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More than 160 anti-Islamist and rival protesters arrested in London

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Thanks for posting this story. I was going to make a post about it too. It's funny that the article says as follows:

About 3,000 police officers were deployed to keep a group of 500 members of the right-wing English Defence League(aka, the so-called racists), or EDL, apart from a larger group of anti-racist protesters, including Unite Against Fascism.
UAE is a fascist group: Unite Against Fascism - RationalWiki
Its joint secretaries are Weyman Bennett and Sabby Dhalu,[3] while Islamic fundamentalist Azad Ali is vice chair.[4] Unite Against Fascism also counts among its brass a number of members of a communist group, the Socialist Workers Party.
Unquestionably violent behaviour
Some of their demonstrators have been arrested for violence after attacking members of right-leaning groups, or the police
Assault on woman at Tower Hamlets
At an EDL protest in Tower Hamlets on 3 September 2011 a bus carrying 44 EDL supporters was attacked by counter-protesters.[20] A video posted to YouTube shows the bus pulling away, revealing a woman lying on the ground behind it. A group of people then approach the woman, at which point the video becomes too blurry to make out what happens.[21] It was later revealed that the woman, named Joanne Dickens, was kicked in the head while lying on the ground and sustained a broken jaw
And so on and so forth.

But the EDL isn't a good group either. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the whole affair. Calling yourself an anti-fascist and then adopting and supporting fundamentalist islam is a joke. But hey, it's the name that count, not the actions, for most people.
At least the EDL are honest about their stances and don't try and hide their anti-islamic, proto-fascist attitude.
 

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Actually, A police spokesman said about 150 counter-protesters were arrested after a group broke away and headed towards Tower Bridge where the EDL march was to end.

He said 14 others, mainly from the EDL, were arrested during the day for violent disorder, possession of knives and fireworks, and one 30-year-old man for inciting others to break the conditions set for the protest

The figures are unusually 'lopsided'. This particular march route has been marred in controversy for some time, now. Only Friday
BBC News - EDL loses Tower Hamlets march route High Court case I don't see this as going way anytime soon. It looks to have become one of those 'draw a line in the sand' type situations, where the EDL see it as their 'right' to march anywhere in the UK, as opposed to the 'rights' of a local community to not be intimidated and abused. For me, it is part of a wider issue on immigration and unfortunately the debate, because it was not addressed by mainstream politics has now been infected with what should be separate issues: 'terrorism' illegal immigration and asylum. The political discourse has made the grave mistake of submerging all three. Hence, the public have found it difficult to understand the extent of what's actually happening. As it stands, it seems we are at a loss to know, what a sensible approach looks like!


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-- UAE is a fascist group: --
To be accurate, the only accusation they are fascist in your link comes from a Pat Condell quote.

Apart from that - everyone in the article seems to be calling everyone else a fascist - they all seem to be either left-wing fascists, right-wing fascists, centre ground fascists - even moderate fascists.

The word is losing all meaning by overuse and inaccurate use.
 

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To be accurate, the only accusation they are fascist in your link comes from a Pat Condell quote.

Apart from that - everyone in the article seems to be calling everyone else a fascist - they all seem to be either left-wing fascists, right-wing fascists, centre ground fascists - even moderate fascists.

The word is losing all meaning by overuse and inaccurate use.
Fine, then they're communists.
 

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I wonder if these same people hold counter protests to the islamists.
 

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Islamism represent a viciously totalitarian belief system that is anti-humanist to the core, micromanages people's lives down to the iota and is built upon lock-step conformity. In that it closely resembles fascism, even if failing to adhere to all the fascist themes of the Europeans of the earlier 20th century.

How does one oppose such a totalitarian system without being called "racist" or "fascist" and how does one find a group that opposes Islamism on ideological grounds that does not also include many who ARE from the old-fashioned racist right?

Seems to me that Britain has a problem on its hands, especially in terms of the lack of intellectual clarity necessary to distinguish between opposition to totalitarianism and racism. The waters are so muddied that it now seems nigh on impossible to find the language necessary to oppose this totalitarian belief system at all.
 

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Islamism represent a viciously totalitarian belief system that is anti-humanist to the core, micromanages people's lives down to the iota and is built upon lock-step conformity.
So basically the American right wing social conservative ideology..

Seems to me that Britain has a problem on its hands, especially in terms of the lack of intellectual clarity necessary to distinguish between opposition to totalitarianism and racism. The waters are so muddied that it now seems nigh on impossible to find the language necessary to oppose this totalitarian belief system at all.
Oh Britain has many problems but standing up to right wing racists, both Christian and Islamic aint one of them.
 

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So basically the American right wing social conservative ideology..
Ah but don't you read the latest from America?

Our totalitarians run amok, our fascists breed in vast numbers and we're all in lockstep on our way to Mecca.
The UK is about to become a muslim state. 3% of the population has cowed the other 97% and our Queen wears a burka.
 

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Ah but don't you read the latest from America?

