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Mr. President, will you just shut the fukk up!

GottaHurt said:
O.K., in reference to the poll, it was a bit tongue in cheek, any poll can be slanted. Poll a certain group in San Fran in regard to gay rights , it'll be favorable, poll a certain group on the same topic in Pigs Knuckle Arkansas, and it won't be favorable. Got it.

The bogus legislation being passed in Congress, is window dressing.Elections coming up in '06 & '08, and our elected officials are covering their a$$es before the campaigns start.They'll hold up their "voting records" touting how they passed legislation holding the President accountable.Gimme a break, these folks are snakes in the grass, period.

When poll after poll come out with similar findings, I believe it shows that there is truth to the findings. Look at the presidential election polls of 2004. Both Kerry and Bush were neck-in-neck. The only reason Bush won was because he won Ohio. Those polls had it pegged. Same with the polls in the 2000 race.


The link does work, it's for a book called "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu.
Know your adversary, everything about them, their habits, their habitat, their customs, etc... The more knowledge you gain, the more beneficial it is to you.

I am not going to lie to you and tell you it doesn't work if it does. This book does not answer the question I asked you. I will ask you again: please explain to me how someone has to know the specific location of Iraq to have an understanding of what is happening there. I remember learning about Pearl Harbor when I was a kid. I didn't know where it occurred, but I understood what happened there and what we did in response to that.


Social Security runs a surplus every year, if our elected officials would leave that surplus alone, let it roll over and draw interest, Social Security would have no problems meeting the current and future demands.But, the fools in Washington skim that surplus off, and allocate it elsewhere, which is what is creating the problem.

In a nutshell, they take our money, invest it, promise us a whopping 2% return, then tax us on our benefit!?! The clincher is, in and around 2018, Social Security will go into the red, they're either going to have to cut our benefit, or raise our taxes to cover the deficit they created!

IT'S OUR MONEY! The taxes wipe out the 2% return on our money, then they want to cut our benefit and/or raise our Fed Tax to cover their criminal behaviour?

The reason Bush's plan was so unpopular is because 1) It'll wipe out the slush fund the "criminals" have been accustomed to paying for their pet projects. 2) The criminals use scare tactics mainly aimed at the elderly telling them that their benefit will be cut here and now, which isn't true.

The true suckage, is that my generation, and the ones that follow, are going to get hosed. We're going to pay more, and receive less. They've already raised the age of eligibility. I can't collect full benefit until age 67? I'm forced to pay my entire life, then they tell me when I can collect my money? I get a 2% return, then they tax me 8-12%? What kind of lunacy is that?

This isn't a partisan issue, this is our money, that they're stealing, and then playing it off as if nothing is amiss.

I don't mind paying in the money, which will help cover those who didn't or aren't going to plan for their future, but at least give me/us a fair shake. Is that so unreasonable?

I don't have enough knowledge on this topic to be able to argue specifics. I agree that something needs to be done. I have been paying Social Security taxes since I was 16 years old. While I am planning my retirement without relying on that money, I believe I am due what I have been paying for for the last 20 years. Regardless, what Bush wanted to do was not going to fix the problem. For him, there was only one option--agree with me or go to hell. The man never listens to anyone. A uniter? OMG, this president has been the worst divider I have ever personally witnessed.


First of all, Libby had a conversation with his boss (Cheney) about Plame.They both have security clearance.No crime. What's in question, is who outed Plame. Word has it, she is well known in D.C. as an "operative".
The fact that this story or non-story has been buried suggests that there's no wrong doing.We'll see.

He is charged with lying under oath, GottaHurt. I agree that a discussion between Cheney and Libby is lawful. Based on my reading of the statute involved, I do not believe that it was violated because Plame does not appear to meet the criteria of being "covert." Her status at the CIA was classified.

You can tell me until you're blue in the face that it was well known in DC that she was an operative for the CIA. Sorry, I'm not buying it. The FBI went to her neighbors's houses and NOT ONE OF THEM knew she worked for CIA. Her next-door neighbors have been friends with them for over 5 years and they were stunned.

