this is absolutely true, I do not have bumper stickers that I would prefer to have on my vehicle because of the reactions from conservative southerners I would get, some of which could be detrimental to my livelihood (as had happened to a friend of mine)
1.)The same standards Eich was held to, Obama nor Hillary could be the CEO to Mozilla either because of their stance on gay marriage 4 years ago. What this does is show the hypocritical double standards of the left under flood lights for all to see.
I love that free speech bothers people only when they dont agree with it
and the question a couple people keep running from because nobody can answer it
what is the solution?
very telling nobody showed any integrity and answered that, they only want free speech to be in place when it suits them
west boro has free speech just like us all, you may not like it but its the only way it works[/QUOTE
Certainly-- Eich donated $1000 against gay marriage six years ago. He has the freedom to do so.
That is it. There is no workplace issue here.
There are employees who dissagreed with him. Ok fine. Keep it out of the workplace-- as did Eich.
Problem solved. Free speech preserved fro everyone
Except that those who did not agree with Eich did not do so. They sougt to drive him out
That isn't exercising their free speech.
1.) well then you should be fine with this because nobody acted against the rights of others
2.) meanignless to the topic but that nice that you support equal rights
3.) i only referred to it the last 3-4 posts lol
and all you should have heard is laughing but that further explains why your posts are failing. The debate you are having in your head and anything i am actually saying is different.
go back a couple posts youll find them
The same standards Eich was held to, Obama nor Hillary could be the CEO to Mozilla either because of their stance on gay marriage 4 years ago. What this does is show the hypocritical double standards of the left under flood lights for all to see.
no complaint lol please stop making stuff up it donest help your failed arguments
im fine with him using his free speech just like i am with others using thier also, thats the fact you leave out
some only one the CEO to have free speech and nobody else, not me
your post fails again and facts win again
hopefully you caught up to the curve now
The divisive rhetoric is alive and well, and apparently working! We don't all have to agree on everything all the time, which would make us robots, but those making a judgment on a person's ability to earn a living based on a bumper sticker is :bs: ! "If you don't agree with me, you won't work for me?" Is it really that bad out there?
Greetings, Tacomancer. :2wave:
Do they? That must have been your experience but I've never heard of that from anyone I know.
A man quietly donating to a cause he believed in versus two Democrat politicians who went on the record publically claiming DOMA was a good thing (Hillary) and Obama and Hillary both defining marriage between a man and a woman to the public is somehow dismissed by you as nothing???? Yeah right. The truth be told what Obama and Hillary did should be deemed by the left as far worse but somehow they get a pass and a 4 f-ing year old donation done in private trumps that. Absolutely asinine to the umpteenth degree and so disingenuous that is beyond the pale.wrong since one donated and others didnt. THose would in FACT be different standards.
thanks for proving me right and your post factually wrong . . . AGAIN
1.)Certainly-- Eich donated $1000 against gay marriage six years ago. He has the freedom to do so.
2.)That is it. There is no workplace issue here.
3.)There are employees who dissagreed with him. Ok fine. Keep it out of the workplace-- as did Eich.
4.) Problem solved. Free speech preserved fro everyone
5.) Except that those who did not agree with Eich did not do so. They sougt to drive him out
6.) That isn't exercising their free speech.
You seem very interested in my view of your "stance." Sorry, but I have not been able to make out your stance except for your defense of free speech. To that the only possible response is: so what? Everyone is in favor of free speech. And no one on any side did anything illegal. The issue is decency. A man took private action to support a cause in which he believed and as a result was hounded out of his livelihood. I agree with Andrew Sullivan. Those who did this are no better than the old gay bashers of the religious right.eace
1.)Of course the supporters of gay marriage have free speech. As does Eich.
2.)However, Eich did not bring his opinion on the subject into the workplace.
3.) The opponents did. And they sought to shut him up.
4.) Sorry-- that is not free speech.
No I am not but Obviously there were enough of them to force the man out through a concerted effort over a four year old f-ing contribution. That was their goalYou're basically claiming the entire "left" wanted Eich fired, which is yet another partisan lie.
No I am not but Obviously there were enough of them to force the man out through a concerted effort over a four year old f-ing contribution. That was their goal
Well do tell what would you call it?He wasn't "forced out."
BOOM!
and there you have it and this is why your posts failed so quickly. You were trying to argue things that i never said and you just admitted you dont even know my stance. thanks for proving me right
you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but thats the real thing that doesnt matter.
nothing illegal happened and everybody practiced their rights
west boro isnt decent IMO but i would NEVER infringe on their rights
It can be, the last facility hr manager was a kingdom builder and that's how she ran things through her politicking. (the actual facility manager was pretty much holed up in his office 24/7 and had no idea what was going on)
This isn't normal, but I took a lesson in being a professional because of it and am intentionally a bit vanilla at work due to watching that and some other incidents, plus my general work ethic.
However, the actions at work wasn't my point. My point is that this is simply the way the world works despite some people's wish that free speech only be used a certain way. The truth is that any freedom is a double edged sword and if its one thing we know from politics, its that if its possible and legal (or even if it isn't but can be gotten away with) its going to happen.
Hi Polgara.
True that! When I have workers come to my house to fix something, I don't care how they vote! These days, it's probably smarter to keep your thoughts to yourself anyway! Whoever said "Never discuss religion, politics or sex" was right on! Well, except for DP! That's 99 percent of what we discuss here! A healthy outlet just for us! :lamo:
1.)Hmm. I have no idea who or what is "west boro" but it's important to you.
2.)Why in the world would I be interested in your "stance?'
3.) I was not aware there was a right or wrong in this discussion.
4.) This issue has always been about decency, not rights.
5.) You may not have understood that.eace
Well do tell what would you call it?
1.) another illogical assumption, nope not important to me just an example of how free speech works for everyone. THey are a hate group.
2.) so when you try to debate my stance your posts dont instantly fail, get destroyed and make no sense like they did.
3.) depends on which part you want to talk about
4.) wrong lol many people including YOU Mentioned rights
5.) yes i understand your back pedal fine and my statement stands "you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but it doesnt matter to rights"
1.)It was never my intention to "debate" your "stance." Why would that interest me?
2.) If I mentioned rights in this discussion I'd appreciate it if you would cite that post.eace
1.) 100% correct he does have that right
2.) this is just your opinion and not fact
3.) translation: disallow them free speech
4.) 100% false you want to infringe on the employees free speech YOU JUST SAID SO ABOVE lol
5.) yes employees and customers practiced their free speech, a right they have that you want to take away
6.) 100% false
Really?After an all out attack as being described as a bigot and "filled with hatred" because he believes that marriage is a union of a man and a woman? He tried to hang on when the controversy hit. He said, "Look, my personal political views have nothing to do with the way I plan on running Mozilla." But the real bigots didn't see that as enough, they pushed him out. And for the record Eich was the one that invented the Java Script, something all of us rely on that use the Internet. And if they can do this to him, then who will be next? I'm sure as soon as California finishes publishing all the donors to Prop 8, anyone else they can make an example out of by painting them bigots and homaphobs will be next to fall under the current fascist way of things.He resigned. Since he hasn't said why, insisting he was "forced out" (de facto firing) by the board is pure supposition.
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