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Abortion is murder regardless of whether contraceptives are used or a couple is married and already has children.
Technically lynching a slave wasn’t murder. Being pedantic is stupid. It’s still homicide even if current law says it’s ‘legal’.
I think you're wrong, since that's the primary purpose of abortions.
"Keep track" implies I do it routinely. (So does "keep a tally".) I did it once for sake of argument in this thread.(eye roll)Not HOW do you keep track? WHY do you keep track
Perhaps catastrophic foetal defects are the one extraordinary pocket of medicine where the average doctor's prognosis is 100% accurate, but I doubt it. Doubly so when there's a distressed mother present, the doctor may not regard the foetus as a human being, and his prognosis could well reflect what he believes will be least distressing for mom.If the deformations are catastrophic the fetus is not viable.
You were talking about cases where the fetus did not have a catastrophic defect.
Perhaps catastrophic foetal defects are the one extraordinary pocket of medicine where the average doctor's prognosis is 100% accurate, but I doubt it. Doubly so when there's a distressed mother present, the doctor may not regard the foetus as a human being, and his prognosis could well reflect what he believes will be least distressing for mom.
The bottom line being that not even the diagnosis of a catastrophic defect morally justifies the operation.
And yes, I know you vehemently disagree.
"Keep track" implies I do it routinely. (So does "keep a tally".) I did it once for sake of argument in this thread.
Perhaps catastrophic foetal defects are the one extraordinary pocket of medicine where the average doctor's prognosis is 100% accurate, but I doubt it. Doubly so when there's a distressed mother present, the doctor may not regard the foetus as a human being, and his prognosis could well reflect what he believes will be least distressing for mom.
The bottom line being that not even the diagnosis of a catastrophic defect morally justifies the operation.
And yes, I know you vehemently disagree.
In 2013, there were four doctors in the country who performed abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy, according to Slate. (Current numbers could be even lower.)...
Dr. Gunter supplied a few facts of her own. Only 1.3 percent of abortions happen at, or after, 21 weeks, she said, and 80 percent of those are the results of catastrophic defects with the fetus.
Dr. Gunter continued with a powerful explanation of why women generally seek out procedures like a late-term abortion.
Sometimes it can take weeks or even longer to fully understand what is going on with the fetus.
Some patients might think they can make it to term and then at 34 weeks cave and ask to be delivered because they just can’t bear one more person asking them about their baby. Do they just smile and walk away or say, 'Well, actually, my baby has no brain and will die at birth?' Some women go to term and others can’t.
To judge these women for requesting an early delivery is cruel on so many levels.
Why post the statement "Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true
about abortion" when the statement "Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense" will do?
Those early induction or c-sections of non-viable unborns are included in state abortion stats of all states that keep track of abortions.
So I SHOULDN'T believe that an entirely healthy pregnancy is an inconveniance to the woman? don't threaten me with a good time!1.) no mater how many times you try to call it an "inconvenience" that doesnt make it true or even a logical claim
2.) there was none, again thats a false narrative you are trying to sell that doesnt
But not all homicide is murder or even illegal. See: self-defense, war, pulling the plug, abortion, etc.
Not legally in the US:
You do understand the title of this thread is "Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion."?
And I disagree with you.
Your opinion is just your own opinion. You do NOT hold the moral high ground especially in cases of Catastrophic fetal defects.
There are only 4 doctors in the United States ( as of 2013 who perform abortions past 20 weeks.
From the following.
Which States Offer Late-Term Abortions? They Are Very Difficult To Access
And yes the early induction of a non= viable fetus ( even in the hospital ) is an abortion.
An early c-section of a non- viable fetus is also an abortion. #TheMoreYouKnow
Those early induction or c-sections of non-viable unborns are included in state abortion stats of all states that keep track of abortions.
