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Mother of alleged Kenosha shooter gets standing ovation at GOP event

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Shooting people is not saving lives.
He had no business being there with a weapon. No one hired him to be a mercenary.
Shooting people who are intent upon killing you IS saving lives. But he didn't go there to shoot people.

And yes...he DID need a weapon, as it turns out. He would be dead if he didn't have it.

btw, do you think the guy who pulled a gun on Rittenhouse had any business being there with a weapon? Did someone hire HIM to be a mercenary?

Seriously, dude...think about what you say BEFORE you say it, eh?
 

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He was illegally resisting lawful arrest and thus it necessitated his restraint. You ignore people on Fentanyl actually can be violent and irrational. As Floyd was, Floyd also had used methamphetamine.

And it’s not a matter of debate. You can tell me the sun supposedly comes up in the west, likewise you can argue the idea that Floyd died of the restraint. That is simply factually wrong. We have the medical examiners report and emails clearing showing the doctors felt it was an overdose.

If Floyd didn’t want the knee he could have not used drugs and also gotten in the car when ordered to.

I’m not interested in your silly deflections but it’s not suprising a liberal thinks it’s appropriate to send a chick to deal with a drug addled career criminal who was know to be violent
Someone who is dying of a fentanyl overdose does not need restraint. Period. Either those cops are guilty of gross overreaction resulting in a death or the overdose angle is bullshit. People who work on Vancouver's downtown east side are routinely supplied with Naloxone kits, ordinary people, and that's because fentanyl does not make anyone dangerous. Especially someone overdosing. If Floyd was overdosing those cops were grossly incompetent. EMT's routinely deal with several overdoses a night, unarmed and untrained in self-defense. Many of them are physically small people. Your boys in blue showed themselves very publically to be cowards.
And I'm not surprised to hear a radical rightist say that using drugs means you deserve whatever happens. The right will always, always support authority. Support power figures.
 

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Someone who is dying of a fentanyl overdose does not need restraint. Period. Either those cops are guilty of gross overreaction resulting in a death or the overdose angle is bullshit. People who work on Vancouver's downtown east side are routinely supplied with Naloxone kits, ordinary people, and that's because fentanyl does not make anyone dangerous. Especially someone overdosing. If Floyd was overdosing those cops were grossly incompetent. EMT's routinely deal with several overdoses a night, unarmed and untrained in self-defense. Many of them are physically small people. Your boys in blue showed themselves very publically to be cowards.
And I'm not surprised to hear a radical rightist say that using drugs means you deserve whatever happens. The right will always, always support authority. Support power figures.
Blah blah blah

This is baseless sophistry
 

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Blah blah blah

This is baseless sophistry
Yeah right. Go ahead, tell me that someone who is dying of an opioid overdose is such a danger he needs to be restrained by three cops. Opiod overdose turns you into a super-human killing machine.
Know what an opioid user needs before he uses? He needs a safe place to nod. Know what that means?
But it doesn't matter. It's your country, do with it what you will.
 

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Yeah right. Go ahead, tell me that someone who is dying of an opioid overdose is such a danger he needs to be restrained by three cops. Opiod overdose turns you into a super-human killing machine.
If the restraint didn’t kill him then that is irrelevant, even if it did it doesn’t mean the officers did anything wrong. He wasn’t dead or passed out from OD, he was violently resisting officers, this is a fact, and he died of a fent overdose, this is a fact. Your writing about how Fentanyl ODs are supposed to act is irrelevant to this case.

Know what an opioid user needs before he uses?
Jesus?
He needs a safe place to nod.
no he needs to stop using
Know what that means?
jail?
But it doesn't matter. It's your country, do with it what you will.
Ok Jan
 

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Shooting people who are intent upon killing you IS saving lives. But he didn't go there to shoot people.

And yes...he DID need a weapon, as it turns out. He would be dead if he didn't have it.

btw, do you think the guy who pulled a gun on Rittenhouse had any business being there with a weapon? Did someone hire HIM to be a mercenary?

