Muslim cleric blames women for rape (1 Viewer)

[Vader]

Muslim cleric blames women for rape

SYDNEY, Australia - A senior Muslim cleric compared women who go without a head scarf to "uncovered meat" left out for scavengers, drawing widespread condemnation and calls Thursday for his resignation.

Sheik Taj Aldin al Hilali denied he was condoning rape when he made the comments in a sermon last month, and apologized to any women he had offended, saying they were free to dress as they wished.

Hilali was quoted in The Australian newspaper Thursday as saying in the sermon: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... without cover, and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat's?"

Cleric blames women's attire for attacks

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The useless piece of pig feces described above is a a prime example and 100% proof of the absolute failure of Islam. This piece shows why Islam and government must be seperated and why Islamic Clerics must be banned from holding postions of authority or influence.

Islam is stuck in th 1600's and that makes it a threat to the modern world. Until Islam gives up the idea of theocractic dictatorship, owning women, and other such practices, it has no place in the modern would and must be kept out of government and parlimentary bodies everywhere.

Shiriah law doesn't apply to modern times and it it is high time that the islamo-nazi-scumsuckers starting realizing that.

MOREOVER, the Taliban, who have been seen burning schools, which teach western culture, must be held accountable for their actions; ergo ... for each school the Talibitches burn, 10 of the schools they support must be burned as punishment. Furthermore, there was be a toll in Taliban blood--- such as 50 Taliban soldiers must die for each school that is burned, or for each terrorist attack they sanction, plan, and carryout.

If violence is all these animals understand, then I say we give them a massive taste of their own medicine.

We must make it clear to these pathetic animals that they will not be allowed to terrorize people and live to praise their murderous actions.

Strong medicine for strong evil moronity.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Well, just remember that they are saying the exact same things about our cultural values. Remember... that if you're going to attempt to change their culture, you are going to have to do it exactly as you have described. You are going to have to eradicate them, and all of their works, and then forcibly re-educate their children.

I find myself increasingly comfortable with that approach. If you do, however, I would have to question your commitment to your political principles; while they're certainly "fair game" as immigrants to Western culture, you're on far shakier ground when suggesting that your laws be applied to their culture in their homes.

 

[shuamort]

It's a bit baby and the bathwater there. Equate muslim cleric with Fred Phelps to get to my point.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

"The true veil is in the eyes of men." - Muhammad ibn Abdullah, the Seal of the Prophets.

 

[jallman]

It's a bit baby and the bathwater there. Equate muslim cleric with Fred Phelps to get to my point.

I normally would agree with you there. However, there seems to be an alarming frequency with these rabid clerics popping up all over. And to the best of my knowledge, Fred Phelps (detestable scumbag that he is) isn't encouraging his followers to strap bombs to themselves and run into cafes. I am pretty much of the mindset lately that Islam should be eradicated from practice and even from our history books.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

I normally would agree with you there. However, there seems to be an alarming frequency with these rabid clerics popping up all over. And to the best of my knowledge, Fred Phelps (detestable scumbag that he is) isn't encouraging his followers to strap bombs to themselves and run into cafes. I am pretty much of the mindset lately that Islam should be eradicated from practice and even from our history books.

And I thought Vader's comments were detestable...

 

[jallman]

And I thought Vader's comments were detestable...

You may find my comments detestable if you wish. however, don't you think it would be a bit more productive and in the spirit of debate to at least explain why? And what is your solution to the Islamic evil?

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

You may find my comments detestable if you wish. however, don't you think it would be a bit more productive and in the spirit of debate to at least explain why? And what is your solution to the Islamic evil?

No, I would not presume to hijack Mr. Vader's thread out from under him.

I will say that "Islamic Evil" is an oxymoron, and leave it at that.

 

[jallman]

No, I would not presume to hijack Mr. Vader's thread out from under him.

I will say that "Islamic Evil" is an oxymoron, and leave it at that.

In other words, you had no real comment except to dinegrate the comments of others. I'll keep that in mind should I ever be presented with another opportunity to share such informative conversation with you.

 

[talloulou]

You may find my comments detestable if you wish. however, don't you think it would be a bit more productive and in the spirit of debate to at least explain why? And what is your solution to the Islamic evil?

