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I think Congressman Murtha is becoming senile......Even the Chairman of the joint chief of staff, Marine General Peter Pace said today that Murtha's comments are hurting the morale of our troops in Iraq........

Murtha wouldn't join military today
By Staff and Wire Reports
Jan 3, 2006, 00:01


Rep. John Murtha, a decorated veteran who spent 37 years in the Marines, says he wouldn't join the military today.

The White House had no immediate comment.
 
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I think the reason he wouldn't join the military today is because he actually wants to protect his country, not fight for the neo-cons special interests.
 

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Yeah no ****. I considered joining the military before but with everythings that happened in Iraq, I won't do it because I don't want to die for some bullshit war.

Senile my ass. . .perhaps senile when it contrasts with your views. . .
 

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Axismaster said:
I think the reason he wouldn't join the military today is because he actually wants to protect his country, not fight for the neo-cons special interests.
Congratulations you have the left wing spin down pat my friend:spin:
 

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Navy Pride said:
Congratulations you have the left wing spin down pat my friend:spin:
Left wing spin? I am more of a true conservative than you are, because unlike you and your neo-con cronies, I am actually for smaller government across the board. Extensive military actions and subsidized corporations are not smaller government. Bush is the biggest F-ing socialist in American history!
 

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Axismaster said:
Left wing spin? I am more of a true conservative than you are, because unlike you and your neo-con cronies, I am actually for smaller government across the board. Extensive military actions and subsidized corporations are not smaller government. Bush is the biggest F-ing socialist in American history!

Go back to Kerry, he would have gave you all those things...yeah, right..:roll:
 

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Axismaster said:
Left wing spin? I am more of a true conservative than you are, because unlike you and your neo-con cronies, I am actually for smaller government across the board. Extensive military actions and subsidized corporations are not smaller government. Bush is the biggest F-ing socialist in American history!
You are actually right except i do support the war, when it comes to true conservative, they dont like Bush. I'm a conservative and I do not like him. He is just a better choice than Kerry would have been. But a true conservative would not do all this wire tap bull.
 

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You are actually right except i do support the war, when it comes to true conservative, they dont like Bush. I'm a conservative and I do not like him. He is just a better choice than Kerry would have been. But a true conservative would not do all this wire tap bull.
I can't believe people actually voted for Bush cause they thought he'd be "better". How could anybody be any worse? What kind of a leader starts wars with countries for profit? What could possibly be worse? Who claims to defend freedom yet threatens it at home with things like the Patriot ACt and this whole wiretapping bullshit? Who appoints people based on busness relations rather then because he actually feels they can do the job? Who could possibly be any worse?
 

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FinnMacCool said:
I can't believe people actually voted for Bush cause they thought he'd be "better". How could anybody be any worse? What kind of a leader starts wars with countries for profit? What could possibly be worse? Who claims to defend freedom yet threatens it at home with things like the Patriot ACt and this whole wiretapping bullshit? Who appoints people based on busness relations rather then because he actually feels they can do the job? Who could possibly be any worse?
You see, it is those Republicans, they just can't get away from their Bush. Let me tell you something Mr. True Conservative, if you want to have a true conservative, vote libertarian.
 

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You are actually right except i do support the war, when it comes to true conservative, they dont like Bush. I'm a conservative and I do not like him. He is just a better choice than Kerry would have been. But a true conservative would not do all this wire tap bull.

President Bush is a social conservative and a fiscal moderate.........
 

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Navy Pride said:
President Bush is a social conservative and a fiscal moderate.........
If trillions of dollars in deficit is moderate, I would hate to see a fiscal liberal in there.
 

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If trillions of dollars in deficit is moderate, I would hate to see a fiscal liberal in there.
15 year old huh.......:roll: You will grow wiser as you grow older young man.......Guess you never heard of 9/11/01, 2 wars and the worse natural disaster in the history of the U.S. They cost money son...You will learn when you have to make a living and not be supported by mommy and daddy..........;)
 

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15 year old huh....... You will grow wiser as you grow older young man.......Guess you never heard of 9/11/01, 2 wars and the worse natural disaster in the history of the U.S. They cost money son...You will learn when you have to make a living and not be supported by mommy and daddy..........
Why don't you actually debate him on the issues instead of attacking him? I have yet to see you contradict a single thing he's said. Come on, lets here your excuse. We're listening.
 

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Navy Pride said:
15 year old huh.......:roll: You will grow wiser as you grow older young man.......Guess you never heard of 9/11/01, 2 wars and the worse natural disaster in the history of the U.S. They cost money son...You will learn when you have to make a living and not be supported by mommy and daddy..........;)
...What does having to support yourself have to do with criticizing the excessive expenditures of the federal government? Instead of belittling him because of his age, why don't you actually address his comments.

A fiscal conservative would not be enacting most of the policies that Bush has supported; the modern Republican Party is by and large not composed of actual conservatives.
 

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"Let me tell you, war is a nasty business. It sears the soul," he said, choking up. "And it made a difference. The shadow of those killings stay with you the rest of your life."