Seriously, dude...think about what you say BEFORE you say it, eh?
No one was intent on killing him.

A skateboard isn't a deadly weapon.

And no one shot at the Kenosha killer.

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The reporter told police Rosenbaum tried to grab Rittenhouse's gun. Rittenhouse pulled the rifle away, then raised it, and as the two came together, Rittenhouse fired a second time.

But post your link supporting the Kenosha killer was fired upon.
 

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No one was intent on killing him.

A skateboard isn't a deadly weapon.

And no one shot at the Kenosha killer.

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The reporter told police Rosenbaum tried to grab Rittenhouse's gun. Rittenhouse pulled the rifle away, then raised it, and as the two came together, Rittenhouse fired a second time.

But post your link supporting the Kenosha killer was fired upon.
A man in the crowd with Rosenbaum fires a pistol at the time Rosenbaum attacked, but that’s a side issue, Rosenbaum was armed with Kyles AR because he grabbed it
 

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A man in the crowd with Rosenbaum fires a pistol at the time Rosenbaum attacked, but that’s a side issue, Rosenbaum was armed with Kyles AR because he grabbed it
Impossible or the Kenosha killer couldn't shoot anyone. Sheesh.
 

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Impossible or the Kenosha killer couldn't shoot anyone. Sheesh.
You can see in the second shooting events Anthony Huber literally pulling on the barrel of the gun when it is discharged. Anthony Huber was in possession of Kyle's gun at that time.
 

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No one was intent on killing him.

A skateboard isn't a deadly weapon.
Really?

Man dies after being hit in head with skateboard during fight in Santa Ana Starbucks https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/

Man dies after being hit in head with skateboard https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20020413&slug=skateboard13m


Bolder man accused of assault with a skateboard https://www.dailycamera.com/2020/06/09/boulder-man-accused-of-assault-with-a-skateboard/

And no one shot at the Kenosha killer.
Are you sure?

Right after Rittenhouse gets up after shooting the last "victim" in the arm, several shots are heard...causing him to turn and run again.


Go to 8:11 in this video. You hear SEVERAL shots fired as Rittenhouse gets up and tries to leave.
 
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Impossible or the Kenosha killer couldn't shoot anyone. Sheesh.
No, not, if you attempt to grab someone’s gun you are expressing the belief you can disarm them of the weapon and then use it against them. Gun grabs justify deadly force
 

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The mother of Kyle Rittenhouse, an Illinois teenager charged with fatally shooting two people and injuring a third in August during Black Lives Matter protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, received a standing ovation at a Wisconsin GOP event on Thursday.

Rittenhouse, 17, is being charged as an adult for six counts, including two of first degree murder, for allegedly shooting Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum with a semi-automatic, military-style rifle. He has become a cause célèbre among conservatives, and has attracted millions to his legal defence as he fights extradition to Wisconsin.


I don't know what else to say expect there is a major sickness in America. This is very tragic. There are Christian funds raising millions for Rittenhouse. Right wingers have attacked George Floyd and his past, but they have elevated this kid to hero status. Something is very wrong. :(
Typical, guilty without looking at the evidence.
Haven’t you learned yet? didn’t the outcome of the Taylor grand jury teach you anything?
There is video of the shootings. He will not be charged with murder. Maybe reckless endangerment, maybe.
 

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Typical, guilty without looking at the evidence.
Haven’t you learned yet? didn’t the outcome of the Taylor grand jury teach you anything?
There is video of the shootings. He will not be charged with murder. Maybe reckless endangerment, maybe.
He's already been charged with 2 counts of intentional first degree homicide, among other things. Of course the only thing it appears he was guilty of he hasn't been charged with, which is violating curfew.
 

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Really?

Man dies after being hit in head with skateboard during fight in Santa Ana Starbucks https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/

Man dies after being hit in head with skateboard https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20020413&slug=skateboard13m


Bolder man accused of assault with a skateboard https://www.dailycamera.com/2020/06/09/boulder-man-accused-of-assault-with-a-skateboard/



Are you sure?

