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Muslim imam Sheikh Adam who lectures on non-violence arrested for wife beating | Mail Online


Thank goodness he was a 'moderate' Muslim who preaches non-violence. What do you think would have happened had Sheikh Adam not been moderate and was a bit more Orthodox or dare I say it, "radical"? Is beating up one's wife for asking to live a more Western lifestyle NOT seen as violence but maybe just a mild misunderstanding between husband and wife?
 
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The bitch obviously deserved it.. SHARIA LAW FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Do we in the West have things to learn from Islam? You leftists better hope not.
 
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First off.. it is the Mail.. it has about as much credibility as a Republican homosexual..

Secondly so freaking what. Christian ministers have beaten up their wives, slept around, had sex with children. Politicians on the right have promoted the sanctity of marriage while screwing on the side.. hypocrities exist everywhere, and it has zero to do with if this guy is a Muslim, Christian or a freaking Martian..

all it shows is he is a hypocrite, IF the accusations are true.. would not be the first time a man was falsely accused (not saying that he is... but it is the Mail..)
 
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Ockham said:
-- Thank goodness he was a 'moderate' Muslim who preaches non-violence --
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Heaven forbid if we were all fool enough to think it only happens to clerics of a Muslim faith.

Alonzo Bradley - pastor beats and tortures wife up for 10 years.

Preacher Combs Trial - Combs and wife sentenced to 179 years for torture of Elsa Garcia.

Bishop Thomas W. Weeks - beating and choking wife

Ockham said:
Is beating up one's wife for asking to live a more Western lifestyle NOT seen as violence but maybe just a mild misunderstanding between husband and wife?
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1 - I've long felt that exposure to Western lifestyle will change Muslims long before the demographic ever reaches the point you could begin to dream that "Islam will take over Europe"
2 - wife beating is an international phenomenon, trying to make an anti-Islam point out of it is doomed to fail among the more questioning posters. It's only the rabid posters who fall for it.

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Infinite Chaos said:
Heaven forbid if we were all fool enough to think it only happens to clerics of a Muslim faith.
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Nice strawman. No one is claiming this only happens to Muslim clerics.

Infinite Chaos said:
1 - I've long felt that exposure to Western lifestyle will change Muslims long before the demographic ever reaches the point you could begin to dream that "Islam will take over Europe"
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Not if husbands beat the **** out of their wives when they ask or want to live a more Westernized lifestyle. The beating basically put fear into the woman. How much will she want to adopt a Western lifestyle when she get's the **** kicked out of her for it? Probably not much is my guess.
Infinite Chaos said:
2 - wife beating is an international phenomenon, trying to make an anti-Islam point out of it is doomed to fail among the more questioning posters. It's only the rabid posters who fall for it.
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Another nice strawman. No one is making an anti-Islam point -- I'm pointing out the insane hypocrisy of the guy preaching non-violence then beating up his wife. YOU'RE the one trying to make this about something it's not in order to what... defend Islam? Defend the hypocrisy? I don't know. The right thing to do is to say this guy was wrong, should be charged with beating his wife and is an extreme hypocrite. Instead you make this about some fictional anti-Islam nonsense. And you're lecturing me on "doomed to fail posters"? What a joke!

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Being politically moderate and encouraging tolerance and respect for other religions has nothing to do with the treatment of women and other such things. These are fabricated connections by those who simply cannot understand the sources of abuse. Abuse of this sort is contradictory to Islamic teachings, and has very clearly been outlawed by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). To start, the Qur'an says:

"And among His signs is that He created for you mates from among your yourselves so that you may dwell in peace and tranquility with them. And He has ordained between you love and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for those who reflect." (30:21).​

Marriage is built upon foundations of tranquility and trust.
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"None honours women except he who is honourable, and none despises them except he who is despicable."​

and also,

The best amongst you are those who are best to their wives.​

If you really care about Muslim women (which I seldom believe of those who so regularly speak out for Muslim women!), then you should try to understand the causes of abuse, which occur both within Muslim and non-Muslim communities. If the identity of a Christian were pointed out every time he or she abused a child or spouse, there certainly would seem a major problem amongst Christianity. One in four women in America claim to have been abused by a spouse.

Issues of spousal abuse have been repeatedly brought up and preached against at Islamic conventions across the Western World, and so it can be safely assumed that those Muslims who participate in such actions have no justification within Islam, and nor can their religious leaders be blamed. This is due to those who cannot hold back their anger.

And though not justifying it, acts like these and honor killings are indicative of the fact that Muslims have held strong to familial honor and chastity. Both are extremes.

From perhaps the most prominent Islamic scholar/lecturer in the United States: YouTube - Hamza Yusuf - Islam and Women - Honour Killings & Abuse of Women.avi

P.S. THESE SORTS OF THINGS HAPPEN IN TRADITIONAL REGIONS OF AFRICA, THE MIDDLE EAST, AND SOUTH AMERICA - REGARDLESS OF RELIGION!
 
