George_Washington said:
Yeah, the typical line, "I was doing this before you were born so therefore I know more about it than you do." A person's age doesn't mean they are automatically more knowledgeable about a subject. I get that all the time from older people who I debate with and usually it's because they feel threatened by a smart and youthful person challenging their fragile egos. I recall you made the assertion that fashion designers were not artists, which would fly in the face of virtually every art school in the world. Art changes, Media. Rembrandt and all those painters were good for their time but that doesn't mean they all sit on some kind of a pedestal that can never be moved. Art comes in many different forms from writing to painting, to architecture.
I recall making the claim that fashion
design was not as relevant an art form as the fine arts. You think that flies into the face of what is thought at art schools? Really now? Have you ever been to art school? Are you an artist? Anyone who has even a passing knowledge of art knows that they are entirely different forms. My daughter was attending art school and you know what the head of the art department said to her while thumbing through her portfolio?
"The design dept. is going to want to steal you away from us." Complete with eye roll.
And yes Rembrandt, Van Gogh, Vermeer, Hopper, Klimt, Goya, Manet, Michelangelo, Rodin....these artists
are on a pedestal. And they will tower above the accomplishments of design for the ages. I don't seek to lessen the significance of good design and those who devote their lives to it. You, on the other hand, for whatever reason - your immaturity, your lack of vision, imagination, your total immersion in popular culture - choose to lessen the significance of artists, living and dead, who have devoted their lives to a higher calling. Yeah, I take exception to that. And so would most artists.
And anyhow, considering your infatuation with monetary value, surely you would think that a painting that sells for $3m is far more worthy as a piece of art than a vintage Chanel dress that sells for a measly $100k. :roll:
And no it is not my age, it is my knowledge that makes me more knowledgeable than you.
Ludicrious? Do you not realize that Hell's Angelsand Scarface were created and produced by Howard Hughes? Howard Hughes made some of the greatest contributions to film in the American history of the subject. I'm sorry Media but Hughes is widely regarded as a great filmmaker by virtually everyone in the industry, including Martin Scorcesse, the director that you claim to admire so much. Howard Hughes was a temendously creative individual who was talented at not just filmmaking but also business, aviation, and electronics.
I love how people you are "into" all of a sudden become the best at whatever it is that they do. Howard Hughes was a megalomaniac who decided to buy his way into Hollywood and he made some films. Some good, some awful. Notice you didn't mention
The Outlaw. Have you seen
Hell's Angels and
Scarface? I have. Yes, of the thousands of filmmakers who have worked in Hollywood, it is
ludicrous to say that Howard Hughes was one of the best. "One" being of completely relative significance, though.
You had said:
"If there were ANY conservatives with such skills I would recognize them, too. But there doesn't seem to be that kind of talent on the right. Go figure."
That is such a narrow minded view and really quite immature for somebody who claims a superior level of maturity and such a greater knowledge of film. I was trying to point out you that there have always been talented people in Hollywood with conservative political views. Someone's views on politics doesn't have to be the, "driving force" to what they do for a living. That is the point I was trying to make to you. And really, I wouldn't say Moore is really a true documentary maker. His stuff is grossly biased, distorted, embellished, etc. You can't compare the stuff he makes with stuff say, from the BBC. But look Media, I don't want to argue with you anymore. I just wish you would give Republicans more of a chance but I realize you just don't like us and at your age you'll probably never change. I bet you never even watched Larry Elder's documentary that I had mentioned to you. Uh huh. At least I can say that I watched Moore's documentaries before making up my mind.
The comment I made about conservatives was tongue-in-cheek. You are the one who decided to jump on that and make a federal case about it. I never said that politics have to be a driving force in someone's career. Sorry your poor sensibilities have to get so bent out of shape by one little comment. I get liberal claptrap thrown at me everyday around here, but do you see me breaking down about it? Maybe you are the one with the thin skin and the fragile ego. Conservatives in the film industry are a minority. Extraordinarily talented ones even more so. It is a fact.
Moore is a true documentary filmmaker, all documentarians come to work with a point of view and a foregone conclusion. It is about form, not content.