Right after Rittenhouse gets up after shooting the last "victim" in the arm, several shots are heard...causing him to turn and run again.


Go to 8:11 in this video. You hear SEVERAL shots fired as Rittenhouse gets up and tries to leave.
Pretty sure.

You just said after the last victim was shot, meaning the Kenosha killer was already done shooting 3 people. And the he heard more shots?
 

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You can see in the second shooting events Anthony Huber literally pulling on the barrel of the gun when it is discharged. Anthony Huber was in possession of Kyle's gun at that time.
If he's pulling on the barrel and being shot by the Kensoha killer, the killer still has possession.
 

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If he's pulling on the barrel and being shot by the Kensoha killer, the killer still has possession.
Yes, they both have possession. However, Kyle wasn't the aggressor. He was running away, he fell down after being hit, Huber was the second person to assault Kyle after he was on the ground.
 

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Pretty sure.

You just said after the last victim was shot, meaning the Kenosha killer was already done shooting 3 people. And the he heard more shots?
Apparently you don't follow the facts. Before he shot the first "Victim" there was at least one shot in his area which may have prompted the whole thing.

Then there were other shots which can also be heard during parts of the chase.

Then, the "third victim" had a gun pointed at Rittenhouse.

After THAT we hear several more shots. What did Rittenhouse do?

He didn't open fire "in fear" of those last shots, he turned and fled...like he was trying to do all along even before he ever fired a single shot.
 

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Yes, they both have possession. However, Kyle wasn't the aggressor. He was running away, he fell down after being hit, Huber was the second person to assault Kyle after he was on the ground.
After he shot someone.
 

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Apparently you don't follow the facts. Before he shot the first "Victim" there was at least one shot in his area which may have prompted the whole thing.

Then there were other shots which can also be heard during parts of the chase.

Then, the "third victim" had a gun pointed at Rittenhouse.

After THAT we hear several more shots. What did Rittenhouse do?

He didn't open fire "in fear" of those last shots, he turned and fled...like he was trying to do all along even before he ever fired a single shot.
Not from videos and stories I read.
He shot 1st. Sure he heard other shots, not at him. The Kenosha killer freaked and started shooting then others came to stop him. But he had already shot 1 who was on his way to the hospital and died.
 

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Not from videos and stories I read.
He shot 1st. Sure he heard other shots, not at him. The Kenosha killer freaked and started shooting then others came to stop him. But he had already shot 1 who was on his way to the hospital and died.
No the video clearly shows a gun being fired in the area of Rittenhouse right behind Rosenbaum during the initial attack. You are a political leftist trying to implement The Beria philosophy of show the man and I’ll show the crime.
 

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The mother of Kyle Rittenhouse, an Illinois teenager charged with fatally shooting two people and injuring a third in August during Black Lives Matter protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, received a standing ovation at a Wisconsin GOP event on Thursday.

Rittenhouse, 17, is being charged as an adult for six counts, including two of first degree murder, for allegedly shooting Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum with a semi-automatic, military-style rifle. He has become a cause célèbre among conservatives, and has attracted millions to his legal defence as he fights extradition to Wisconsin.


I don't know what else to say expect there is a major sickness in America. This is very tragic. There are Christian funds raising millions for Rittenhouse. Right wingers have attacked George Floyd and his past, but they have elevated this kid to hero status. Something is very wrong. :(
Well it seems he was defending himself. At least from what we understand about the incident. And if this is the case and he's being tried for some sort of crime other than illegal position of a firearm he needs people backing him up.

Malicious prosecution is a threat to everyone's liberty and frankly their life. If you can't defend yourself with lethal Force without being prosecuted then in the case where you have to you might hesitate that might cost you your life.

Anybody cheering on his prosecution without knowing the totality of the circumstances is anti-justice. you should at least want to figure out it's just automatically guilty in your eyes then why not just hold witchcraft trials?