My solution is walmarts and cosco. McDonald's on every corner. All homes in the middle east hooked up to the internet.

Make the middle east a better place and turn them into mad crazed consumers like us in the US and all this crazy..."Kill Kill Allah Allah" will be tossed by the wayside in favor of rampant consumerism. :mrgreen:

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Make the middle east a better place and turn them into mad crazed consumers like us in the US and all this crazy..."Kill Kill Allah Allah" will be tossed by the wayside in favor of rampant consumerism. :mrgreen:

Hmm. Failing to see how that's in any way good.

Ours is a sick, sick culture. Theirs may be vile... but at least it's sustainably vile.

 

[Volker]

No, I would not presume to hijack Mr. Vader's thread out from under him.

I will say that "Islamic Evil" is an oxymoron, and leave it at that.

I don't think, it's possible to have a serious debate with jallman.

 

[Volker]

In other words, you had no real comment except to dinegrate the comments of others. I'll keep that in mind should I ever be presented with another opportunity to share such informative conversation with you.

Your comments are not worth to be debated.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

In other words, you had no real comment except to dinegrate the comments of others. I'll keep that in mind should I ever be presented with another opportunity to share such informative conversation with you.

There is no need for other words, I meant exactly what I said.

Israeli Strike Kills 10 Palestinians. That is the name of a thread that I started and that has more recently been used to discuss Islam. If you would like to continue this I would suggest you go there.

Back to topic.

In the pre-Islamic Arab Penninsula the rights of women were many more times a disgrace than they are today. When a female would be born it would not be uncommon for the infant to be buried alive. Males were an asset, females were a burden. Women were raped at the whim of men and many children were left without fathers and women left without people to care for them.

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested." (33:59)

The motive of the Hijab was originally to protect Muslim women from such things.

"The true veil is in the eyes of men." - Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, The Seal of the Prophets.

It seems to me quite evident that the Hijab was meant to protect women. Today though, I think it is easier to say that a woman can be guaranteed a higher level of safety without a Hijab in most parts of the world, than a woman could guarantee without a Hijab in the sixth century Arab Penninsula.

There are three female Muslims in my Arabic class that do not wear the traditional headcoverings, and there are five that do (including my teacher).

 

[FallingPianos]

The useless piece of pig feces described above is a a prime example and 100% proof of the absolute failure of Islam.

you are judging islam based off of one cleric?

 

[Voidwar]

you are judging islam based off of one cleric?

What rock have you been living under ? ? ?

:doh You think this guy is alone ? ? ? :doh

How naive would a person have to be in this day and age to think that this cleric was the only example of Islam's intolerance ?

 

[jallman]

I don't think, it's possible to have a serious debate with jallman.

Look schnitzel, you've never had the pleasure of a real conversation with me because I simply don't take your nazi sympathizing arse seriously. Now move along to the next pomfritz stand and quit fouling the air with your kraut smell. :2wave:

 

[jallman]

There is no need for other words, I meant exactly what I said.

Israeli Strike Kills 10 Palestinians. That is the name of a thread that I started and that has more recently been used to discuss Islam. If you would like to continue this I would suggest you go there.

Back to topic.

In the pre-Islamic Arab Penninsula the rights of women were many more times a disgrace than they are today. When a female would be born it would not be uncommon for the infant to be buried alive. Males were an asset, females were a burden. Women were raped at the whim of men and many children were left without fathers and women left without people to care for them.

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested." (33:59)

The motive of the Hijab was originally to protect Muslim women from such things.

"The true veil is in the eyes of men." - Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, The Seal of the Prophets.

It seems to me quite evident that the Hijab was meant to protect women. Today though, I think it is easier to say that a woman can be guaranteed a higher level of safety without a Hijab in most parts of the world, than a woman could guarantee without a Hijab in the sixth century Arab Penninsula.

There are three female Muslims in my Arabic class that do not wear the traditional headcoverings, and there are five that do (including my teacher).

