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Mueller hands down 13 Russian indictments!

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/russians-indicted-in-special-counsel-robert-muellers-probe.html

The individuals in question work for a group funded by Putin. Color me surprised....:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Trump and his satellite DP "Trumpies" will be working overtime this weekend coming up with new Mueller attacks and other assorted nonsense. I can hardly wait to see what they can come up with next.

The bottom line is that Trump was either lying or wrong. This IS no hoax.

Thank you Mr. Mueller for your persistence and diligence despite obvious obstructions and personal attacks from the Trump Administration.
 

Fake news!
 

I posted it already and your link says ...
"By in or around May 2014, the organization's strategy included interfering with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, with the stated goal of "spread[ing] distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general," the indictment said.
 

You seem to be implying that this proves that there was collusion between Trump and the Russians. Is this what you are saying? Where does this appear in Mueller's indictment?
 
Another indicator that the leaks are not coming from the Mueller investigation.

First I have heard of this.
 
This will make harder than ever to fire Mueller.
 
LowDown said:
You seem to be implying that this proves that there was collusion between Trump and the Russians. Is this what you are saying? Where does this appear in Mueller's indictment?
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It does not mention Trump but the indictment mentions conspiring with each other "and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury" beginning at the bottom of page 2 so the indictment isn't comprehensive.
 
LowDown said:
You seem to be implying that this proves that there was collusion between Trump and the Russians. Is this what you are saying? Where does this appear in Mueller's indictment?
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It doesn't prove collusion, but if Trump now gets Mueller fired it will look like collusion going forward.
 

Seriously?


It also says:

"A federal grand jury has indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for alleged interference in the 2016 presidential elections, during which they boosted the candidacy of Donald Trump, special counsel Robert Mueller's office said Friday."

I also says:

"While that effort was launched in 2014, by early to mid-2016, the defendants were "supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ... and disparaging Hillary Clinton," the indictment charges."
 
JackA said:
It doesn't prove collusion, but if Trump now gets Mueller fired it will look like collusion going forward.
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Every time that Trump denies that Russia interfered with the 2016 elections it looks like collusion. Vetoing those new sanctions looked like collusion. Doing nothing about Russia planing to meddle in the next elections looks like collusion. It certainly does not look like America first; it looks like Russia first and screw America.
 
Besides noting they wanted to spread distrust toward the candidates and the system, it also said they started in 2014.
It's important, yes, because it confirms what many thought had happened.
I'm afraid for others this is looking like yet another coitus interruptus type event like between Joy Behar and Brian Ross.
 
This in no way implies that additional indictments will not be issued.

This is simply the first batch of indictments of Russian individuals in the Russia/collusion investigation of Special Counsel Mueller.
 
Bok_Tukalo said:
It does not mention Trump but the indictment mentions conspiring with each other "and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury" beginning at the bottom of page 2 so the indictment isn't comprehensive.
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Prosecutors don't usually hold back their best stuff. If there was collusion it would be in there.

Besides which, the indictment says that these guys supported Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein, too. Collusion?
 
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JackA said:
It doesn't prove collusion, but if Trump now gets Mueller fired it will look like collusion going forward.
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Trump wasn't going to fire Mueller anyway, so that's a non issue. If the object is to get Trump then this falls far short.
 

Now, in the view of Trumpites, you are cherry picking.
 
LowDown said:
Prosecutors don't usually hold back their best stuff. If there was collusion it would be in there.
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It also uses the word "unwitting" when talking about the defendants' contact with the Trump Campaign so that could indicate that Trump was not actively conspiring.

I still think this isn't comprehensive and there is more to come.
 
LowDown said:
You seem to be implying that this proves that there was collusion between Trump and the Russians. Is this what you are saying? Where does this appear in Mueller's indictment?
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Nah...there's no collusion! Why would one think that when Trump still refuses to allow the sanctions on Russia passed by Congress with a combined vote of 528-7? Why would one think that when Trump publicly and repeatedly took Putin's word over that of the CIA/FBI/NSA?

So you can believe Trump when he has said several times that he believes Putin when Putin said Russia was not interfering with America's elections...OR you can believe the FBI who has just indicted 13 Russians for doing precisely that (almost certainly at the behest of the Kremlin).

What's your choice? Whom do you choose to believe? Trump? Or the FBI? Or maybe you can make the third choice, that the FBI is right, but that Trump really does believe Putin, but what, then, does that say about how incredibly stupid (or blackmailed) Trump is?
 

Here's what the Deputy Director of the DOJ says:

Rosenstein said there is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the scheme, nor is there any allegation that the scheme affected the outcome of the election.
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You guys are succumbing to wishful thinking again.
 
LowDown said:
Prosecutors don't usually hold back their best stuff. If there was collusion it would be in there.

Besides which, the indictment says that these guys supported Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein, too. Collusion?
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Um, yes, prosecutors DO hold back their best stuff. If you'll recall, Mueller was also the one who took down the Gambino crime family...and he did so by turning low-level criminals, then "made men", and worked his way up the chain to the top. Trump is scared (most bullies are cowards, after all) - why do you think he wanted to just not hide his income taxes, but also tried to put his entire financial records off-limits...even though he has many, many fiduciary ties to Russian oligarchs?

Face it, guy - y'all elected someone who is a puppet of Putin. Why the heck do you think he never, ever, EVER says anything that might in some way offend Putin? But I get it - you can't even allow yourself to think that, since the idea that y'all might be wrong and that the Dems might be right about something is simply unthinkable to you....
 
OMG! The Russians hedged their bets, working with both parties. :lamo
 

and ...
"And after the election of Trump as president in November 2016, the defendants used fake personas to organize and coordinate political rallies in support of Trump, while also doing the same to create rallies "protesting the results" of the election, the indictment said.

On one day, Nov. 12, 2016, the defendants organized a rally in New York to "show your support for President-elect Donald Trump" while at the same time organizing a "Trump is NOT my president rally" that also was held in New York."

Face it, they were ****ing with our system.
 

That article only concludes Russia attempted and possibly successfully performed "information warfare".
Not only does that not prove they actually assisted trump winning but also check out the "breaking news" story across the top. "Market rebounds after no indictments on allegations that americans helped"

Basically Russia and many other countries try to hack the US all the time and I'm willing to bet more than just Russia wants to fix elections for one side or the other. This is a security concern, not a espionage job.

The fix, continue improving network security. Not sure why this concludes trump is lying (about Russia and the election).

FAIL.
 

Yes, we know they were "****ing with our system". But what are you trying to say? THIS is how the exchange started:






And in the post of mine you quoted, I pointed out that you were omitting the portions of the article about Russians "****ing with our system" in order to help Trump and hurt Hillary. You now cite organization of a rally and counter rally after the election as if it's a rejoinder.
 


This isn't about the hacking. This is about the disinformation campaign.

It's early, still.
 
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