Anyway, I see that you are failing to acknowledge that Libby is charged with lying under oath. You can continue to defend him and say that there was no crime (lying under oath is a crime) and that there's no wrongdoing. That will be up to the jury to decide. I am according NO WEIGHT to anything you have to say on this subject. I am not saying that he is guilty, but your attempts to say he is innocent without acknowledging that there is evidence against him ring hollow to me. But I must remind myself that if this was Clinton in office and the VP's Chief of Staff was in deep doo doo, I might make a case saying that he was innocent too (although I think I am far more realistic than you are).


Delay, he's been charged for a crime that occured before the law was passed, making it a crime!?! The fact that it took 3 grand juries to get an indictment is the real story.

Hmmm, that's why a federal judge chose to keep the charges on conspiracy--you know, because the crime that was allegedly committed occurred after the law was passed. Sorry, GottaHurt, but I highly doubt you are a federal judge and have seen all the evidnece and have a full understanding of the legalities involved in this case, so I won't be giving anything you say on this subject any probative value. I am not saying that DeLay is guilty, although in my heart, I believe he has committed some wrongdoing. But I am willing to wait to see what the jury decides in this case.


Clinton, he was playing grab a$$ with some ho's and denied it under oath. He could have avoided the whole scandal if he would have just admitted it. No one would have cared.I didn't.

I can't believe we actually agree. :shock: Apply this to Libby's testimony. GottaHurt, have you read the indictment? Have you read the transcript from the press conference that Fitzgerald had? If so, you would see the different stories that Libby told while under oath.


I pointed out the State of Florida where I reside, our local and state governments handle the crisis. California they have mudslides, fires and earthquakes, never any sqwauking going on when those natural disasters occur. The Govenor of Louisiana, and the Mayor of New Orleans knew in advance that a cat 4-5 hurricane was approaching.They were ill prepared, and the people of Louisiana payed the price.The burden was on them to evacuate, safeguard and police their state. They had little or no security at their shelters, along with basic necessities such as food, water and toilet facilities as well.

It's not the President of the United States' job, to make sure the Superdome has porta-potties!

FEMA is a check writing agency, plain and simple, they have no emergency equipment.They work with local and state officials, writing checks for goods and services after disaster strikes.They wrote me a check for temporary roof repairs until my insurance company awarded me my claim.
Why they were made the scapegoat is beyond me.

I agree with this to some extent. It appears that the Mayor and the Governor were not fully prepared and that they should take some blame. Sorry, but Michael Brown deserved some blame. He claimed NOT to know about the people in the Superdome, when e-mails showed he knew about them. Have you read the e-mail exchanges he was having with others while people drowned in New Orleans? I'm glad his flabby a$$ was removed, as it should have been. The man didn't know what the hell he was doing.


Then you might want to dig through these very forums a little bit more.There's several individuals here who are always touting how far superior France is in terms of taking care of their people, again, a little tongue in cheek jab at those individuals.

I am not one of them, and I don't care what others say about France. Therefore, your excuse for using France as a model of how we are better than France means nothing to me.
 
Caine said:
My responce to Bush's 9PM Speech last night.

HEY MR. PRESIDENT WILL YOU JUST SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!!!!

Caine, I didn't even listen to it because I am so sick and tired of his horse$hit.

I may have to start a new thread telling Condoleezza Rice to shut the fukk up! She was on the Meet the Press yesterday and in her attempt to explain why the president didn't need the courts to spy on people was pathetic. All she could do was talk about September 11th and that if we didn't spy, thousands could die. I despise her, and I love that she was in the hot seat with Tim Russert. She could not cite a law that gave the president authority to commit such acts.
 
aps said:
Caine, I didn't even listen to it because I am so sick and tired of his horse$hit.
Yeah, it was is same old tired worn out speech that ive heard about a hundred times now.. nothing new.

aps said:
I may have to start a new thread telling Condoleezza Rice to shut the fukk up! She was on the Meet the Press yesterday and in her attempt to explain why the president didn't need the courts to spy on people was pathetic. All she could do was talk about September 11th and that if we didn't spy, thousands could die. I despise her, and I love that she was in the hot seat with Tim Russert. She could not cite a law that gave the president authority to commit such acts.
LOL... Its not secret that women is a dumb bitch.
 
Caine said:
Yeah, it was is same old tired worn out speech that ive heard about a hundred times now.. nothing new.

