Muslim Student Groups Praise Authorities For Handling Of Koran Incidents (1 Viewer)

[uNdeRdOg]

So called "hate crimes" are one of my pet peeves. If this was a bible I doubt this would make any headlines. Any thoughts on this?

In the space of a month there have been two separate incidents where a Koran, the Muslim holy book, was found in a Pace University toilet. The most recent was found just last Friday.
"The same week that the first incident occurred with the Koran, that Friday a swastika and racial slurs were spray painted on a bathroom stall in Pace University,” said Ali. “In our Westchester campus on someone's car there were racial slurs spray painted as well."

The NYPD hate crimes task force is investigating all four incidents. So far they haven't identified any suspects.
I think that anyone found guilty should be punished but not as a special "hate crime"

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=8&aid=63607

 

[Rosalie]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

I don't think you get why "Hate crimes" exist.

For instance, with homosexuals, they are more likely to be beaten, killed and discriminated against than your average white male. Saying that someone killing someone for being gay shouldn't get any extra punishment is missing the point - there is a problem here and you have to create some kind of deterrent - just at least to mentally acknowledge to potential offenders that hate crimes are somehow worse than normal crimes. It also keeps them on their toes so they don't go after people they suspect may be minorities.

Do you have any idea how scary it must be, being a transsexual in an area where you really aren't in any way protected? You should read into the case of Gwen Arujo. That might change your view of "Hate crimes" just a little.

 

[jujuman13]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

How do you know that this book was not left there inadvertently, it may have been brought into the toilet as reading material while, whoever took it in was going about their business?

 

[Captain America]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

Perhaps someone took it to the toilet and it just fell in?

Was it the whole book or just a few pages?

I mean, you NEVER know when you're gonna run out of toilet paper. Times like that, the Quran could sure come in handy! :mrgreen:

 

[danarhea]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

So called "hate crimes" are one of my pet peeves. If this was a bible I doubt this would make any headlines. Any thoughts on this?

In the space of a month there have been two separate incidents where a Koran, the Muslim holy book, was found in a Pace University toilet. The most recent was found just last Friday.

"The same week that the first incident occurred with the Koran, that Friday a swastika and racial slurs were spray painted on a bathroom stall in Pace University,” said Ali. “In our Westchester campus on someone's car there were racial slurs spray painted as well."

The NYPD hate crimes task force is investigating all four incidents. So far they haven't identified any suspects.

I think that anyone found guilty should be punished but not as a special "hate crime"

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=8&aid=63607

I was about to post in here that this should not be considered a crime at all, but when I put my glasses on, I noticed you were talking about the Koran, not Koreans (I was thinking the northern variety, of course).

 

[Captain America]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

I was about to post in here that this should not be considered a crime at all, but when I put my glasses on, I noticed you were talking about the Koran, not Koreans (I was thinking the northern variety, of course).

heh heh....that was good.:mrgreen:

 

[Deegan]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

The only crime should be plugging up the toilet, period.:roll:

 

[Captain America]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

The only crime should be plugging up the toilet, period.:roll:

:2rofll:

I think I just wet myself.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

... just at least to mentally acknowledge to potential offenders that hate crimes are somehow worse than normal crimes.

How are "hate crimes" worse than normal crimes? Why should the assault, robbery, and rape of minorities be treated any differently than the assault, robbery, and rape of heterosexual white men?

Do you have any idea how scary it must be, being a transsexual in an area where you really aren't in any way protected?

It's a scary world. Buy a gun and learn how to use it.

 

[danarhea]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

How are "hate crimes" worse than normal crimes? Why should the assault, robbery, and rape of minorities be treated any differently than the assault, robbery, and rape of heterosexual white men?



It's a scary world. Buy a gun and learn how to use it.

Excellent advise.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

Perhaps someone took it to the toilet and it just fell in?

Was it the whole book or just a few pages?

I mean, you NEVER know when you're gonna run out of toilet paper. Times like that, the Quran could sure come in handy! :mrgreen:

Generally the paper that scriptures are printed on are used as rolling papers, not toilet paper.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

How are "hate crimes" worse than normal crimes? Why should the assault, robbery, and rape of minorities be treated any differently than the assault, robbery, and rape of heterosexual white men?

As part of our Criminal Justice System we have generally looked at the motivation behind the crime when determining the severity of the crime. For example, if you caught your wife in bed with another man and in a fit of rage killed the man she was having an affair with, you probably would not get as a harsh of a sentence as say someone who killed someone just to rob them of 20 dollars.

Conversely, if black man killed a white man because the white man was in bed with the black man's wife, he would probably get a less sentence than he would if he killed a white man simply because the man was white. As the latter would be a hate crime.