I'm not sure what kind of moral high ground you are trying to claim here, but the fact is, radical Islamo-fascism is the direct cause of much of the global violence in this world. Further, in those countries that claim to be "muslim" countries, women are treated like dirt. This cleric is not a lone circumstance...but one example of many, many hate-mongering, woman enslaving, oppressive cancers on the face of the planet. I used to give Islam the benefit of the doubt, even after 9-11. But it seems that every time the muslims are unhappy about something (be it a cartoon or a book or the words of an academician) death threats and violent riots start. If the only response we get from them is violence, then give them what they want and eradicate the scourge. Afterward, to ensure no revival of this vile faith, eliminate any reference to them from history and ensure their utter annihilation.

 

[Vader]

And I thought Vader's comments were detestable...

I realize you're pro-abuse and pro-terrorism; however, it should be noted that my comments are not nearly as detestable as those of the cleric I described. That cleric needs to shut his racist, masginistic pie hole.

Shame on you for agreeing with him.

May your camel spit on your shoes!

 

[Vader]

you are judging islam based off of one cleric?

Islam has not changed in the last 500 years...it refuses to change with the times; therefore, it is a threat to freedom, peace, and prosperity everwhere.

 

[Vader]

you are judging islam based off of one cleric?

What I am judging is the failure of Islam to run a government. Islam, and all other religions, need to be banned from government everwhere.

The Islam-o-nazis cannot seem to figure out why their pathetic theocracies are so hated around the world and they blame America for everything; including their own failures.

It's time for Islam to get current or get destroyed.

 

[Volker]

Look schnitzel, you've never had the pleasure of a real conversation with me because I simply don't take your nazi sympathizing arse seriously. Now move along to the next pomfritz stand and quit fouling the air with your kraut smell. :2wave:

It's about remarks like this, why I don't think, it's possible to have a serious debate with jallman.

I had conversations with him before. It is pleasurable to talk with bright people. It is not pleasurable to talk with jallman.

 

[jallman]

It's about remarks like this, why I don't think, it's possible to have a serious debate with jallman.

I had conversations with him before. It is pleasurable to talk with bright people. It is not pleasurable to talk with jallman.

You are correct about it being pleasurable to speak with bright people. Unfortunately, I have never really seen anything bright from you and, so, do not feel the need to exert even the tiniest fraction of effort in responding to anything you say. And when have we ever had an exchange except when you were getting your arse handed to you in the basement? Prior to your first unwarranted snipe in this thread, you and I have never "debated" at all. I make no apologies for finding you less than a desirable conversationalist and I actually take some amusement in your failing social skills...I mean, for real man...you can't even show social grace on the internet. You have to see the humor...I know I do.

 

[Volker]

Yes, jallman addressed me before outside the basement, but he seems to sound always the same, inside the basement or outside the basement.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

I'm not sure what kind of moral high ground you are trying to claim here, but the fact is, radical Islamo-fascism is the direct cause of much of the global violence in this world.

Fascism - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

www.webster.com

There is no room for such a philosophy in Islam. There is no race and no nation that Allah prefers, so says the Messenger is in his Last Khutba.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.

The term "Islamo-Fascist" that is used by so many is a contradiction.

Further, in those countries that claim to be "muslim" countries, women are treated like dirt.

4:19

O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.

I will not deny that the problem of domestic abuse and the detestable record of women's rights within many countries that claim to follow Islam. However, the abuse of women has been around before Islam, and sadly, despite the Quran's stance against such things, it has remained.

This cleric is not a lone circumstance...but one example of many, many hate-mongering, woman enslaving, oppressive cancers on the face of the planet. I used to give Islam the benefit of the doubt, even after 9-11. But it seems that every time the muslims are unhappy about something (be it a cartoon or a book or the words of an academician) death threats and violent riots start. If the only response we get from them is violence, then give them what they want and eradicate the scourge.

The genocidal proposal of over a sixth of the planet is not a proposal I feel obligated to respond to.

Afterward, to ensure no revival of this vile faith, eliminate any reference to them from history and ensure their utter annihilation.

Of course. We'll write in the history books that the Hospital invented itself, that Greek medicine and philosophy preserved and further developed itself, that the Renaissance started itself and was not at all inspired by Muslim Spain. Sounds like a great plan, Admiral Gooch.