The body is the temple of God's Holy Spirit. Only God has the ability to grant life, and only He has the authority to take it away. Abortions are not among the circumstances where He permits man to take human life, excepting those performed to preserve the life of the mother. This is the only true and defensible conclusion we can draw from scripture.I read this as your personal opinion, yes? Did you develop your opinion on your own or does it come from some authority? If so, what authority? I guess I'm asking you, "who says?"
If early induction and c-sections are viable options this means that intentionally poisoning and ripping apart an unborn human is not required.
Why is it still legal?
Wrong. All of those are homicide.
The law is not how facts are determined. The law also says a tomato is a vegetable. Science versus law. One is reality. The other is fiction.
If early induction and c-sections are viable options this means that intentionally poisoning and ripping apart an unborn human is not required.
Why is it still legal?
The body is the temple of God's Holy Spirit. Only God has the ability to grant life, and only He has the authority to take it away. Abortions are not among the circumstances where He permits man to take human life, excepting those performed to preserve the life of the mother. This is the only true and defensible conclusion we can draw from scripture.
Your personal opinion/belief on this issue is not a problem for anyone. Each person is welcome to their own...including women that would disagree with you and choose to have an abortion.
But I am curious, since your opinion is so extreme and not held in common with most (yes, most) people...do you believe that your opinion/belief should be forced on women by law? If so, knowing most people do not concur with you, how would you justify that?
The body is the temple of God's Holy Spirit. Only God has the ability to grant life, and only He has the authority to take it away. Abortions are not among the circumstances where He permits man to take human life, excepting those performed to preserve the life of the mother. This is the only true and defensible conclusion we can draw from scripture.
In saying this, I don't mean to elicit "This is your religion, not mine." counterarguments, "The Bible doesn't say abortion is wrong." counterarguments, or @minnie616's erroneous appeal to "breath of life". Post them if you must, but I assure you I've heard them, analyzed them, pored over them with all diligence, discussed them with the ministry, and rejected them.
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If early induction and c-sections are viable options this means that intentionally poisoning and ripping apart an unborn human is not required.
Why is it still legal?
1.) So I SHOULDN'T believe that an entirely healthy pregnancy is an inconveniance to the woman? don't threaten me with a good time!
That's not what the article says. It's just a matter of it being correlative or causative. I take it, you're against further studies?
I don't see why it's illogical to say "that's a baby forming in the womb, let's be cautious with how we approach it". If you're against abortion regulations so much, then why don't you boycott countries like the UK and Poland?1.) you can believe what ever dishonest illogica stuff you like but honest educated objective people will continue to point out the nonsense it is
You took a single line from the article, and ran with it. That's not my problem, that's yours. I didn't say that it is indeed true that abortions lead to mental illness, in fact, I pointed out an ACTUAL academic criticism of the study myself. You did not. You just deny everything it says, because one line says "there is no FOUNDED connection..." of course there is no founded connection, the study was correlative, not causative. My main concern was that, with abortion, you lose any potential for a healthy life, a productive life that could lead on to leadership even. Just as it is to my dismay that you do not support further studies. Do you not care about women?2.) wrong again like many pointed out what YOU claim the article says and means andd what it actually does are two different things hence why again much to my delight your claims have completely failed
this is going to be fun watching your dishonest posts fail at every turn is great. lolDarkWizard12;10708196241.) said:I don't see why it's illogical to say "that's a baby forming in the womb, let's be cautious with how we approach it". If you're against abortion regulations so much, then why don't you boycott countries like the UK and Poland?
You took a single line from the article, and ran with it. That's not my problem, that's yours. I didn't say that it is indeed true that abortions lead to mental illness, in fact, I pointed out an ACTUAL academic criticism of the study myself. You did not. You just deny everything it says, because one line says "there is no FOUNDED connection..." of course there is no founded connection, the study was correlative, not causative. My main concern was that, with abortion, you lose any potential for a healthy life, a productive life that could lead on to leadership even. Just as it is to my dismay that you do not support further studies. Do you not care about women?
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