 

[Deegan]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

Well this just does not qualify IMHO, it's just a book, not unlike the bible, which has obviously been up for fair game for some time now. I mean with the art we have seen lately, folks can take a big dump on the bible, but now we are supposed to treat the Koran like it's off limits, no sir, free speech is free speech.

I'm sure some a-hole will manage to crap on the bible, wipe his/her butt with the Koran, and burn the flag all at once, and it will be considered "art".:roll:

 

[RightOfCenter]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

So called "hate crimes" are one of my pet peeves. If this was a bible I doubt this would make any headlines. Any thoughts on this?

In the space of a month there have been two separate incidents where a Koran, the Muslim holy book, was found in a Pace University toilet. The most recent was found just last Friday.

"The same week that the first incident occurred with the Koran, that Friday a swastika and racial slurs were spray painted on a bathroom stall in Pace University,” said Ali. “In our Westchester campus on someone's car there were racial slurs spray painted as well."

The NYPD hate crimes task force is investigating all four incidents. So far they haven't identified any suspects.

I think that anyone found guilty should be punished but not as a special "hate crime"

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=8&aid=63607

My only question is: How long until the riots start?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

As part of our Criminal Justice System we have generally looked at the motivation behind the crime when determining the severity of the crime.

Foolishly, in my opinion. The only reason "motive" might be a concern is if it pertains to how easily a convict might be rehabilitated-- and frankly, our prison system isn't centered around rehabilitation and isn't particularly good at it.

For example, if you caught your wife in bed with another man and in a fit of rage killed the man she was having an affair with, you probably would not get as a harsh of a sentence as say someone who killed someone just to rob them of 20 dollars.

Used to be, there wouldn't have been any sentence at all for the former, because it was legally defined as "justifiable homicide". I'm still not convinced that it wasn't right for it to be.

Chances are, if the motive is good enough to justify a lighter sentence, it's good enough that I don't think a sentence should be imposed at all.

Conversely, if black man killed a white man because the white man was in bed with the black man's wife, he would probably get a less sentence than he would if he killed a white man simply because the man was white. As the latter would be a hate crime.[/QUOTE]

 

[Rosalie]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

How are "hate crimes" worse than normal crimes? Why should the assault, robbery, and rape of minorities be treated any differently than the assault, robbery, and rape of heterosexual white men?

Because there's a greater chance of them happening to you because you're of a particular persuasion. That's unfair. Hate crimes act as a deterrent to balance that effect.

The problem here is that conservatives tend to put their beliefs before the lives of others.

It's a scary world. Buy a gun and learn how to use it.

This attitude is exactly why it's a scary world to begin with. Most western countries get on just fine without being populated by gun nuts(check nationmaster for death by firearms sometime).

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

Hmmm. At a University and that would involve someone actually having a Koran or getting one and the Swastika on the wall--hmmm, I would say we have an attempt to get media attention--and it worked. A faked incident.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

Because there's a greater chance of them happening to you because you're of a particular persuasion. That's unfair.

Hate to break this to you, but everyone is at higher risk for certain kinds of crimes than others-- based on their availability and their profitability as targets. Yes, it's unfair, but the best policy isn't to try to make crime "fair", it's to reduce crime all across the board.

This attitude is exactly why it's a scary world to begin with. Most western countries get on just fine without being populated by gun nuts...

Typical cowardly nonsense. You believe that you need more-than-normal protection from the bad elements of society-- but you're not willing to provide that protection yourself, and apparently you're also sympathetic with denying other people the right to do so for themselves.

 

[Tashah]

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[John Dos Passos]

Re: Koran In Toilet A Hate Crime?

I don't think you get why "Hate crimes" exist.

For instance, with homosexuals, they are more likely to be beaten, killed and discriminated against than your average white male. Saying that someone killing someone for being gay shouldn't get any extra punishment is missing the point - there is a problem here and you have to create some kind of deterrent - just at least to mentally acknowledge to potential offenders that hate crimes are somehow worse than normal crimes. It also keeps them on their toes so they don't go after people they suspect may be minorities.

Do you have any idea how scary it must be, being a transsexual in an area where you really aren't in any way protected? You should read into the case of Gwen Arujo. That might change your view of "Hate crimes" just a little.

One of the inviolate fundamentals of a free society is that all adults are equal. Period. Any law that breaches this rule is antithetical to freedom.

Besides, words and language are such that all crimes are hate crimes by definition.

 

[jujuman13]

Quote by DANARHEA

(Excellent advise.)

Advise who?

Advise what?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The incident had to be a crime prior to the act and since when is plugging up a toilet a crime? If that's a crime I'd like to see the statute prohibiting plugging a toilet.