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Mueller seeks Roger Stone’s testimony to House intelligence panel, suggesting special counsel is ne

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Good, I hope the nail Stone to the wall...been a long time coming.
Stone has a Nixon tattoo on his back, he's the last person that would ever flip..but it's always a slim possibility.

Thank you for demonstrating you are all anger and hatred and no substance. Again, what is it you think Stone has done to deserve this level of hatred. Be specific.
 

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Why are you being sooo whiny??? Seriously, why do you defend all these corrupt individuals who aren't looking out for you or your best interests.

Roger Stone was frequently involved with Wikileaks and frequently involved with Trump Jr who was tracking down the emails. If Stone got the emails from Wikileaks, that is illegal. If Stone is an agent of a foreign power, that is illegal. If Stone was an unregistered lobbyist for a foreign power while working for the Trump campaign (which is what it seems he was doing despite lying about it) that is ILLEGAL!!!!!!!

Get it?

You are as confused as ever. Im am neither 'whiny' nor defending anyone. I am asking questions. Do you not understand the difference. Must we go over that first? I am simply trying to get one of you to explain your over-the-top hatred for the guy. And none of you can. All you can provide as an excuse for your hair-on-fire rage is a list of 'ifs.' Try harder.
 

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You are as confused as ever. Im am neither 'whiny' nor defending anyone. I am asking questions. Do you not understand the difference. Must we go over that first? I am simply trying to get one of you to explain your over-the-top hatred for the guy. And none of you can. All you can provide as an excuse for your hair-on-fire rage is a list of 'ifs.' Try harder.

Roger Stone is a known liar and deeply involved in the campaigns of the two most criminal Presidents in modern history! I don't have to try.
 

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NOt sure why you chose to answer a question I posed then drone on without answering it. Again, what is it you think Stone has done? Be specific.
I was specific:
Stone appears to be lying to, and obstructing, the Mueller investigation that is looking into exactly happened with Russian hacking of the DNC and the timing of the release of those emails.
 
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Roger Stone is an asshole.
 

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Why? What has he done?

He predicted the future which must mean he consorts with Satan as one of his minions while practicing the dark arts.
 

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I was specific:

Not really. If he is lying and obstructing Mueller, Mueller will charge him with that. So far that hasnt happened. So you think he did what with regard to the election?
 

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Not really. If he is lying and obstructing Mueller, Mueller will charge him with that. So far that hasnt happened. So you think he did what with regard to the election?
“It hasn’t happened yet” has no bearing on your question. Again, the OP is about requesting the official House transcripts, making the charge of false statements/obstruction the likely crime foresha by this move. Also based on Stones very public stance to- date that he essentially will not fully cooperate. That’s what it appears Stone did, to trigger this move.

We know Stone was in communication guccifer, it appears he was in communication directly or indirectly with Assange which is central to the conspiracy involving Russian hacking of the DNC and the timing of the email release. He’s obviously someone they are interested in getting the full story from, as a result of that. If he chose not to cooperate by lying, then that will be “what Stone did”. You do understand that lying to or obstructing the investigation is a felony right?
 

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Why? What has he done?

Don't worry about it. I'm sure if worse comes to worse Roger can always go see if his friend in the Ecuadorean Embassy wants a bunk-mate. He could probably use the company.
 

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What is it you think Roger Stone is guilty of?

They seem to think he and Wikileaks are in cahoots.

Mueller has created more crimes with his perjury traps than he has charged. If Trump was working for the Russians, how long does Mueller plan to dick around before he saves the republic?

Speaking of lying to congress Zuckerburg told some whoppers, but he is young, cool, and not Trump, so he can lie about selling your family’s key words with impunity. Zuckerburg lied? No problema, maybe he will hire your congressman.
 
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“It hasn’t happened yet” has no bearing on your question. Again, the OP is about requesting the official House transcripts, making the charge of false statements/obstruction the likely crime foresha by this move. Also based on Stones very public stance to- date that he essentially will not fully cooperate. That’s what it appears Stone did, to trigger this move.

We know Stone was in communication guccifer, it appears he was in communication directly or indirectly with Assange which is central to the conspiracy involving Russian hacking of the DNC and the timing of the email release. He’s obviously someone they are interested in getting the full story from, as a result of that. If he chose not to cooperate by lying, then that will be “what Stone did”. You do understand that lying to or obstructing the investigation is a felony right?

So lets say Assange tipped him off to the fact that he had some stolen emails, or whatever it is you think happened. Is that a crime? Is that 'collusion' with the Russians? The only underlying crime I can see in this entire Russia story is the actual theft of the emails. Assange released the emails, not Stone or Trump and even if Assange worked with Stone to make sure the releases had the greatest impact, where is the crime? And how does this bring down Trump?
 

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Don't worry about it. I'm sure if worse comes to worse Roger can always go see if his friend in the Ecuadorean Embassy wants a bunk-mate. He could probably use the company.

So you cant answer the question either then.
 

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So many questions Fletch, it's as though you have absolutely no idea what's going on, but act like you're curious just the same.

