Facts matter.Whoever added 'right-wing' to the description was simply wishing because that is certainly NOT conservative.
this is true if you treat the "right" as classical liberalism when liberalism is actually in the center of politics. This is incredibly basic political knowledge and you just don't get it.No, they were much closer to the left than the right: expansive government, centralized political authority, national industrial policy, anti-competition, anti-markets, and largely intolerant of differing political views.
I've clarified my use of the term "right" in this thread to mean small government conservatism. I accept there are people on the right who are not for small government, just big government with different policy objectives.this is true if you treat the "right" as classical liberalism when liberalism is actually in the center of politics. This is incredibly basic political knowledge and you just don't get it.
Do you admit fascists are right wing?I've clarified my use of the term "right" in this thread to mean small government conservatism. I accept there are people on the right who are not for small government, just big government with different policy objectives.
"small government conservatism" is liberalism. Get it rightI've clarified my use of the term "right" in this thread to mean small government conservatism. I accept there are people on the right who are not for small government, just big government with different policy objectives.
Do you admit fascists are right wing?
Not for the last century or so, no."small government conservatism" is liberalism. Get it right
My surprised face.I have made a poll for that now
Try as you might, they were right wing dictators. Even communism was rightwing despite the word play. As soon as one becomes a dictator it doesn't matter what they claim to be, they're far right. When freedom is taken away, Far Right...No, much like today's American liberals, they favored a large, authoritative central government and only differ by a matter of degree. What the Nazis were is miles away from the policies of smaller government, free markets, and individual liberty of most (though I will not claim all) conservatives.
Sorry, I don't accept dogma as valid reasoning.Try as you might, they were right wing dictators. Even communism was rightwing despite the word play. As soon as one becomes a dictator it doesn't matter what they claim to be, they're far right.
All I can tell you is the democracy is the worst form of govt. besides all the others. You want to take us out of the frying pan and into the fire.No Jay59, you're not a leftist at all, in fact you are one of the few brave ones here who are not afraid to post something critical of the establishment here. There's only about 10 or so left here at DP, and all the rest are devout cookie cutter leftists who scour this forum looking for anything that is against their beloved establishment so that they can attack it and call the poster a MAGAt. The second paragraph was meant for them, not you.
& I don't take faux political science as truth. When they take away freedom, they're Far Right. Stalin didn't run a communist country. He dictated what was to be with no intent of making the proles partners in the endeavor. Plus there was an elite group who didn't share in the deprivation. As is Pooten, now. Dictators may pay lib service to left wing ideals, but y'all gotta look at the reality.Sorry, I don't accept dogma as valid reasoning.
Yet the self avowed fascists and Nazis that organized the Charlottesville rally, called it the "Unite the Right" rally, not the Unite the left rally.I admit they're commonly labeled as right wing. I maintain that in practice their methods are closer to liberals than they are small government conservatives.
Bingo. The right are the ones that want to take away rights and see the people as nothing but pawns in their quest for absolute power. They try to trick them into liking being pawns with empty promises and demonizing the opposition by projecting their evil ambitions on them.Try as you might, they were right wing dictators. Even communism was rightwing despite the word play. As soon as one becomes a dictator it doesn't matter what they claim to be, they're far right. When freedom is taken away, Far Right...
Which is untrue unless you try to redefine the meanings of the termsI admit they're commonly labeled as right wing. I maintain that in practice their methods are closer to liberals than they are small government conservatives.
Stop beating a dead horse. There is no such thing and small Govt. conservatives. That is a myth that only rears its ugly head when the right is out of power.I admit they're commonly labeled as right wing. I maintain that in practice their methods are closer to liberals than they are small government conservatives.
Sounds like trumpNo, they were much closer to the left than the right: expansive government, centralized political authority, national industrial policy, anti-competition, anti-markets, and largely intolerant of differing political views.
Hitler and Mussolini Were Right Wing.
Lots of right wingers try to claim Hitler and Mussolini Were left wing. When in reality they said they were right wing.
I am centre-left.
I am against the far-right.
I support democracy, peace, and the best of capitalism and socialism.
I would like to point out Hitler and Mussolini admitted themselves they were right wing.
This is a taken from a speech by Adolf Hitler, April 12, 1921
'There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise - there are only two possibilities: either victory of the Aryan or annihilation of the Aryan and the victory of the Jew.'
So that shows that Hitler saw himself and his ideology as right wing.
Mussolini wrote in The Doctrine of Fascism, ‘doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the right, a Fascist century’..
So that shows Mussolini saw himself as right wing.
Were Stalin’s methods closer to big government liberals or small conservatives?& I don't take faux political science as truth. When they take away freedom, they're Far Right. Stalin didn't run a communist country. He dictated what was to be with no intent of making the proles partners in the endeavor. Plus there was an elite group who didn't share in the deprivation. As is Pooten, now. Dictators may pay lib service to left wing ideals, but y'all gotta look at the reality.
What is “untrue?” Don’t paraphrase. Quote the words I wrote that you believe are false and explain why you believe they’re false.Which is untrue unless you try to redefine the meanings of the terms
I've clarified my use of the term "right" in this thread to mean small government conservatism.
I accept there are people on the right who are not for small government, just big government with different policy objectives.
That a mythical creature if your own invention is closer to fascists than a unicornWhat is “untrue?” Don’t paraphrase. Quote the words I wrote that you believe are false and explain why you believe they’re false.
And with that you’ve demonstrated you’re lying. You didn’t quote anything I said because you know if you did you wouldn’t be able to prove it to be untrue.That a mythical creature if your own invention is closer to fascists than a unicorn
No, you simply have that wrong. Were I attempting to define the entirety of the right as being small government conservatives you would have a point, but I’m not, so you don’t. “The right” does include small government conservatism, but the right is not defined exclusively by small government conservatism. I made this point earlier.You're conflating libertarian conservatism with the commonly-understood meaning of "right", and really, as it applies to fascism, we're talking about "ultra-right" or "far-right" politics. Libertarian conservatism is where liberalism meets conservatism.
You’re clinging to labels without thinking about how degrees of government authority create similarities and differences. But thanks for brining up for-profit capitalism being “aligned with the regime’s political agenda,” i.e. government exercising its authority and dictating what businesses should and should not do as opposed to the more limited role of maintaining open and fair markets. That is a specific example of what the progressive left has in common with totalitarian regimes: politically motivated industrial policy. Small government conservatives reject that.Good, because when we're discussing fascism or right-wing authoritarianism (i.e., Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, etc), we're not talking about Ludwig von Mises, Jeffersonian, or Milton Friedman conservatism; we're talking about police states and regimes that basically allow for-profit capitalism to exist provided that enterprises are aligned with the regime's political agenda first. Such regimes tend to award government contracts and award or pull businesses licenses on that basis.
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