Our totalitarians run amok, our fascists breed in vast numbers and we're all in lockstep on our way to Mecca.
The UK is about to become a muslim state. 3% of the population has cowed the other 97% and our Queen wears a burka.
Yea I heard that.. must be true.. see you in the Mosque after we have beaten our women?
 

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Ah but don't you read the latest from America?

Our totalitarians run amok, our fascists breed in vast numbers and we're all in lockstep on our way to Mecca.
The UK is about to become a muslim state. 3% of the population has cowed the other 97% and our Queen wears a burka.
I don't know, it seemed the ADL became the main boogie man after the Lee Rigby murder. So while ideas of a social take over are rather absurd, there does seem an unwillingness to actually deal with the issue as it exists, akin to the eggshell walking that followed the street grooming scandals.
 

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I don't know, it seemed the ADL became the main boogie man after the Lee Rigby murder.
The "ADL?" The anti-defamation league?

What did they have to do with Lee Rigby? The bogeymen were islamist fanatics who were willing to attack soldiers with meat cleavers. Don't know where you get your news from..

there does seem an unwillingness to actually deal with the issue as it exists, akin to the eggshell walking that followed the street grooming scandals.
Again, not sure where you get your news from - there was quite a bit of discussion in the UK. Same with the grooming scandals which I think you're trying to suggest are a muslim on white girl thing?


Shame it ruins the narrative but paedophilia is the primary problem as evidenced by the fact Pakistani Paedophile gangs are not just targeting white girls. They are (shock horror) also targeting brown girls too.

Recent evidence suggests these paedophile muslim grooming gangs are also targeting muslim girls too - where does it leave right wing American outrage at "lockstep Britain bowing down and appeasing the muslim invader" who will rape only white wimmin and chilluns?
 

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The "ADL?" The anti-defamation league?
Sorry, I meant the EDL

What did they have to do with Lee Rigby? The bogeymen were islamist fanatics who were willing to attack soldiers with meat cleavers. Don't know where you get your news from..
Maybe you're knee jerk nationalism is making you respond in a silly manner to a simple typo?



Again, not sure where you get your news from - there was quite a bit of discussion in the UK. Same with the grooming scandals which I think you're trying to suggest are a muslim on white girl thing?
Dude, I'm not watching a 29 minute video. But a few questions, 1) how prolifically is the Sikh community targeted? 2) How would that address the issue of Islamic gangs targeting non-Muslims? 3) How would it address the accusations from the prosecutor that the investigation was soft balled due to fears of perceived bigotry? 4) How would it address the accusation that these gangs are predominately Islamic due to the cultural and religious views of women within their community?





Shame it ruins the narrative but paedophilia is the primary problem as evidenced by the fact Pakistani Paedophile gangs are not just targeting white girls. They are (shock horror) also targeting brown girls too.
Sihks still represent an outside group to muslims and there are clear long standing tensions between the communities in South Asia. So it really doesn't do much to address the accusation that these gangs are acting on ideas that are xenophobic in nature


Recent evidence suggests these paedophile muslim grooming gangs are also targeting muslim girls too - where does it leave right wing American outrage at "lockstep Britain bowing down and appeasing the muslim invader" who will rape only white wimmin and chilluns?
1)That's a rather strange standard to try and deny that any of these crimes are xenophobic in nature. I mean, it's like me identifying a sub-set of murder, say drunken brawls, and using the fact that drunken brawls happen absent racial motivation, that all drunken brawls happen absent racial motivation.

2) In percentage breakdowns of the ethnic and religious backgrounds of the victims it heavily leaned towards caucasions well beyond their representation in the general public

3) I'm not sure what the issue has to do with the american right-wing, being that accusations of soft balling were even leveled by one of the prosecutors, who was a SA immigrant with an islamic cultural background.

4) "The analysis collected 35 cases of abuse over five months, and had to speak to those who knew the victims and may have helped them, as victims were reluctant to speak of the abuse personally."

Yeah, 35 cases hardly establishes that they represent the majority of victims. It would also be interesting to see what standards of evidence they are using to validate these reports (because we would be comparing them to actual convictions)
 

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Sorry, I meant the EDL



Maybe you're knee jerk nationalism is making you respond in a silly manner to a simple typo?
In actual fact, you made a wrongful assertion about the EDL being the "bogeymen" but maybe it's better to attack me for nationalism instead because you have nothing to respond to in proper debate.

By the way, you can search my record on the EDL. I have not condemned them ever on this forum, to me they represent (sometimes) a legitimate concern around integration in this country.

-- Dude, I'm not watching a 29 minute video.
That about sums it up. You'd rather repeat American accusations grounded only in the facts provided by one-sided reportage from dodgy websites than watch an investigative video with witnesses and facts.

LOL

But a few questions--
Watch the f****n video. Read the f****n links. These gangs are paedophile gangs first and foremost. You may prefer a narrative that they are racist, on some kind of mission etc but they are paedophiles and should be treated as such.
 