Stone appears to be lying to, and obstructing, the Mueller investigation that is looking into exactly happened with Russian hacking of the DNC and the timing of the release of those emails.
There is a ton of evidence that Stone knows about this, and if prosecutors were able to catch him lying about is knowledge of these matters to the United States, they will indict him.

False statements and obstruction both serve critical roles in empowering prosecutors to go after white collar conspiracies, where getting together and lying about what happened, is often all they need to do to cover up their crimes. If they decide the exposure of that information would be worse than taking false statment/obstruction charges, they may stick with the illegal cover up as their best option. If they instead cooperate, and don't act like a stupid right wing nutter like Flynn, they might get a slap on the wrist.
In this way, *some* justice is served either way.

Obviously the United States would prefer Stone to come clean and tell us what happened. If he refuses criminally, then he'll be indicted.
There are plenty of ways he could not answer, without lying...but the vast majority of criminals just can't help themselves. Was Stone the exception? It's possible, we shall see.

Over the past couple of years, the exact same name note could have been written, substituting the name 'Stone' with 'Papadapolous' or 'Page' or 'Flynn' or 'Manafort' or 'Cohen.' Yet Mueller has never charged anyone with colluding (and with PapaD, Mueller agreed the Trump campaign showed no interest in 'collusion') just the old perjury charges relating to the interview, or some crime which had nothing to do with the rationalization of the SC appt. Yet every so often another known name pops up, and we start anew and fresh and wonder about all the stuff Mueller has on Trump & Russis conspiracy, when the track record ought to indicate Mueller doesnt have anything.
 

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Ain't it wonderful that they seem to have realized that lying to Congress is a crime? Too bad it only seems to be for those associated with Trump

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Over the past couple of years, the exact same name note could have been written, substituting the name 'Stone' with 'Papadapolous' or 'Page' or 'Flynn' or 'Manafort' or 'Cohen.'
Exactly. This started as an FBI investigation, and instead of cooperating, the FBI and the public quickly discovered that the Trump campaign and surrounding staff were lying to the public, covering facts up, and were willing to commit felonies in order to avoid telling the truth about what was going on.
According R. Trey Gowdy, lying to the public, while not a crime itself, is evidence of intent and/or consciousness of guilt?
So when the investigators ran into a MOUNTAIN of evidence and/or intent and consciousness of guilt, they pursued it as they should.[1]

Yet Mueller has never charged anyone with colluding (and with PapaD, Mueller agreed the Trump campaign showed no interest in 'collusion') just the old perjury charges relating to the interview,
Which is typical in a white collar conspiracy. It's why laws like making false statements are so broad, and so critical to law enforcement investigations like this. When the nature of the crimes is just verbal deals between people, there is no smocking gun. You have to actually get people to talk, to reveal what occurred. And if they all decide to lie, the investigation could be prevented from discovering the truth. Investigators can then prosecute them for false statements/obstructing the investigation, in the hopes that they can convince them to cooperate with the investigation. It's as common as it gets. Why are you so bewildered by a professional investigation like this?

Yet every so often another known name pops up, and we start anew and fresh and wonder about all the stuff Mueller has on Trump & Russia conspiracy, when the track record ought to indicate Mueller doesn't have anything.
The track records indicates more and more people are caught lying and covering up. That's the track record. You do know how many people have been indicted, and convicted, in this investigation I'm sure.

[1] page 215
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-cont...y-interview-transcript-12-7-18_Redacted-1.pdf
 

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Exactly. This started as an FBI investigation, and instead of cooperating, the FBI and the public quickly discovered that the Trump campaign and surrounding staff were lying to the public, covering facts up, and were willing to commit felonies in order to avoid telling the truth about what was going on.
According R. Trey Gowdy, lying to the public, while not a crime itself, is evidence of intent and/or consciousness of guilt?
So when the investigators ran into a MOUNTAIN of evidence and/or intent and consciousness of guilt, they pursued it as they should.[1]


Which is typical in a white collar conspiracy. It's why laws like making false statements are so broad, and so critical to law enforcement investigations like this. When the nature of the crimes is just verbal deals between people, there is no smocking gun. You have to actually get people to talk, to reveal what occurred. And if they all decide to lie, the investigation could be prevented from discovering the truth. Investigators can then prosecute them for false statements/obstructing the investigation, in the hopes that they can convince them to cooperate with the investigation. It's as common as it gets. Why are you so bewildered by a professional investigation like this?


The track records indicates more and more people are caught lying and covering up. That's the track record. You do know how many people have been indicted, and convicted, in this investigation I'm sure.

[1] page 215
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-cont...y-interview-transcript-12-7-18_Redacted-1.pdf

Nobody has been CHARGED with things to do with collusion. People have been charged with lying to investigators, but not charged with the underlying purpose of the investigation.
Why is that? What happened to all this "mountain of evidence?" Maybe because collusion didnt happen? Maybe because contact with Russians is not illegal?
 

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That does seem to be what they are getting at, but what would be criminal about that?


