small government conservaties" as a whole voted for increased military budgets want to go after businesses for political reasons, and enshrine abortion bans on the national level.

*You* may not believe that, but that doesn't matter, your word does not invalidate the voting habits of hundreds of politicians.

NatMorton said:
I will go so far as to say more of them should exist, yes.

Sure, we all want more people to fit our worldview. It would be great if more Americans realized that Republicans are responsible for less job growth and more recessions on average than Democrats.

NatMorton said:
And there's another parallel, George Soros and Jeffrey Epstein.

^Case in point.

NatMorton said:
Sounds like you're defining the right to fit your world view.

not at all. The alt right does not encompass all the right or I would argue even a majority of conservatives.

I would actually argue the contrast between the noninterventionist protectionist nationalist alt right, the likes of MGT and such, and their clash against the more Reaganite neoconservatives of McConnel and such are the biggest problems facing the American right.

Mussolini and Hitler were right wing dictators

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