This is utter Bull ****. Many say this sort of thing because they are looking for pity that they didn't earn and in reality never left a supply desk. The ones that say this sort of thing and has killed on the field of battle...never should have worn the uniform in the first place.

Murtha was in the Marine Corps and knows all too well about the studies of the Middle East and the bigger issues involved. He knows all too well about what Iraq offers us according to the studies and written documentation since the Reagan era. He has chosen to set this study aside and play politics. General Pace is correct. I am very dissapointed with the "pretended" ignorance he is parading for his Party. I'm sure, his views would be quite the opposite were he still in uniform and not in a position to "earn" a paycheck through politics.
 

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GySgt said:
"Let me tell you, war is a nasty business. It sears the soul," he said, choking up. "And it made a difference. The shadow of those killings stay with you the rest of your life."

This is utter Bull ****. Many say this sort of thing because they are looking for pity that they didn't earn and in reality never left a supply desk. The ones that say this sort of thing and has killed on the field of battle...never should have worn the uniform in the first place.
What? He's not fit to have served in the military because he finds killing people emotionally scarring?

Murtha's Site said:
He learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, Captain Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for Vietnam in 1966-67, receiving the Bronze Star with Combat "V", two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. He remained in the Reserves until his retirement.
Never left a supply desk? You know, it's pretty hard to get two purple hearts and a Bronze Star (for combat) sitting at a supply desk. Why don't you stop marginalizing the man's military service - he did a courageous thing in volunteering to go fight and he certainly experienced combat.
 

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FinnMacCool said:
I can't believe people actually voted for Bush cause they thought he'd be "better". How could anybody be any worse? What kind of a leader starts wars with countries for profit? What could possibly be worse? Who claims to defend freedom yet threatens it at home with things like the Patriot ACt and this whole wiretapping bullshit? Who appoints people based on busness relations rather then because he actually feels they can do the job? Who could possibly be any worse?

Ahhh Fin...you're dissapointing me.

There is much more going on all over the world with regards to the "War on Terror" than just our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. WHile these two places are important and must be viewed as a success to the Muslim world there is a more important mission at hand - the IO War against the long-term threat and current ongoing covert operations against existing threats. There is Chad, Ethiopia, Sudan, "Palistine," Syria, Lebanon, Bosnia, Indonesia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, non-existent prison camps in Europe, International governments, CIA, MI6, and so on.

We are watching numerous Islamic terrorist camps in at least two countries. When individuals leave these camps, they are tracked to other governments where they meet with their comrads. When local governments pick them up, they also pick up intel and plots that lead to other cells and the like.

The Patriot Act and selective wire tapping are a part of that. Ours is not the only government that has taken these kinds of steps to protect its people and to track the threats. Ours seems to be the only ones that has to continually hide from our all seeing and public reporting media. (Our freedoms also endanger us.)

This is much bigger than Americans are naively bickering about. This is much larger than someone's imagined and paranoid visions of losing civil liberties. Some things that are not acceptable in our normal times become necessary during desperate times.
 

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What? He's not fit to have served in the military because he finds killing people emotionally scarring?
He's fit to wear the uniform, because he did so honorably. What I said wasn't directed to Murtha. I merely said that his statement, which we hear all of the time whether it be from fakers or Hollywood, was bullshit and it is. While many vets have had the occasional nightmare and the normal repercussions that come with combat and close combat, most vets get on with their lives.


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Never left a supply desk? You know, it's pretty hard to get two purple hearts and a Bronze Star (for combat) sitting at a supply desk. Why don't you stop marginalizing the man's military service - he did a courageous thing in volunteering to go fight and he certainly experienced combat.
Like I said....my comment was general and had nothing to do with Murtha. Why don't you stop defending something that wasn't under attack?
 

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GySgt said:
He's fit to wear the uniform, because he did so honorably. What I said wasn't directed to Murtha. I merely said that his statement, which we hear all of the time whether it be from fakers or Hollywood, was bullshit and it is. While many vets have had the occasional nightmare and the normal repercussions that come with combat and close combat, most vets get on with their lives.




Like I said....my comment was general and had nothing to do with Murtha. Why don't you stop defending something that wasn't under attack?
Alright, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were saying - it just came off as if you were dismissing his emotionality about the war.
 

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Engimo said:
Alright, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were saying - it just came off as if you were dismissing his emotionality about the war.
He is more politically ambitioned than acting as a former Marine. I know what he studied during his career and he is dismissing it for current loyalties.

Has he put his bid in for the Presidency yet?
 

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He is more politically ambitioned than acting as a former Marine. I know what he studied during his career and he is dismissing it for current loyalties.

Has he put his bid in for the Presidency yet?
He's 73, so I wouldn't count on it.
 

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Engimo said:
He's 73, so I wouldn't count on it.

Strike what I said before. This is the second time I've accidentally disregarded his age and when he got out of the Corps. He would have only briefly been exposed to the Middle Eastern reform thought process that has been going on in the military for the last twenty years unless he chose to study it.
 
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