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Ockham said:
Nice strawman. No one is claiming this only happens to Muslim clerics.
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Well, you can set my strawman afire easily by pointing out where you qualified that this thread was in truth a general point about clerics of any faith who beat their wives up.

Ockham said:
Not if husbands beat the **** out of their wives when they ask or want to live a more Westernized lifestyle.
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So this point isn't about Muslims is it? :roll:

Ockham said:
Another nice strawman. No one is making an anti-Islam point --
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Thank goodness he was a 'moderate' Muslim who preaches non-violence. What do you think would have happened had Sheikh Adam not been moderate and was a bit more Orthodox or dare I say it, "radical"?
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Do you know what the phrase "hoist with your own petard" means?

Ockham said:
The right thing to do is to say this guy was wrong, should be charged with beating his wife and is an extreme hypocrite. Instead you make this about some fictional anti-Islam nonsense --
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Ah yes - kindly point out where you said that in your first post? There's two rather healthy looking strawmen untouched by the quality of your argument.
 
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Abuse of this sort is contradictory to Islamic teachings, and has very clearly been outlawed by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
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Absolute cobblers and total taquiya.


Tabari IX:113: "Allah permits you to shut them (women) in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Quran."

Tabari I:280: "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."


"Men are the maintainers of women, for Allah has made some better than the other and men spend their wealth on them. Righteous women are thus obedient, guarding the secret which Allah has guarded. Those from whom you fear rebellion, scold them, desert them in the bed and beat them." Quran (4:34)




Abuse of women is PART AND PARCEL of devout Islam! Let nobody fool you otherwise, regardless of whether or not they make an honest mistake of it.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Well, you can set my strawman afire easily by pointing out where you qualified that this thread was in truth a general point about clerics of any faith who beat their wives up.
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The post is about Imam Shiek Adam, not "clerics of any faith". You're strawman stands. See post #1 for more detail.

Infinite Chaos said:
So this point isn't about Muslims is it?
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It's about Imam Shiek Adam. Did you READ the OP? :shock:

Infinite Chaos said:
Do you know what the phrase "hoist with your own petard" means?
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No, explain it to me.

Infinite Chaos said:
Ah yes - kindly point out where you said that in your first post?
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See, that what YOU'RE supposed to do instead of making excuses. The OP is supposed to set the stage for discussion about the topic, which I'll repeat, is about Imam Shiek Adam who teaching non-violence, and his beating his wife.

Infinite Chaos said:
There's two rather healthy looking strawmen untouched by the quality of your argument.
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I'm sure you have more just waiting to pop out at any moment. You realize using strawmen isn't something to be proud of ... or maybe not.
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:

Absolute cobblers and total taquiya.
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You do not know the definition of Taqiyya.


Can you confirm that either of these quotes are from Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari? What is your source? Neither sound like something he would say, and considering the second starts with, "Allah said...", and there is no record of anything like that in the Qur'an, nor Hadith Qudsi, it is very difficult to believe to have been authentic.
 
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This shouldnt be a crime...after all...Im sure he followed the rules regarding wife beating and only used it as a last resort after she had refused to follow his words...

Its a cultural thing. Just because you dont understand it doesnt make it wrong.
 
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...and sexual molestation and pedophilia amongst the priesthood....
 
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Musa said:
Neither sound like something he would say, and considering the second starts with, "Allah said...", and there is no record of anything like that in the Qur'an, nor Hadith Qudsi, it is very difficult to believe to have been authentic.
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Quran 4:34
Hadith Of The Sunan Of Abu Dawud, Chapter 709 - On Beating Women, #2141

Wife Beating In Islam
 
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Musa said:
...and sexual molestation and pedophilia amongst the priesthood....
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That's right. The Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, was no better than a neighborhood pedophile pretending to be a priest.
 
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Cultural or not, beating a woman for any reason is wrong. I don't want to understand it frankly. And it's not clear he used the rules... the Quran states a man should not beat his wife to the poiint of breaking bones.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
That's right. The Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, was no better than a neighborhood pedophile pretending to be a priest.
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Is that why he was poisoned maybe? :think:
 
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Show me in the Bible where it says that ministers can beat their wives.... like it does in the Koran.
 
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Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims or even other Muslims.

And I believe it was Aleem's translation. (Though I bet having said that I'll be told that's the 'wrong' one.) Either way, it's all over the place, which should be just as well for the spread of Islam right across Dar al Harb!


It's verse after verse, page after page, from one copy to another. Some Korans, as I saw in WH Smith, were fluffed up to the point of incoherence on the controversial verses. But generally the message is always the same.

Oh peaceful Muslims - why flog that dead old horse of yours?!
 
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Surah 4:34. ‘Men are in charge of (or overseers of - qawwamuna) women, as Allah has given them more (strength) than the other (sometimes translated as made them superior to the other), and because they spend of their wealth (to provide for them). Therefore women who are virtuous are obedient to God, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what God would have them guard. As for those women on whose part you fear rebellion (nushuz), admonish them and banish them to beds apart, (and last) beat (adribu) them. Then, if they obey you, seek not a way against them. For God is Most High, Great (above you all).