Mueller seems to feel that Stone got info from Wikileaks before it became public and somehow used it to benefit Trump. He says he didn't. Stone says it was normal news wienie gossip. If that is a crime, the nations major newspapers have a problem. So the FBI is squeezing Corsi to back up their belief that Stone did that. Corsi and Stone are sleaze merchants, and quite old, and IMO if they had a direct line to Wikileaks, they would have used it to make money by scooping the information and selling it to the newspapers.

The problem that is not getting enough media attention (the anti - Trump media) is the pressure put on peripheral players and wanna be's through the use of "perjury traps" in order to get them to "do the right thing". In Corsi's case they had e mails from two years ago and expected him to remember what was in them. He is suing the FBI for mistreatment during the interrogation, and saying that the FBI was pushing him to lie "or else".

They let democrats amend testimony thus negating the "lie", but not those in the Trump "orbit". They are treated as "lies", and thus perjury. You have to understand that in most cases the FBI has the transcripts, so if your memory doesn't match the transcripts exactly, they can charge you. Now they can dangle five years hard time or else.

I posit that proof of insanity is to not embellish, lie or otherwise "do the right thing" to avoid a long prison sentence. The FBI will flat out tell the subject that "we aren't really after you". Hint, hint.

The FBI can interview you and each time you need an expensive, specialized lawyer. They don't work cheap. This is how they crushed Gen Flynn. He has sold his house and is broke due to the cost of defending himself.

My feelings right now are that if an FBI agent asked me what time is was, I would not answer him. It's not worth the risk.
 
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So you cant answer the question either then.

What's the matter Fletch? Do you have any deductive reasoning abilities whatsoever? The Special Counsel is asking Congress to provide him with an "official certified" clean copy of Stone's testimony before Congress. Now why do you think Mueller may need an official certified copy of Stone's testimony when he already has a working copy of Stone's Congressional testimony before him? The most obvious of the likely reasons for that would be that Mueller would need to have an official certified copy of that document for him to legally file an indictment against Stone for lying to Congress. As to what specifically he had lied to them about remains to be seen.
 

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What's the matter Fletch? Do you have any deductive reasoning abilities whatsoever? The Special Counsel is asking Congress to provide him with an "official certified" clean copy of Stone's testimony before Congress. Now why do you think Mueller may need an official certified copy of Stone's testimony when he already has a working copy of Stone's Congressional testimony before him? The most obvious of the likely reasons for that would be that Mueller would need to have an official certified copy of that document for him to legally file an indictment against Stone for lying to Congress. As to what specifically he had lied to them about remains to be seen.

Thank you Captain Obvious but that is not the question I asked, Of course you have the right to insert yourself into any discussion here, but the least you can do is try to get a feel for what is going on first.
 

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Mueller seems to feel that Stone got info from Wikileaks before it became public and somehow used it to benefit Trump. He says he didn't. Stone says it was normal news wienie gossip. If that is a crime, the nations major newspapers have a problem. So the FBI is squeezing Corsi to back up their belief that Stone did that. Corsi and Stone are sleaze merchants, and quite old, and IMO if they had a direct line to Wikileaks, they would have used it to make money by scooping the information and selling it to the newspapers.
That is what I am trying to get liberals here to address (without any success). Lets say Stone was working hand in hand with Assange, is that a crime? If so, what law has he violated? The angry liberals here want his head on a spike, but when pressed, they cant explain why..
 

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Exactly. This started as an FBI investigation, and instead of cooperating, the FBI and the public quickly discovered that the Trump campaign and surrounding staff were lying to the public, covering facts up, and were willing to commit felonies in order to avoid telling the truth about what was going on.
According R. Trey Gowdy, lying to the public, while not a crime itself, is evidence of intent and/or consciousness of guilt?
So when the investigators ran into a MOUNTAIN of evidence and/or intent and consciousness of guilt, they pursued it as they should.[1]


Which is typical in a white collar conspiracy. It's why laws like making false statements are so broad, and so critical to law enforcement investigations like this. When the nature of the crimes is just verbal deals between people, there is no smocking gun. You have to actually get people to talk, to reveal what occurred. And if they all decide to lie, the investigation could be prevented from discovering the truth. Investigators can then prosecute them for false statements/obstructing the investigation, in the hopes that they can convince them to cooperate with the investigation. It's as common as it gets. Why are you so bewildered by a professional investigation like this?


The track records indicates more and more people are caught lying and covering up. That's the track record. You do know how many people have been indicted, and convicted, in this investigation I'm sure.

[1] page 215
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-cont...y-interview-transcript-12-7-18_Redacted-1.pdf

Terrific. Its been over two years now and you guys all think Trump is guilty of something. Do you have even a simple guess as to what it is and how it went down? Anything at all?
 

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Terrific. Its been over two years now and you guys all think Trump is guilty of something. Do you have even a simple guess as to what it is and how it went down? Anything at all?

Well its obvious Roger Stone is guilty of consorting with Satan himself since he successfully predicted the future and the ability to do that is a well known skill of a practitioner of the dark arts.
 

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Well its obvious Roger Stone is guilty of consorting with Satan himself since he successfully predicted the future and the ability to do that is a well known skill of a practitioner of the dark arts.

Hilarious.
 
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