MSNBC anchor shows how easy signing up for Obamacare is

[Grim17]

So the government run-around begins....

[video=youtube;YiLHplT_6Dg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YiLHplT_6Dg[/video]

 

[WCH]

Yet somehow, magically, a million people signed up yesterday?

 

[Ockham]

Yet somehow, magically, a million people signed up yesterday?

Who release the number of people who signed up successfully and where can I find it?

 

[Fiddytree]

So the government run-around begins....

Yeah, it's called an unprepared website launch. What was slightly grating was Obama comparing it to a software glitch in iOS 7. He got that wrong. It would have been more appropriate to compare this to Apple's software update process, which during day-of-launch was so hammered that few could download the OS fully or at all. Shortly afterward, enough resources were pumped into the system that folks could easily download the OS and install it, per usual. Now few are even mentioning the difficulty of downloading the update.

Hence this doesn't implicate the ACA, but rather the website launch.

 

[Diogenes]

Hence this doesn't implicate the ACA, but rather the website launch.

True, but the launch failure does prove that the program is not ready for prime time and should be delayed for at least a year.

 

[trfjr]

Yeah, it's called an unprepared website launch. What was slightly grating was Obama comparing it to a software glitch in iOS 7. He got that wrong. It would have been more appropriate to compare this to Apple's software update process, which during day-of-launch was so hammered that few could download the OS fully or at all. Shortly afterward, enough resources were pumped into the system that folks could easily download the OS and install it, per usual. Now few are even mentioning the difficulty of downloading the update.

Hence this doesn't implicate the ACA, but rather the website launch.

and it is a hell a lot of difference down loading an operatizing system that require much more resources from both ends then it is for a consumer web site designed to sell one product

and it wasn't the high volume of traffic that plagued the ACA site if that was the case you wouldn't be able to access the site. the problem were the sites them selves. they had problems like no questions in the security question drop boxes and that is a design failure not a traffic problem

 

[Fiddytree]

True, but the launch failure does prove that the program is not ready for prime time and should be delayed for at least a year.

How so? We experience website delays frequently, which require adaptation for a matter of days, not weeks, months, or years.

and it is a hell a lot of difference down loading an operatizing system that require much more resources from both ends then it is for a consumer web site designed to sell one product.

The problem is the same, as far as I can tell. The servers were unable to handle the traffic. This happens to many different websites, regardless of what they were delivering. Websites with almost nothing but text can get hammered and killed with enough traffic.

 

[trfjr]

How so? We experience website delays frequently, which require adaptation for a matter of days, not weeks, months, or years.



The problem is the same, as far as I can tell. The servers were unable to handle the traffic. This happens to many different websites, regardless of what they were delivering. Websites with almost nothing but text can get hammered and killed with enough traffic.

it wasn't the high volume of traffic that plagued the ACA site if that was the case you wouldn't have been able to access the site. the problem were the sites them selves. they had problems like no questions in the security question drop boxes and that is a design failure not a traffic problem

 

[MaggieD]

True, but the launch failure does prove that the program is not ready for prime time and should be delayed for at least a year.

:rofl

Nice try.

 

[Fiddytree]

it wasn't the high volume of traffic that plagued the ACA site if that was the case you wouldn't have been able to access the site. the problem were the sites them selves. they had problems like no questions in the security question drop boxes and that is a design failure not a traffic problem

The meme of the day was service inability in addition to failure to connect to the websites themselves. You were right about the security questions and so forth, but the overwhelming discussion surrounded traffic-related issues.

 

[specklebang]

This reminds me of people who have to buy their Iphone on day 1 of the sales. Standing in line for hours on end, frustrated, cold, hot, wet, whatever because you just have to be one of the first.

Even DP has had problems lately and DP is pretty well established. Trying to judge the efficacy of Obamacare by website malfunctions o day 1 is reaching, reaching, reaching. C'mon folks. Calm down.

My son is a software crises fixer. It's a full time job debugging software. I suspect that dozens of engineers are fixing the errors and if you can just wait a week, you'll probably have a better experience.

As for Obamacare itself, lets face it. It's here. Just deal with it. If it fails, they'll change it. Otherwise, in 2016, you can elect somebody with software experience.

In the meantime, I really wish the USG could reopen. The point has been made. Can we just move on? If Obamacare sucks that much, it will die of its own accord (I think).

 

[Papa bull]

Yeah, it's called an unprepared website launch. What was slightly grating was Obama comparing it to a software glitch in iOS 7. He got that wrong. It would have been more appropriate to compare this to Apple's software update process, which during day-of-launch was so hammered that few could download the OS fully or at all. Shortly afterward, enough resources were pumped into the system that folks could easily download the OS and install it, per usual. Now few are even mentioning the difficulty of downloading the update.

Hence this doesn't implicate the ACA, but rather the website launch.

It would be more like comparing it to the Apple Launch if the users were asked to login except that that there were no prompts for input of user name and password. (or in this case, no security questions). Basically, users couldn't even get in the door and look around. It's like putting up a "grand opening" sign on a store and having a revolving door that has no inside entrance.

 

[trfjr]

This reminds me of people who have to buy their Iphone on day 1 of the sales. Standing in line for hours on end, frustrated, cold, hot, wet, whatever because you just have to be one of the first.

Even DP has had problems lately and DP is pretty well established. Trying to judge the efficacy of Obamacare by website malfunctions o day 1 is reaching, reaching, reaching. C'mon folks. Calm down.