The unfortunate thing is that Americans are so easy to manipulate that saying the same thing over and over again will make them start to make the same arguments. :roll:


LOL... Its not secret that women is a dumb bitch.

I know I should be ashamed of myself, but will you tell Condi that she desperately needs braces? I hate the way her lips move when she talks because her buck teeth get in the way. I know....I know...it's superficial of me, but I cannot help it! She could be attractive if her front teeth didn't stick out so much, but with those buck teeth, she is butt ugly. I could hardly stand to look at her make a fool of herself on Meet the Press.
 
aps said:
The unfortunate thing is that Americans are so easy to manipulate that saying the same thing over and over again will make them start to make the same arguments. :roll:

The message is pretty clear cut but unfortunately, many don't seem to get it: victory or defeat. A free Middle Eastern nation, unprescedented in the Arab world or an oil rich country handed to al Qaeda on a silver platter, destroying everything we've worked for and our soldiers have died for. Yet still, people would rather withdrawl.




aps said:
I know I should be ashamed of myself, but will you tell Condi that she desperately needs braces? I hate the way her lips move when she talks because her buck teeth get in the way. I know....I know...it's superficial of me, but I cannot help it! She could be attractive if her front teeth didn't stick out so much, but with those buck teeth, she is butt ugly. I could hardly stand to look at her make a fool of herself on Meet the Press.

Yes, VERY superficial of you. Perhaps you could criticize her policies rather than her physical appearance. :roll:
 
The Real McCoy said:
Yes, VERY superficial of you. Perhaps you could criticize her policies rather than her physical appearance. :roll:

You mean, not being able to defend Bush's secret surveillance program?
 
The Real McCoy said:
Exactly...

Oh, then you must not have read my prior post in this thread, where I addressed that very issue. :roll:
 
aps said:
Oh, then you must not have read my prior post in this thread, where I addressed that very issue. :roll:

I didn't... I don't always go through all previous posts in a thread. Usually I just calls em as I sees em and move on.
 
The Real McCoy said:
I didn't... I don't always go through all previous posts in a thread. Usually I just calls em as I sees em and move on.

See, that's why you should adopt my method.....30 posts or less, you read 'em all....or as much of each post as you can stand (sometimes those long winded ones get repetitive).....

More than that, and THAT'S when you start the skimming :mrgreen:
 
Caine said:
You mean, not being able to defend Bush's secret surveillance program?

Bush's??

I thought Echelon was clintons baby?
 
Calm2Chaos said:
Bush's??

I thought Echelon was clintons baby?

lol... anytime something controversial about Bush comes up.... what is the defense?

CLINTON !! CLINTON!!!

Until you can show me a credible source otherwise, Clinton didn't get caught abusing the system by authorizing it without warrants.
 
Caine said:
lol... anytime something controversial about Bush comes up.... what is the defense?

CLINTON !! CLINTON!!!

Until you can show me a credible source otherwise, Clinton didn't get caught abusing the system by authorizing it without warrants.

Caine, soon after the November 2004 elections, Tom Toles (Who does cartoons) did a cartoon where he showed Bush and Rove looking at a table. On the table was an architectural model of the Supreme Court, the White House, and Congress. Bush asks Rove, "Who can we blame now?" Rove replies, "We will always have Clinton."

:lol:
 
aps said:
Caine, soon after the November 2004 elections, Tom Toles (Who does cartoons) did a cartoon where he showed Bush and Rove looking at a table. On the table was an architectural model of the Supreme Court, the White House, and Congress. Bush asks Rove, "Who can we blame now?" Rove replies, "We will always have Clinton."

:lol:

Yeah..... I many dumb ****ers on this site always refer back to Clinton.
Even if we are discussing something that has NOTHING to do with the past, or partisan politics at all.
 
The Real McCoy said:
Liberals bring Clinton up as much as conservatives do.

Not on this site....
Obviously, You haven't been paying attention....

M14.... Navy Pride.....
Every 10th post, sometimes more often, is a hit on Clinton.

umm.... Trajan is about every 30 posts....
 
Caine said:
Not on this site....
Obviously, You haven't been paying attention....