George Floyd didn't die cuz there was a neon his neck. If he did there would be signs of asphyxiation. The theory was he was swallowing four or five times the lethal dose of fentanyl to destroy the evidence. And he died from complications of that I'm not sure. I doubt the police officer involved will be found guilty of murder
 

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The term "rush to judgment" isn't even accurate. The information contained in the charging document was sufficient in itself to conclude self-defense. This is a straightforward malicious prosecution.
It's not about accuracy. It's about teams. It was about accuracy we would wait and hear the testimony. Team blm lost two people so no other murder matters.

They judge everybody that's not in the blm movement to be enemies. That is why it is an extremist movement. The idea that you are with us or you're against us is an extremist position. They are terrorists and terrorist sympathisers.
 

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Not from videos and stories I read.
He shot 1st. Sure he heard other shots, not at him. The Kenosha killer freaked and started shooting then others came to stop him. But he had already shot 1 who was on his way to the hospital and died.
If that is your take-away, then IMO you did not view the video evidence.

I did. It is clear that the first person Rittenhouse shot, Rosenbaum, was an active aggressor right up to the point he was shot. In fact, Rosenbaum had started his aggressive actions earlier in the day, and continued right up until his final attack on Rittenhouse.

That before he was shot, there was a gunshot behind him toward where he and Rittenhouse were about to grapple shown by a flash, and a bang as it went off in video evidence. I am waiting to find out if all the shots that hit Rosenbaum were a ballistic match to the gun Rittenhouse was using.

In any case, video evidence then shows Rittenhouse is seen attempting to render aid to Rosenbaum, but was ordered away by another person. That's when we see Rittenhouse calling about the incident. It's also when we hear people crying to "get him" which starts his attempt to run and seek police.

We know this is true because he SAYS so to a videographer who followed him.

He is shortly struck in the back of the head by someone using a rock.

He continues running till he trips and then the second series of attacks leading to his self-defense continues.

Then as I pointed out in the video, there are several shots and he does not return fire, he simply turns and keeps running.

The rest is history.

NONE of that matches your false narrative.
 

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If that is your take-away, then IMO you did not view the video evidence.

I did. It is clear that the first person Rittenhouse shot, Rosenbaum, was an active aggressor right up to the point he was shot. In fact, Rosenbaum had started his aggressive actions earlier in the day, and continued right up until his final attack on Rittenhouse.

That before he was shot, there was a gunshot behind him toward where he and Rittenhouse were about to grapple shown by a flash, and a bang as it went off in video evidence. I am waiting to find out if all the shots that hit Rosenbaum were a ballistic match to the gun Rittenhouse was using.

In any case, video evidence then shows Rittenhouse is seen attempting to render aid to Rosenbaum, but was ordered away by another person. That's when we see Rittenhouse calling about the incident. It's also when we hear people crying to "get him" which starts his attempt to run and seek police.

We know this is true because he SAYS so to a videographer who followed him.

He is shortly struck in the back of the head by someone using a rock.

He continues running till he trips and then the second series of attacks leading to his self-defense continues.

Then as I pointed out in the video, there are several shots and he does not return fire, he simply turns and keeps running.

The rest is history.

NONE of that matches your false narrative.
Wow you know a lot more about this than I do. Can you share the videos?
 

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The mother of Kyle Rittenhouse, an Illinois teenager charged with fatally shooting two people and injuring a third in August during Black Lives Matter protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, received a standing ovation at a Wisconsin GOP event on Thursday.

Rittenhouse, 17, is being charged as an adult for six counts, including two of first degree murder, for allegedly shooting Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum with a semi-automatic, military-style rifle. He has become a cause célèbre among conservatives, and has attracted millions to his legal defence as he fights extradition to Wisconsin.


I don't know what else to say expect there is a major sickness in America. This is very tragic. There are Christian funds raising millions for Rittenhouse. Right wingers have attacked George Floyd and his past, but they have elevated this kid to hero status. Something is very wrong. :(
Not all republicans have elevated Rittenhouse to hero status. We are able to look at a person's acts and determine if they don't add up. The majority of black men shot by white cops are criminals committing crimes, even if the left cannot see it.
 
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