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In actual fact, you made a wrongful assertion about the EDL being the "bogeymen" but maybe it's better to attack me for nationalism instead because you have nothing to respond to in proper debate.
1) No, I fully stand by that assertion, and recall "higgens" making similar coments at the time

2) I did respond. My response was that it's silly to make a bunch of hay over an obvious typo


By the way, you can search my record on the EDL. I have not condemned them ever on this forum, to me they represent (sometimes) a legitimate concern around integration in this country.
I don't like the EDL either. But what does that have to do with anything I posted here? My issue was the EDL becoming the boogeyman after islamic extremists just decapitated some random guy in the streets and that people were trying to equivocate that with some ****s tossing sausages at people


That about sums it up.
Indeed it does, because asking to watch a 29 minute video is rather unreasonable, when you can offer more specific citations.


You'd rather repeat American accusations grounded only in the facts provided by one-sided reportage from dodgy websites than watch an investigative video with witnesses and facts.
1)What is with your need to turn every discussion into some pointless, nationalist pissing match?

2) I get my news from outlets like Al-jazeera and the BBC

3) Again, I have no obligation to watch a 29 minute video when you can easily offer something more concise


Watch the f****n video. Read the f****n links. These gangs are paedophile gangs first and foremost. You may prefer a narrative that they are racist, on some kind of mission etc but they are paedophiles and should be treated as such.
lol, why not just offer something more concise or address the questions
 

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-- Again, I have no obligation to watch a 29 minute video when you can easily offer something more concise. --
Nuff said. Rumour and speculation over facts and proper investigation every time with you guys.

Thread over, goodbye.
 

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Ah but don't you read the latest from America?

Our totalitarians run amok, our fascists breed in vast numbers and we're all in lockstep on our way to Mecca.
The UK is about to become a muslim state. 3% of the population has cowed the other 97% and our Queen wears a burka.
Our Queen wears a burka?

You're living in cloud-cuckoo land. Britain is in no way about to become a muslim state. It's increasingly secular, which means less Christian, which I think you are mistaking for Islamisation.
 

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Our Queen wears a burka?

You're living in cloud-cuckoo land. Britain is in no way about to become a muslim state. It's increasingly secular, which means less Christian, which I think you are mistaking for Islamisation.
Christians as well as atheists are adopting and supporting secularism. Many muslims very much want an islamization of Britain.
 

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1) No, I fully stand by that assertion, and recall "higgens" making similar coments at the time

2) I did respond. My response was that it's silly to make a bunch of hay over an obvious typo




I don't like the EDL either. But what does that have to do with anything I posted here? My issue was the EDL becoming the boogeyman after islamic extremists just decapitated some random guy in the streets and that people were trying to equivocate that with some ****s tossing sausages at people




Indeed it does, because asking to watch a 29 minute video is rather unreasonable, when you can offer more specific citations.




1)What is with your need to turn every discussion into some pointless, nationalist pissing match?

2) I get my news from outlets like Al-jazeera and the BBC

3) Again, I have no obligation to watch a 29 minute video when you can easily offer something more concise




lol, why not just offer something more concise or address the questions
You have been making two very egregious mistakes here, Dr. C. Your first, and the one most fatal is that you are an American. You are therefore enemy, so please work on that before you post again mkay.

Your second mistake is that you have dared to criticize cultural practices and the indifferent attitudes towards these, which makes you a racist in the eyes of the hive mind. There is nothing worse in the world than a racist, and so anything that even attempts to indicate that all people should be held to the same standard needs to be destroyed. There is one standard for us evil white westerners and another standard for the brave people of color who struggle against the yoke of our oppression, and it is vitally important that these double standards be maintained so none of our little mates call us a racist. If they did that, we'd be kicked out of the hive, so we absolutely cannot have that.

Down is now up, ignorance is now strength and we are required to look the other way when some people do things because that is just as much their way as making excuses for it is ours.
 

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Our Queen wears a burka?

You're living in cloud-cuckoo land. Britain is in no way about to become a muslim state. It's increasingly secular, which means less Christian, which I think you are mistaking for Islamisation.
It was sarcasm, you'll learn on these forums that certain Americans living 1000s of miles away have a far better understanding of every minute aspect of life here in the UK. (more sarcasm) They have stopped telling us that muslims will be the population majority by 2020 but there's lots of idiocy still apparent.

Question their "facts" and you are part of the "hive mind" - "marching in lockstep" - "left wing anti-liberals" etc etc ad nauseum.

Anyhow, whatever your political lean or whatever your personal history and knowledge of daily life in the UK - prepare to be told you don't know what life here is really like or at the very least, be called brainwashed (probably by the millions of mooslims about to take over our little island)
 

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They have stopped telling us that muslims will be the population majority by 2020 but there's lots of idiocy still apparent.

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Which posters would these be, eh?
 

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Which posters would these be, eh?
I joined in 2007 and have seen you thank many of those such posters in all this time. Check your own thanks or likes history.
 

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I joined in 2007 and have seen you thank many of those such posters in all this time. Check your own thanks or likes history.
Find it and post it, then.


It should be easy for you if you aren't simply making something up.
 

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Nuff said. Rumour and speculation over facts and proper investigation every time with you guys.

Thread over, goodbye.
Are you saying a 29 minute video is the only source for fact here?
 
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