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Kelzie said:What abrasions love?
Everything in your post in red.....
Kelzie said:Stop dodging. Do you or do you not believe that liberalism is mirrored by radical Islam? Cause you say you do, then you don't because it's not in the article. Take a stance.
I am not dodging nor do I ever. Liberalism does not mirror Radical Islam. If you get past my intitial error in agreeing with his (Diogenes) post vice the content of his presented aticle, then you would see what I was agreeing with.
Kelzie said:The article was about how liberals are out of touch because they are threatened by Christianity, but not radical Islam. And I have already said that to some degree that belief is correct. Not once though did that article discuss the similarities between Islam and liberalism, even if you tried really hard to see it.
Ummm..that's what I remarked on. Radical Islam is also threatened by Christianity. Is it not? Could this be a similarity?
Kelzie said:Now, unless you can find a quote from this article that supports your belief that it is about "how the Liberal voice against Christianity is similar to Radical Islam in a certain form," but more specifically, how "one uses a gun and the other use legislature to silence another religion," I think the more important question is what did you think the article was about?
..Ummmm..exactly what I have typed about. The threat of Christianity has one aggressing with violence and one aggressing with legislature.
Kelzie said:You can't make up your own definitions and then use them to support your position. Even extreme liberals don't mind if you practice your religion publically. Just as long as the government doesn't practice a religion, which by definition, extends to public institutions maintained by the government, ie schools.
Which means no student will pray in school....the ten commandments be stricken from the concrete in some court houses....any place where "God" is printed is seen as an assault on freedom....etc.
Radical Islam?
Kelzie said:True. Find me one liberal that is trying to tell people "where, when and how" to worship. Just one.
Ummm..you're one. Christians will not worship (pray) in a public school, they will not read their bibles in a public school...look familiar? It should, you just wrote it. You are substituting their freedom to worship where they please for your freedom to not have to see it. Simply hiding it under a sense that there should be a seperation between church and state is exactly what the article was about. The imaginations of the left that seek to accuse the Christian right of some sort of "infiltrator" have them more fearful of vocal Christians than blood thirsty Islamists.
Kelzie said:That is a ridiculous stretch and you know it. By definition, one cannot use liberalism (the ideology) to become more conservative (the ideology). However, one can use a liberal interpretation of one's belief to become more conservative. As in "not literal or strict," one of the many definitions of "liberal." But it has nothing to do with the liberal ideology.
Who said anything about ideology? You are thinking too simple with this. This isn't about who does and does not believe in abortion. This is about the sentiment towards Christianity. Where does creativity come from? The Conservitive side? Is the conservative side the true shapers of society or are they the side that looks to stagnate in tradition? It is the Liberal thought that always seek change and re-definitions. It is the creativity of men that allow them to re-define their religions. If this means that they re-define it to suit the needs of individual power then so be it. The act is Liberal - only the result becomes conservative. History is full of men who seek to be creative with their religions and turn tyrant in their journeys - Thomas Muntzer, Phillip II, Osama, etc.
Kelzie said:Of course, I also believe that liberals are aligning themselves with radical Islams out of spite for the right in the US. But not once does Harris EVER compare the liberal ideology to the radical Islam ideology. In fact, he is quite explicit that they are opposite, which is what makes the alliance even more hypocritical.
Again with the "ideology?" I mentioned nothing of "ideology." I merely drew similarities in views between the two towards Christianity. You seem to wish to create argument.
Kelzie said:I find this interesting though:
"Most conservatives don't like to acknowledge that Bin Ladden is the very definition of the extreme Conservative."
Now, Bin Ladden (extreme Islam) is the definition of extreme Conservatism. And here I though you were saying extreme Islam is mirrored by liberalism. Which is it?
Of course you find it interesting, because it is about Conservatives. It is human nature to agree with what sheds negativity to the other side and immediately look for the defense when yours is addressed. I see you are very quick to lunge to the Liberal defense for no reason. I attacked the Liberal side no more than I attacked the Conservative side.
Like I have already typed and you have already purposefully ignored......I did not mean to "mirror" Liberalism to Radical Islam. "Mirror" was another's word. I merely agreed with the article and wasn't clear enough when I did it. I dismissed his post for the article and replied to it.
Let me guess...your reply will be to stagnate (conservative) the discussion and remark on how I mirror them..right?
By the way...I'm on my way home dear.
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