Then there's this book...
http://www.myspear.org/quran_stoning_women.html

Author: As Zaki Ameen worked as an Imam in the gulf states, he started to realize how the teaching of Muhammad (also spelt Mohammed) and the Quran were used to deceive followers, in order to gain control, money and power.

 
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Musa said:
...and sexual molestation and pedophilia amongst the priesthood....
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Talking about Muhammed like that might not be the wisest move...
 
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This would have been a crime under any khalifah. The sole testimony of a woman being abused by her husband to the extent that it left marking was enough for divorce alone.

Ockham said:
Quran 4:34
Hadith Of The Sunan Of Abu Dawud, Chapter 709 - On Beating Women, #2141

Wife Beating In Islam
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*facepalm* I could have copied and pasted into google for that. I mean a real source. An Islamic one. These sorts of things are readily available online.

Whovian said:
Show me in the Bible where it says that ministers can beat their wives.... like it does in the Koran.
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*facepalm* Do you guys not think it was common for the time? The fact that it was NOT mentioned says a lot. It was entirely permissible according to most prominent Jewish scholars. Perty sure you guys follow the same Old Testament, aye? Domestic Violence in Jewish Law - My Jewish Learning


*facepalm...again* This is totally B.S.. Taqiyya is when a Muslim conceals his or her faith. It is not even mentioned in Sunni jurisprudence, and has come to be accepted only in such cases for the sake of relieving oppression and persecution (i.e. when a Muslim would be harmed for revealing his faith). This is basically unanimous amongst Sunni scholars. I don't know about it in Shi'a Islam, yet usually the word is used against Sunni Muslims. You need to study Islamic law from those who derive it before passing judgement.


Again, you guys do not understand how Islamic law works. You do not copy and paste one verse of the Qur'an and then take it at face value for what it is. It matches up to other verses and hadith. For one, women were regularly beaten at the time of the revelation of Qur'an. This was in fact, a verse PROTECTING women. Men are called the PROTECTORS of women, because they have to economically support the women. At the time of the Qur'ans revelation, it was normal for a man to cut off finance as a form of punishment. This verse actually ensures that light beating is a LAST form of punishment, and it is said by most scholars that this is applicable in the case of SEXUAL deviancy, which is a huge sin in Islam. Furthermore, we are supposed to follow the example of the Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) and it is said that he NEVER hit ANYONE outside of war, and that includes women, children, and slaves. Furthermore, the Prophet (pbuh) said, "How dare you hit your women like camels and then want to sleep with her in the night?" He also said, "The best of you are those who do not resort to beating." He also said "The best amongst you are those who are best to your wives".

In Islamic law, a woman may attain divorce through presenting marks from beatings.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
That's right. The Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, was no better than a neighborhood pedophile pretending to be a priest.
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VanceMack said:
Talking about Muhammed like that might not be the wisest move...
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I was saying it in a way as to imply that there is nothing in the Bible that teaches pedophilia, just as the Qur'an does not support this sort of crime.
 
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alking about Muhammed like that might not be the wisest move...
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We took more during the Blitz, as did many other nations during the war.....


Muslims rioting in France, burning cars over killing of Muslim casino robber who shot at cops - Jihad Watch

30 injured in Coptic-Muslim riot in Marsa Matrouh - The Majlis

Muslims in Indonesia, Afghanistan Riot over Koran Burning in FLA - Atlas Shrugs

Paris Rioters Set Woman Afire as Violence Spreads - U.S. & World - FOXNews.com

Paris Burning: Muslims Youths Riot in France - Atlas Shrugs

Muslim Riot in Athens, Greece » Right Pundits

Thousands of Islamic fanatics wielding knives demand jailed teddy bear teacher is executed | Mail Online

Belgium: Muslim riots, Jewish neighborhood sealed - Jihad Watch

Islamic riots in Amsterdam « SIOE Stop Islamisation Of Europe

Muslim Riots in Sweden: "It's Raining Stones" PM Reinfeld "extremely serious situation" "an attack on both the society as a whole and on the residents in the area" - Atlas Shrugs

Political Pistachio: Muslim Riot in Norway , etc.


And the answer to the problem? MORE Islamisation, MORE Sharia, MORE Muslims!

...And without throwing out all the toxic ones already here? Sheesh!!!!
 
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Musa said:
I was saying it in a way as to imply that there is nothing in the Bible that teaches pedophilia, just as the Qur'an does not support this sort of crime.
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And I'd reply with the videos from a few dozen or so Imams from Saudi, Egypt, and every other middle eastern country that describe the mans right to beat, abuse, and kill his wife under the Muslim law (and yeah...its hard to claim its just those 'radical' extremists from the Taliban that shoot women in the street...and I could post that video as well)...except...well...its all been done...and its a little bit boring at this point. Defend away...
 
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