M14.... Navy Pride.....
Every 10th post, sometimes more often, is a hit on Clinton.

umm.... Trajan is about every 30 posts....

I've lost count of the number of liberals on this site who attribute the economic boom of the 90s to Clinton.
 
The Real McCoy said:
I've lost count of the number of liberals on this site who attribute the economic boom of the 90s to Clinton.

Oh, well in that case, it's relevant to bring up Clinton. ;)
 
aps said:
Oh, well in that case, it's relevant to bring up Clinton. ;)

Not when he had very little to do with the economy. I'll admit that I admire Clinton for his fiscal responsibility and restrained budget spending but it bugs me when people claim the economic success of the 90s was because of Clinton.
 
The Real McCoy said:
Not when he had very little to do with the economy. I'll admit that I admire Clinton for his fiscal responsibility and restrained budget spending but it bugs me when people claim the economic success of the 90s was because of Clinton.

It bugs me when people won't give credit where credit is due. When it suits their argument, they blame what happens during a presidency on the president in power at that time. When it suits their argument also, they say that the previous president is resposible for good times the next one has. People blame Carter, not Nixon or Ford for the bad times in the late 70's. Reagan fixed it in your minds, not Carter. But Clinton wasn't responsible for success, it was Reagan /Bush. Can you say cognitive dissonance?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
It bugs me when people won't give credit where credit is due. When it suits their argument, they blame what happens during a presidency on the president in power at that time. When it suits their argument also, they say that the previous president is resposible for good times the next one has. People blame Carter, not Nixon or Ford for the bad times in the late 70's. Reagan fixed it in your minds, not Carter. But Clinton wasn't responsible for success, it was Reagan /Bush. Can you say cognitive dissonance?

/Retarded Conservative Mode/

The Federal Budget Surplus during the Clinton Administration was the Result of the Economic policy of Reagon and Bush 1, but the current deficit under Bush 2 is the result of Clinton's failed Economic policy.

/Retarded Conservative Mode/
 
Caine said:
/Retarded Conservative Mode/

The Federal Budget Surplus during the Clinton Administration was the Result of the Economic policy of Reagon and Bush 1, but the current deficit under Bush 2 is the result of Clinton's failed Economic policy.

/Retarded Conservative Mode/

Exactly!!!:rofl So using that logic Carter wasn't to blame for the poor economy. What say you, conservatives?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Exactly!!!:rofl So using that logic Carter wasn't to blame for the poor economy. What say you, conservatives?

Presidents usually get way too much credit or blame for their respecting economies... and this an illusion in minds on both sides of the aisle. Many blamed Hoover for the Great Depression but in fact, he had very little to do with it. The guy in the oval office always seems to become a scapegoat.
 
Caine said:
lol... anytime something controversial about Bush comes up.... what is the defense?

CLINTON !! CLINTON!!!

Until you can show me a credible source otherwise, Clinton didn't get caught abusing the system by authorizing it without warrants.

SORRY... I just thought Clinton spying on the US people and well pretty much everybody else might be relevant. It's funny how this is being reported as something new when it's been going on for a lot longer the just Bush. But under your buddy slick willy lets not talk about it.....VERY VERY Typical....
 
Calm2Chaos said:
SORRY... I just thought Clinton spying on the US people and well pretty much everybody else might be relevant. It's funny how this is being reported as something new when it's been going on for a lot longer the just Bush. But under your buddy slick willy lets not talk about it.....VERY VERY Typical....

Ummm... are you ****ing stupid?

CLINTON - NO EVIDENCE OF UNWARRANTED SPYING

BUSH - ADMITTED TO NON WARRANTED SPYING, AND AVOIDED THE QUESTIONS ON THE ISSUE.

CLINTON - NO EVIDENCE OF UNWARRANTED SPYING

BUSH - ADMITTED TO NON WARRANTED SPYING, AND AVOIDED THE QUESTIONS ON THE ISSUE.

CLINTON - NO EVIDENCE OF UNWARRANTED SPYING

BUSH - ADMITTED TO NON WARRANTED SPYING, AND AVOIDED THE QUESTIONS ON THE ISSUE.



WHAT THE **** DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Do I need to beat it into you with my size 11 combat boot?
 
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