My son is a software crises fixer. It's a full time job debugging software. I suspect that dozens of engineers are fixing the errors and if you can just wait a week, you'll probably have a better experience.

As for Obamacare itself, lets face it. It's here. Just deal with it. If it fails, they'll change it. Otherwise, in 2016, you can elect somebody with software experience.

In the meantime, I really wish the USG could reopen. The point has been made. Can we just move on? If Obamacare sucks that much, it will die of its own accord (I think).

be for real. just stop and think what your implying. we are talking about a simple consumer web site designed to sell one product with two option of that product it was not by far some monumental task. they had 3 years and billion of dollars to get it right. Computers games are designed with a million more lines of coding in shorter period of time with 1/4 the budget with a much more complicated system of delivering that product to the consumer

 

[Papa bull]

The meme of the day was service inability in addition to failure to connect to the websites themselves. You were right about the security questions and so forth, but the overwhelming discussion surrounded traffic-related issues.

Absolutely. Paint the problem as one that was really all about super high traffic and you can create the impression that it's just something to be expected because it was "too successful". The problems with the security questions were like the door was deadbolted rather than just the store exceeding maximum capacity.

 

[rocket88]

The exchanges are state-run. Meaning there's 50 of them.

I fail to see where this is media bias. She had trouble signing up and reported on the negative, and finally got frustrated and gave up. That's not reporting the official line of the administration. It shows a lot of negative in it, and in fact, she never attempted to rationalize why it was frustrating.

 

[Diogenes]

In the meantime, I really wish the USG could reopen. The point has been made. Can we just move on? If Obamacare sucks that much, it will die of its own accord (I think).

Tell Obama and Reid. The Republicans have already voted to fund the essential functions of government.

 

[Diogenes]

It would be more like comparing it to the Apple Launch if the users were asked to login except that that there were no prompts for input of user name and password. (or in this case, no security questions). Basically, users couldn't even get in the door and look around. It's like putting up a "grand opening" sign on a store and having a revolving door that has no inside entrance.

Excellent analogy! :applaud

 

[specklebang]

be for real. just stop and think what your implying. we are talking about a simple consumer web site designed to sell one product with two option of that product it was not by far some monumental task. they had 3 years and billion of dollars to get it right. Computers games are designed with a million more lines of coding in shorter period of time with 1/4 the budget with a much more complicated system of delivering that product to the consumer

OK. So? What have we learned other than somebody did a half-assed job of programming? It's the GOVERNMENT - they only know half-assed.

As far as the "simplicity", do you write code? Do you know that it takes hundreds/thousands of people to write code for a project of this size and security requirements? That when hundreds of people do something it almost never works right out of the gate? It takes one incorrect line of code to screw up the works?

Or is that not "real" enough for you?

 

[calamity]

So the government run-around begins....

Oh look. A Black person signing up for free stuff.

Conservatives are probably salivating over that one.

 

[trfjr]

OK. So? What have we learned other than somebody did a half-assed job of programming? It's the GOVERNMENT - they only know half-assed.

As far as the "simplicity", do you write code? Do you know that it takes hundreds/thousands of people to write code for a project of this size and security requirements? That when hundreds of people do something it almost never works right out of the gate? It takes one incorrect line of code to screw up the works?

Or is that not "real" enough for you?

that is why you stress test the programs you run test after test you give a trail run called beta testing to work out the bugs. none of it was done but you expect this government to handle millions of peoples health care when lives are at stake when that cant even get a simple web site that its soul purpose is to sell one product after 3 years and billions of dollars right

 

[Diogenes]

As far as the "simplicity", do you write code? Do you know that it takes hundreds/thousands of people to write code for a project of this size and security requirements? That when hundreds of people do something it almost never works right out of the gate? It takes one incorrect line of code to screw up the works?

That's why commercial software goes through alpha and beta versions, to get the bugs out before you inflict it on the public. Maybe we should just delay the whole thing for a couple more decades to see if the government can eventually get it right.

 

[specklebang]

Tell Obama and Reid. The Republicans have already voted to fund the essential functions of government.

that is why you stress test the programs you run test after test you give a trail run called beta testing to work out the bugs. none of it was done but you expect this government to handle millions of peoples health care when lives are at stake when that cant even get a simple web site that its soul purpose is to sell one product after 3 years and billions of dollars right

That's why commercial software goes through alpha and beta versions, to get the bugs out before you inflict it on the public. Maybe we should just delay the whole thing for a couple more decades to see if the government can eventually get it right.

If we waited for "The Government" to get things right, we'd still belong to Britain and the Queen would be on the currency.

I'll tell Obama and Reid that their software sucks. In the meantime, I'm just fine with the government closed up. I don't live paycheck to paycheck. So if a few million people suffer, it's no skin off my nose.

 

[Papa bull]

That's why commercial software goes through alpha and beta versions, to get the bugs out before you inflict it on the public. Maybe we should just delay the whole thing for a couple more decades to see if the government can eventually get it right.

I've been arguing with people too clueless to understand this. I should just start ignoring people when it's clear they do all their talking out their ass.

 

[Grim17]

Oh look. A Black person signing up for free stuff.

Conservatives are probably salivating over that one.

Oh look, another pathetic use of the race card by someone who can't handle the truth.

 

[calamity]

Oh look, another pathetic use of the race card by someone who can't handle the truth.

What troof? That Black people want free stuff :roll: