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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.
 

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The US has had 5.59 million infections and 174,000 deaths, which is closer to 3%. If hospitals were completely overwhelmed it would've been much higher.

Even at 3%, that'd be almost 10 million dead Americans had we followed the Trump strategy of doing nothing and just letting it infect everyone.

covid deaths - Google Search
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

Without the lockdown, hospitals would have been overwhelmed which would result in a higher mortality rate, and people would have went into lockdown of their own accord anyway, so the economy would still have ended up in the pan, just with a lot more deaths alongside it.
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

Hanging off these numbers with no context and invalid comparisons wins no argument and sways no opinion.

We have a legitimate issue no matter how determined some are to diminish that.
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

The Coronavirus is classified as a Flu-type virus, but is not acting like a Flu-type virus. This particular Coronavirus is also acting differently than previous Coronaviruses.

It's almost as if it is a thoroughbred virus designed to depart from the normal behaviors of Flu-type viruses.

It doesn't seem to fall off in warmer weather as do both the flu and the common cold. It seems to work in concert with almost anything else to make any underlying condition lethal.

Judging ONLY by the souring of the President's rhetoric with regard to China for which he was previously, even a month or two back, very positive, I get the impression that there is something not public that is now understood behind the scenes.

I suppose in the fullness of time, we'll know more.
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

There are people baked in the system that are destined to die. If COVID transmission stopped today, we still would get 1000 deaths tomorrow, and the death numbers would continue to persist for weeks.
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

Do you have a link for that report?
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

Remember many months ago when you said you thought Covid was over.

You know, before 170,000 + Americans died from it?
 

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Thanks. I tried a search and didn't find the story. That second link didn't work for me but I found the story with another search.... Here's an alternate if anyone's interested.
Up to 60 million Americans may have been infected with coronavirus, CDC director says

So it's 30-60 million as a crude estimate, so COVID is 3-6 times as lethal as some of the worst flu epidemics on record.
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

I wonder how much we locked the country down in 1957 and how many mask mandates there were?
 

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The US has had 5.59 million infections and 174,000 deaths, which is closer to 3%. If hospitals were completely overwhelmed it would've been much higher.

Even at 3%, that'd be almost 10 million dead Americans had we followed the Trump strategy of doing nothing and just letting it infect everyone.

covid deaths - Google Search

correct
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections...

whoa!!!



a poster here says that he believes that around 60% of the US has been infected. that would be...

196,920,000
instead of
60,000,000
 

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Thanks. I tried a search and didn't find the story. That second link didn't work for me but I found the story with another search.... Here's an alternate if anyone's interested.
Up to 60 million Americans may have been infected with coronavirus, CDC director says

So it's 30-60 million as a crude estimate, so COVID is 3-6 times as lethal as some of the worst flu epidemics on record.

I think you mean 3-6x the average flu, which is 0.1% mortality. The 1957 flu caused 220,000 adjusted deaths, which puts Covid at 0.8x 1957 flu currently:

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC
 

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Strange democratic governors haven't ordered people to start smoking at least a pack of marlboros a day. Smokers are still underrepresented in the numbers. That has been observed in multiple countries now.
 

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I think you mean 3-6x the average flu, which is 0.1% mortality. The 1957 flu caused 220,000 adjusted deaths, which puts Covid at 0.8x 1957 flu currently:

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

The deaths up until now consist of a large share of the earlier version of the virus - the harder-hitting one in MA, NY, CT and NJ. By the time FL, CA, AZ and TX got it, their death rate was much lower due to virus mutation. Both mutations factor into the 0.296% mortality rate at this point. As time goes on, the mortality rate will decrease as the weaker virus takes up more proportion of infections since the start of the pandemic.
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

Good thing Mr Trump implemented the travel ban when he did or for sure more deaths would have happened. Biden said it was foolish to do so. Fauci as well
 

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Just think if Coumo hadn't given out 5000 death sentences by sending Covid patients back to the nursing home
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

Then what happened in New York and Italy?
 

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170,000 dead, thats about 0.003% of the population, 3 million dead would be less than 1%, this would be bad in itself to a degree but the largest percent of those dying are over 80, seems people here cant see the forest for the trees, but putting this virus in real terms doesnt help get rid of Trump campaign.
 

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Then what happened in New York and Italy?

Those cases were also underreported. There's been antibody testing done on a small scale in NY and MA, which suggests way more infections than reported. April in the northeast US, UK and Spain were dealing with the first form of the virus.

The virus mutated (common knowledge around early July) and did two things: it was more easily spread, and became less deadly. This is why we see twice the infections with half the deaths in FL, AZ, CA and TX.

There are those who will say that 'better treatment' is the cause of such a drastic reduction in mortality since July. Surely hospitals must be running out of ventilators with 70,000 cases a day in July versus 30,000 cases a day in April? They also want to say that 'not wearing the mask' is the reason for the higher case count. It's the mutation. Nobody talks about it because Covid in it's current form is essentially a bad flu. It's not even to the level of 1957's flu yet, even when you factor in the deadlier April form. 220,000 US deaths will match the 1957 flu.

Look at Sweden. Sweden's case load doubled in June while deaths decreased. They aren't bothering with masks.
 

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CDC reports up to 60 million infections over 177,000 deaths. This puts Covid at 3 times the mortality of the average flu, and certainly within range of bad flu seasons like 1957, which killed 220,000 adjusted for population.

Some people like to use stupid statistics

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Others prefer statistics that have some basis in real life

20-08-22 A1 - G8 + CHINA COVID.jpg

20-08-22 B1 - COVID vs Other Causes.jpg

20-08-22 Z6 - Current Daily Death Ratios.jpg

20-08-22 B3 - Death by Ability to Pay.jpg

At the current rate COVID-19 will likely have killed 225,000 Americans by early October. If you take that rate and extend it from 7 months to 12 months, that works out to around 385,700.

My suggestion to you is FACE REALITY, the US actually does have a serious problem and is (massively[?]) under-performing in its response to it.
 

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Those cases were also underreported. There's been antibody testing done on a small scale in NY and MA, which suggests way more infections than reported. April in the northeast US, UK and Spain were dealing with the first form of the virus.

The virus mutated (common knowledge around early July) and did two things: it was more easily spread, and became less deadly. This is why we see twice the infections with half the deaths in FL, AZ, CA and TX.

There are those who will say that 'better treatment' is the cause of such a drastic reduction in mortality since July. Surely hospitals must be running out of ventilators with 70,000 cases a day in July versus 30,000 cases a day in April? They also want to say that 'not wearing the mask' is the reason for the higher case count. It's the mutation. Nobody talks about it because Covid in it's current form is essentially a bad flu. It's not even to the level of 1957's flu yet, even when you factor in the deadlier April form. 220,000 US deaths will match the 1957 flu.

Look at Sweden. Sweden's case load doubled in June while deaths decreased. They aren't bothering with masks.

I heard all the news of hospitals being overwhelmed with cases in New York and Italy. I don't recall this happening during flu season.
 
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